erm city using DBW as opposed to vios which is cable

yes my dear boy,

thats as far as i know, u can always prove me wrong with a spec sheet and i will gladly admit i am wrong..
after all, i dun give a nuts crap of what vios has


if u cant come up with the sheet

prepare to go on holiday for spamming

wow a dealer site and u can use that as credible source, i expected better actually


who dont know how and when drive by wire is invented?


and sorry, no car or even vehicle that i know of has petal..
so can u kindly let me know how do i check for petal ?

hi.. can anyone confirm that the car has a spare tyre? if has, what is the size of the spare tyre? I forgot to check this when went to test drive.
thanks

if a dealer site is used to backup your claims/research...
i pretty much doubt the "research" that you are doing..


research means going through technical specs/data that is directly linked to a manufacturer....
not a dealer whose main objective is to SELL SELL SELL with what so ever means

Nope only IDSI using SOHC...VTEC using DOHC..

THATs y IDSI feel like 1000cc car..

ANyway,its a nice car,not as powerful as i expected..Jazz 1.5 more powerfull..yaya,lighter body and all..but the power for the new CITY now is between IDSI and VTEC...

Test drove it 2 times and felt the same thing at two different showrooms.

haha is it?
i just wanna share out who is wishing to book this beauty, if the SA doesn't give discount and give a lot of excuses, just change to other. i guess there are a lot of SA are giving minimum RM500 discount for customer 

wat a disappointment, it doesnt come with a flat floor for the rear passenger...

To anyone who still haven't make up your mind, pls make up your mind ASAP as the queue is increasing, the later you order, the later you get your car. It has been delayed till April/May now. Might be delay till Q3 2009. 

How does the Fuel Efficiency Meter works?

any city OTR yet? who will be the first here getting his/her new "babe"?

that day saw plate already start with WSC in KL.... if city comes out should be WSD or WSE already rite?

Modern SOHC Honda engine is proven better than old technology Toyota DOHC.
Accord R20A SOHC engine produce nearly 10ps output higher than Toyota DOHC engine (148ps). Even though the new accord is havier than Camry, the 0-100 time is faster than Camry. This clearly shows that Honda SOHC engine is better than Camry DOHC engine.

Honda replaces its K20A DOHC 2003 Accord engine with newly developed R20A SOHC engine on Accord 2008. This new R20A engine has a lot of advantages over the old K20A engine. Some of the advantages of the R20A engine is:
1. Light weight
2. Higher output (156ps compared with 150ps on K20A)
3. Higher torque (189nm compared with 186nm on K20A)
4. Smaller in dimension
5. More efficient (less mechanical frictions loss due to less camshaft)
6. Variable length intake manifold to spread torque over the entire RPM range, 
7. Integrated exhaust manifold to reduced space.
8. New i-VTEC technology that control the amount of fuel by controling the valve
     opening and closing timing instead of using trottle valve in a conventional
     engine. This will reduce pumping loses which will make the engine more
     efficient.
9. Coated cylinder block to futher reduce friction loses.
10. Oil jet to cool piston which enabled the engine to run on higher compression
      ratio (higher output without need to use higher octane number fuel).
11. Additional air flow sensor on both intake and exhaust to precisely control the
      exhaust emmision for a more environmental friendly engine.
12. And many more....

Conclusion:
Honda main target is to constantly improving their product to satisfy their customer and environment. Not like Toyota, they still use the old technology engine so that they can cut cost and offer cheap cosmetic items to their customer just to attract old minded and old tech customer  as long as they can sell their product. (eg: Avanza and Inova still use cheap non-independant rear suspension (axle type same as lorry and old van), Camry still use cheap macpherson type front suspension, WISH still use rear non-independant beam suspension same as old Iswara. Vios, Altis, Avanza, Inova, Wish and Camry still use 4 speed auto transmission, all Hondas are already use 5 speed.  All this Toyota tricks are not well known to their old minded and old tech customer    in malaysia.

Think again..... 

For your info, Dual VVTI is just an additional unit of VVTI system installed on the other set of camshaft for DOHC engine (mean that both camshafts (intake and exhaust) has variable valve and timing) . There is nothing special about that. (Another tricks from Toyota) . It is not a new technology at all. The dual VVTI system is not installed on a low to middle price car to cut cost. If you are not sure about the system go and ask people who know well about it. Dont just listen to the Toyota salesman.

Do you know what is ECT?. ECT stands for Electronic Control Transmission. Nowdays every car in the world use ECT or Electronic Control Transmission except for a very cheap car like Kancil (still use mechanical / hydraulic control). Even old proton Waja already use ECT for their gearbox. (Another trick from Toyota) . My previous Accord (1987 model) already use ECT gearbox. Electronic control transmission (AKA ECT) is actualy a mechanical gearbox which is electronically controlled by ECU. By using this type of gearbox, engineer can easily program the gearbox operations by simply program the ECU according to the car and engine behaviour.
Again there is nothing special about ECT or Super ECT by Toyota, the only different is how the engineer programmed it. If you dont know or not sure, please ask the people who knows about it.

Think again.......
Happy new year!!!!!

apparently the ivtec in the city is a new engine different from the ivtec found in accord and civic, similar concept and i believe it is not just something recycled from accord/civic engine which is not the way honda does things. see the engine structure and layout also can tell the diff. thus the first 1.5cc to produced highest horsepower of 120ps, even beats the 1.6 VVTI of 117ps (china vios). besides, 5 gears can have better fuel efficiency, like that also got ppl complain? i dont know about u, but i prefer to buy a car that can perform good in both city and highway driving. 88k price tag is not good enough if its just for city driving

China Vios

You are just postingfor the sake of increasing post count? Your post is totally nonsense. Who would prefer a 4speeder when u can gert a 5speeder? There are ppl who travel alot on highway

So you agree with my point - They sell cars that the masses want and that's their strategy. I agree with you that Honda offers the best in technology for the money you pay, but as you have said - it's all about compromises, if they are doing this then somewhere along the line, something will have to give way and most of the time, it's comfort and it's NVH - otherwise, consumers just end up paying a higher price tag to compensate or they take a hit in their profit margins. What you pay is what you get.

I also agree with you, the number of cars sold each year isn't an indicator on whether the company is a good car maker but you also need to think about the kind of crowd those company that you've mentioned are after. But both Honda and Toyota makes cars for the masses (Granted Toyota has a wider range available in Malaysia) but being number 1 in the Thailand, Singapore, Malaysian and Indonesian market must mean 1.) they have what people want 2.) their products are quality enough for people to come back 3.) their business strategy is working for them.

We can also compare Honda's offering against Mazda or Mitsubishi - The Lancer GT is more value for money as compared to the Civic/Corolla and the Mazda 6 is superior in almost every way compared to the latest Accord/Camry. Going by your line of reasoning, that must mean they are more worth buying over the H&T brand right?
These are facts as well to consider.