Any Paneristi on this forum?

Here's my beauty.

Panerai Luminor Daylight Chrono (PAM 00250)




Just sent it in for servicing - turnaround is 12 weeks!

~RM 26k

r3kahsttub!!!

i am impressed you recognized my UNDFTD's!! You must have very good taste in shoes!

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Added on March 20, 2010, 8:09 pmpatryn33 - i can tell by your posts that you know watches very well.

you are correct, these's PAM's were selling for less than half price until Stallone made them popular.

the model has gone under several revisions over the last four years - actually there was a PAM 00196, which was replaced by the PAM 00250. Nearly identical with a few differences.

My model was made in 2008, and I just recently sent it to service (still under warranty). Without warranty, minimum service costs about RM 2000.

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Added on March 20, 2010, 8:26 pmhehe Jason - I think he was just trying to find a way to complement.

I chose the watch because of its history, presence, and also because it's not too "mainstream" but not too exclusive where most people do not know what it is. Also, fellow Paneristi are a bit different from other watch guys. It's quite common to see some with a box full of a dozen or more Panerai. They'll own a few IWC, AP and other marque's, but seriously, a box full of Panerai's.

As far as a timepiece, there are watches that are 1/10 the price (Hamilton) that use the same exact ETA Valjoux movement. In fact you have to spend RM 100k to get a true Panerai movement.

For me a watch is a symbol of status. Women wear handbags, jewelry and shoes. Men only have watches...and perhaps pens ( I collect pen's as well ). Sometimes at my age, it requires something substantial, like an expensive watch, to gain credibility from people twice my age, that I have to do business with.







This post has been edited by CHiNO730: Mar 20 2010, 08:26 PM

Tag, Seiko, Rolex - all mass producers with millions of watches a year and stores everywhere. I do not think your statement is accurate. Even amongst the many that I hang out with who have the means to afford nice luxury goods are well aware of brand like Tag, Rolex, Omega and Cartier but have never seen or heard of a Panerai. I wouldn't judge them as misinformed, but Panerai simply does not spend the marketing dollars that some of these other brands put in. This becomes especially clear when owning a Panerai - there are many that are impressed by the size and design but have never heard of the brand. I doubt this would be the case when wearing a Seiko (I have owned quite a few) or a Tag. I am not saying that it is not well known, but a kid who knows of a Tag?

don8ld,

The "BR Instrument" comes in a nice 39mm with exotic materials like Ceramic or Gold, and the slightly larger 42mm has most of the combinations of colours available in the other sizes.
I have small wrists and tried the 42mm and it's perfect. I do not own one, but it's one that I have been "looking out for." Stunning looks, excellent quality, and reasonable price without having to stick with the mainstream brands.
I believe the chrono model also uses the renowned ETA Valjoux movement,

You have a good selection if you choose the other models as well.

Thanks for the clarification. I understand.

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Added on March 24, 2010, 1:08 amI think those BR Instruments look pretty substantial and don't have any plastic looking qualities? Even the PVD models look like rugged metal? Perhaps maybe the black ceramic - I can see how those might look like plastic.
Maybe I am just biased towards the watch because I like it. =) Heheh, it happens.

BTW, Franck Mueller Long Island - love it! Very expensive though. =/ Relatively new to the watch world without as much history, but still a nice looking watch that is quite popular among aficianados. Agree with you though, 60% off is a really good deal...almost too good. =)



This post has been edited by CHiNO730: Mar 24 2010, 01:08 AM

Wearing my Maurice LaCroix Calendrier Retrograde today. Took this shot using a D40 with a softbox on the right if anyone cares about the photography involved.

I miss my Panerai, but it's good to mix things up a little.

Beautiful details from a not so mainstream watchmaker at a good price. Blued steel hands and arabic numerals, genuine silver face details, and a pretty cool retrograde, power reserve and seconds complication. Also has standard AR coating, and an exhibition back.

I accidently dropped this watch in '08 on the same teak hardwood floor photographed and busted the movement. All this marketing about the Incabloc Shock Protection blah blah, but it couldn't withstand the acceleration of 9.8m/sec2 from torso height. A month in the shop and RM ~1000 to fix. =/

Uses a heavily modified Unitas 6498-1 base movement which Maurice LaCroix calls the ML76 calibre. Very audible tick-tick-tick from the escapement. About 39mm face. I switched the black leather strap with a brown crocodile strap - looks really appropriate with the white face.


Here are some watches I am considering:

Bell & Ross BR03-51 GMT - love the carbon fiber and titanium case. Tried on a similar sized BR03 two years ago and fell in love.
IWC Portuguese Chronograph - classic and timeless design, great brand reputation and easy to find watch and at a reasonable price.
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean - with the orange bezel and orange strap, looks sporty, a bit loud, but beautiful. Tried it on at least three times and various retailers and almost took it home each time. Love the hands. Comes in two sizes, but the larger 46mm is "monstrous" and looks ridiculous on me. Smaller one (I think 42mm?) is perfect. Excellent build quality, reliability and for the price, IMO better looking than any Rolex (except maybe the Daytona Chrono). =)

Curious - what would LYN choose if from this list above (not saying you will agree with my choices, but if you had to choose =)
I would have posted pictures, but did not want to detract from the original meaning of the post which was to share my ML.

Of course I'd like to load the list up with my long time favourites like the Hublot Big Bang, or AP Royal Oak Offshore, but I can't justify the expense given this economy.

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Added on April 1, 2010, 6:42 pmpatryn33, You know your prices and movements very well.

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Added on April 1, 2010, 6:43 pmYes, agree - all of these watches are very different and speak to me in different ways, but I enjoy them all the same.

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Added on April 1, 2010, 6:44 pmThanks for all the feedback. Looks like you guys prefer Omega. But like Jason said, it's rather common and also agree that the B&R watch is a "fashion" type watch, but apparently these kinds of watches are getting a lot of attention in the watch connoisseurs world (Cartier, Hublot, Franck Mueller). In fact, a lot of watches are just cases assembled with modified ETA movements - difficult to find one that isn't, even from the so called watch makers, you need to spend 5x the base model price to get an in-house movement.

Isn't the Omega Co-Axial an ETA movement manufactured by it's parent company?






This post has been edited by CHiNO730: Apr 1 2010, 06:53 PM

Depending on the model, I'd say 30%+ is reasonable.

The list for my model was RM 18k, but I was able to get it for around RM 12k, so that's 33%

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Added on April 2, 2010, 6:05 pmFunny thing about Nomos is, up until recently they were using ETA movements as well, and the reverse is true for BR, who used German movements produced by Sinn before moving exclusively to ETA. I actually did not know until recently that Nomos transitioned to in-house movements and are getting quite good at it. I think they are a brand to keep an eye on and will gain more attention as time goes on.


I had a Seiko watch that also used an in-house movement. Fraction of the price of the Nomos. Perhaps you cannot compare the two, but that is the beautiful nature of watches. That is why there will be people for all markets, including someone like myself who is comfortable buying a "fashion" watch.

My Seiko 7S35 Automatic - was stolen when I arrived in Malaysia. For less than RM 700 - this is one of the best watches I've owned.




This post has been edited by CHiNO730: Apr 2 2010, 06:13 PM

Seiko SNM007K1

I bought it from roachman.com and flew into Penang to pick it up (not just for watch of course =)

not a big fan on Tag, although I know it's very popular here - but this one looks beautiful.
actually, owning a Tag was my dream back in college - it was my brand of choice, but I never got around to owning one.

patryn33 - sure you can find these IWC pilot and portofino watches for under RM 10k from an authorized dealer?