Downtime Undersea sub-cables have just broken..., Is the internet going down?
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 Dec 22 2008, 09:24 PM
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Elite
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QUOTE(MX510 @ Dec 22 2008, 07:44 PM) Intresting Document Of particular interest is how cheap it is. Based on data charges in this part of the world, I expected the cable transit fee to be a lot higher.This is a document reveal the pricing of the cable annually tm.nut paid them yearly  US$765,000 per year for 155mbps from Singapore to France for dedicated capacity. RM1400 per megabit per month. |
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Dec 23 2008, 02:13 AM
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QUOTE(aleluya @ Dec 23 2008, 01:26 AM) I heard it's Somalia pirates that stole the international cable.. well that's what I heard though, not sure where's the source comes from Seems pretty unlikely; what would they want with it? The commodity value is low, and it's not exactly something you can sell on eBay. |
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Dec 27 2008, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(billytong @ Dec 27 2008, 12:21 PM) Tell me why would a US line lag so much when the cable problem is from Europe. It makes no sense at all Unless Tmnut reroute. Cable broken = no direct connection to Europe.Traffic from Malaysia to Europe therefore goes east on the US lines. This makes the US lines more congested. |
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Dec 31 2008, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(billytong @ Dec 31 2008, 04:51 PM) They should put some shields or something to cover the wires. Even a 3yrs old kid would know the problem. The tension on the cables is incredible, I don't think you have really thought about the strength of the forces involved here.At some point, the additional cost required to make them withstand exceptional forces far exceeds the cost of occasional repairs (including lost productivity due to disconnection). |
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Dec 31 2008, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 31 2008, 07:48 PM) If I'm not mistaken the whole internet network is maintained by a non profit organization, so give them a break You are mistaken. The internet is a collection of separate networks, some for-profit, some governmental, some non-profit, which all connect to each other voluntarily. There is no central authority. There is a non-profit organisation that manages the standards which allow them all to communicate, but to say the IETF "maintains" the internet would be quite a stretch. |
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Jan 1 2009, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Jan 1 2009, 04:12 PM) The US has 54 states, I heard that every state have 1 ISP. US has 50 states and thousands of ISPs.That means US have more then 54 major ISP's! WTF MALAYSIA!! But only a handful of really large ones (Verizon, Comcast, etc.). Unlike Malaysia, anyone in the US can start an ISP any time they want. No licensing requirement or anything, and there's an open market for bandwidth. So there's a lot more competition. |
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Jan 1 2009, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(DeanKueh @ Jan 1 2009, 03:20 PM) Singapore's currency is larger though. Irrelevant.Leaving aside national backhaul costs, which were already paid for by Malaysian taxpayers anyway, the international bandwidth question is a matter of real costs per subscriber. In Malaysia a TM subscriber pays US$22/month (RM77) for 1 megabit service. In Singapore a Singtel subscriber pays US$16/month (S$23) for 1 megabit service. Singaporean customers are paying less and getting more. |
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Jan 3 2009, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(billytong @ Jan 3 2009, 12:04 PM) I am that serious, I dont mind paying RM200 per month for 512Kbps if the ping time is <70ms 24/7 365 days to US/Europe. You could not get that for any amount of money unless you put an engine on Malaysia and sailed it across the ocean. Speed of light is getting in your way. |
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Jan 3 2009, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(cphiliptan @ Jan 3 2009, 02:56 PM) Hmm... can someone explain why is the connection much faster (international and local) after I have connected to a VPN located in Singapore? Singaporean ISP has better internal network and better onward links? |
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Jan 5 2009, 05:51 AM
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QUOTE(batuapi @ Jan 5 2009, 04:29 AM) Then explain why my connection to gamespot.com takes forever? Bad luck?CODE % ping -c 5 www.gamespot.com PING c17-gs-ww-lb.cnet.com (216.239.113.172): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 216.239.113.172: icmp_seq=0 ttl=237 time=212.361 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.113.172: icmp_seq=1 ttl=237 time=211.605 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.113.172: icmp_seq=2 ttl=237 time=212.133 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.113.172: icmp_seq=3 ttl=237 time=210.950 ms 64 bytes from 216.239.113.172: icmp_seq=4 ttl=237 time=210.948 ms --- c17-gs-ww-lb.cnet.com ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 210.948/211.599/212.361/0.585 ms 60.52... |
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Jan 5 2009, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Jan 5 2009, 07:09 PM) Did a reverse route trace and found that US to Malaysia still very poor... Naw, it's fine. As always, TM has links of wildly varying quality, so your experience depends a lot on which way you go. Here's a traceroute to my current Streamyx IP from USA; it's pretty as a peach: CODE 5 ae-4-99.edge1.NewYork2.Level3.net (4.68.16.203) 1 ms 0 ms 0 ms 6 if-6-1.icore1.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net (216.6.97.21) 0 ms 1 ms 1 ms 7 if-0-0-0-14.core1.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net (216.6.82.1) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 8 if-6-0-0-728.mcore3.NJY-Newark.as6453.net (216.6.82.74) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 9 if-4-0.mcore3.LAA-LosAngeles.as6453.net (216.6.84.1) 85 ms 86 ms 88 ms 10 ix-13-0-0.mcore3.LAA-LosAngeles.as6453.net (216.6.84.50) 278 ms 278 ms 278 ms 11 219.93.174.70 (219.93.174.70) 280 ms 278 ms 278 ms 12 58.27.124.49 (58.27.124.49) 278 ms 278 ms 280 ms 13 58.27.103.113 (58.27.103.113) 278 ms 282 ms 280 ms 14 58.27.103.17 (58.27.103.17) 279 ms 279 ms 280 ms 15 58.27.103.46 (58.27.103.46) 283 ms 280 ms 280 ms 16 219.93.216.222 (219.93.216.222) 282 ms 282 ms 282 ms 17 52.60.in-addr.arpa.tm.net.my (60.52.72._) 294 ms 293 ms 292 ms |
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Jan 5 2009, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(ataris @ Jan 5 2009, 07:42 PM) guys, can please post your ip if your connection is blazing fast again. 60.52.- Youtube plays quickly - Not seeing much packet loss - <300ms pings to USA I haven't been downloading anything large, just email/ssh/web/voip but all that is working. |
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Jan 6 2009, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE(Agent001 @ Jan 5 2009, 11:44 PM) what on earth is TM net doing? In general, it's hard to understand. They seem to run like it's a hobby project or something.This is totally ridiculous crap that we have to endure with. Normally large ISPs respond to problems in minutes; with TM it takes days. |
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Jan 6 2009, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE(billytong @ Jan 6 2009, 06:20 PM) for some odd reason my tracert is not working. it start timeout entirely @ 3rd hoop. something is blocking me from tracert or what? Streamyx, right?Anyone can do a tracert on this IP 64.210.208.33 CODE traceroute to 64.210.208.33 (64.210.208.33), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 10.20.30.1 (10.20.30.1) 0.575 ms 0.583 ms 0.570 ms 2 219.93.218.177 (219.93.218.177) 16.376 ms 13.881 ms 14.043 ms 3 219.93.216.213 (219.93.216.213) 14.637 ms 14.108 ms 14.079 ms 4 58.27.103.106 (58.27.103.106) 15.075 ms 14.665 ms 14.477 ms 5 202.188.224.114 (202.188.224.114) 14.185 ms 219.93.174.147 (219.93.174.147) 22.062 ms 216.836 ms 6 219.93.151.227 (219.93.151.227) 15.004 ms 14.276 ms 14.684 ms 7 if-7-3.mcore4.laa-losangeles.as6453.net (216.6.85.37) 237.968 ms 237.558 ms 237.468 ms 8 * * * 9 cr1-pos-0-0-0-0.newyork.savvis.net (204.70.192.102) 568.302 ms 570.176 ms 573.004 ms 10 204.70.197.5 (204.70.197.5) 308.711 ms 307.637 ms 308.222 ms 11 hr1-vlan-240.weehawkennj2.savvis.net (204.70.197.14) 307.850 ms 307.778 ms 306.909 ms 12 64.14.60.60 (64.14.60.60) 567.129 ms * 569.346 ms 13 64.14.38.246 (64.14.38.246) 570.855 ms * 569.078 ms 14 * * * 15 * * * |
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Jan 7 2009, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(mylinear @ Jan 7 2009, 10:22 PM) pauzai and mancy, are you getting pings of 500-600ms to facebook? Please post ping results. Sucky.CODE % ping www.facebook.com PING www.facebook.com (69.63.180.12): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 69.63.180.12: icmp_seq=3 ttl=237 time=623.339 ms 64 bytes from 69.63.180.12: icmp_seq=5 ttl=237 time=621.310 ms 64 bytes from 69.63.180.12: icmp_seq=6 ttl=237 time=623.571 ms 64 bytes from 69.63.180.12: icmp_seq=7 ttl=237 time=621.797 ms 64 bytes from 69.63.180.12: icmp_seq=9 ttl=237 time=625.607 ms ^C --- www.facebook.com ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 50% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 621.310/623.125/625.607/1.514 ms For the past few days with Streamyx, some destinations like Facebook have been great one hour, horrible the next. It's always the same ones coming and going. Other destinations have been consistently great. |
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Jan 8 2009, 06:56 AM
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QUOTE(corad @ Jan 8 2009, 06:15 AM) just curious as to why i can still surf back to m'sia normally when the international link is "congested". I always thought that it worked both ways. we cannot surf them, they cannot surf us because of traffic jam There are many ways to get from point A to point B. TM is less competent than any other ISP, so under marginal or challenging conditions they will mess things up worse than the others. |
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Jan 8 2009, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE(chan01 @ Jan 8 2009, 09:57 PM) CODE Pinging yahoo.com [68.180.206.184] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 68.180.206.184: bytes=32 time=309ms TTL=55 Reply from 68.180.206.184: bytes=32 time=304ms TTL=55 Reply from 68.180.206.184: bytes=32 time=309ms TTL=55 Reply from 68.180.206.184: bytes=32 time=309ms TTL=55 Ping statistics for 68.180.206.184: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 304ms, Maximum = 309ms, Average = 307ms anyone know what TTL is? If my TTL is more than 52 in yahoo mean im lagging.. i need TTL to get to 52 or below ..Cant play any game on us server too.. and the connection still not fix yet..Still dam slow loading international site... It might have used the TTL of your packet, or it might have set its own, which could really be anything. Then that number will be reduced by the number of hops before it is displayed on your screen. In the case of yahoo.com it happens to start with 64. If you don't understand this then I recommend not worrying about it, it's probably not relevant to your concerns. This ping is a lot better than yours and the TTL on the return packet is only lower by two: CODE % ping -c 3 68.180.206.184 PING 68.180.206.184 (68.180.206.184) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 68.180.206.184: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=4.74 ms 64 bytes from 68.180.206.184: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=4.80 ms 64 bytes from 68.180.206.184: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=4.76 ms |
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Jan 9 2009, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(Loreburner @ Jan 9 2009, 02:50 PM) I still have problems connecting to some US sites. They are so horribly slow. Screamyx Tech Support told me that it's the sites' server problem. I don't buy it at all. No, it's another flat-out lie from TM tech support. The same sites that are unusable via Streamyx are perfectly fast via VPN. |
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