ok..thanks...now i got one silly question...
what actually is grey market in watch business? how is it different from AD?

good to know you own one as well...How is the quality of JR? read in forum elsewhere that all their parts are genuinely swiss...

This post has been edited by nando: Feb 21 2010, 09:52 PM

Cost me a meal treat for him Getat refunded me 15% of the cost of the watch.

any nice watch to recommend? budget around rm500 only, since i'm just a student..

hope for leather stripe and sapphire crystal glass(to prevent scratch?)

AD = authorize dealer. In their contract, they are required to buy X amount of watches from these brands and can only give limited controlled discount.

gray market dealers, they obtain watches thru AD. In this bad Econ, AD may go under and need to liquidate. There is no way to sell in such a short time, they will let go their items at a low price to these dealers without warranty. in other case, AD are carrying too much stock or need cash flow or some other reason. They also let it go cheap to these dealers.

I did tell U the quality of JR! u missed that in my post? JR is a sister company of the GREAT Girard-Perregaux.
guess U aren't familiar with Girard-Perregaux. Girard-Perregaux is up there with JLC/Patek/VC.. they make their own movements.

to quality swiss made at least 51% of the parts must be made in Switzerland, assembled in swiss and regulated and case in swiss. JR 1000 may have a higher percentage since they have access to Sowind group manufacturing facilities. rest assured u are not getting a watch with quality that is avg.

read all about "The man behind the brand Daniel jeanRichard"
http://www.watchtime.com/2010/01/the-man-b...el-jeanrichard/

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Added on February 22, 2010, 4:55 amrm500 cannot find sapphire crystal. only mineral crystal at least harder than glass or plastic.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 22 2010, 09:33 AM

[quote=patryn33,Feb 22 2010, 04:40 AM]
AD = authorize dealer. In their contract, they are required to buy X amount of watches from these brands and can only give limited controlled discount.

gray market dealers, they obtain watches thru AD. In this bad Econ, AD may go under and need to liquidate. There is no way to sell in such a short time, they will let go their items at a low price to these dealers without warranty. in other case, AD are carrying too much stock or need cash flow or some other reason. They also let it go cheap to these dealers.

I did tell U the quality of JR! u missed that in my post? JR is a sister company of the GREAT Girard-Perregaux.
guess U aren't familiar with Girard-Perregaux. Girard-Perregaux is up there with JLC/Patek/VC.. they make their own movements.

to quality swiss made at least 51% of the parts must be made in Switzerland, assembled in swiss and regulated and case in swiss. JR 1000 may have a higher percentage since they have access to Sowind group manufacturing facilities. rest assured u are not getting a watch with quality that is avg.

read all about "The man behind the brand Daniel jeanRichard"
http://www.watchtime.com/2010/01/the-man-b...el-jeanrichard/


thanks for the explanation..yes, i am aware of JR's connection with GP and their infamous JR1000 movement...

what i meant by quality was daily usage... toughness, etc, ...since you owned one, i was thinking of you sharing day to day user experience.., not so much on background of manufacturing..from your posts looks like your giving it a thumbs up...anyway, appreciate your insights

This post has been edited by nando: Feb 22 2010, 10:50 AM

I have a GP that I wish to sell, i wonder where can i advertise it? not here cause the price is on the high side

This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Feb 22 2010, 10:55 AM

I see... its a dress what.. day to day wear no issue reported from my sibling. since it limited office/shopping/bus/train rides
if u intend to go swim with the crocodile, wrestle a bear, climb Mt Everest, or go Army training with it.. for a dress watch its not tough at that level. otherwise daily usage no worries..

as for infamous (having a reputation of the worst kind ) I am not aware of it care to share? since its infamous don't get it...

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Added on February 22, 2010, 11:00 amtry watchuseek.com or watchnet.com

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 22 2010, 11:00 AM

sorry, i meant famous (not in famous)

i might not be as knowledgeable in watches as you but i think i am aware that the JR Bressel is not for swimming with crocodiles or dodging bullets in a war with Talibans. thanks anyway for the insight that its a reliable dress watch.

This post has been edited by nando: Feb 22 2010, 12:54 PM

This one arrived today!

Do you watch sifus out there have a clue as to what kind of movement they are using for this watch?




Love the bluish effect on certain angles on the domed dial glass

anyone know what movement is this?? gotta good feeling its china made!



and Nando, yea, now my aviator is getting even lonelier! hahaha...

Congrat of your new haul
This is a Big Pilot homage
https://www.iwc.com/collection/collection_d...sp?l=en&mid=401
The movement should be a Chinese automatic if am not wrong. Is the power reserve indicator work?
What's the size of the dial?

looks good!!

...pity your Ball....lonelier now....hahaha

wah...7 days power reserve indicator some more...so, does it work?

haha


This post has been edited by nando: Feb 22 2010, 08:20 PM

hehehe....
an old 6497 or regular work horse 2824 are just reliable.
its very hard to find a unreliable swiss movement as long as no manufacture defects.
even a omega can go wrong if not handle well... just found someone reporting that his new omega is running 10mins faster in just 1-2 days of running. even an expensive JLC etc do have lemons at times. once its done right, no worries.

thanks mate!..only thing i need to watch out for is if there's a problem in years to come...watches like this may cost a bomb to repair...

anyway, i saw in JR website there is a JR office in KL...so should be okay....

anyway, here are the 4 models on sale....any comments from all the watch lovers here on the dial design...? all same movement and same specs (i think)...only dial design different...

BTW..pics taken from the gray dealer website..hope its okay...(i am kind of doing free promo for him right? (hehehe)

This post has been edited by nando: Feb 22 2010, 08:30 PM


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regular cleaning/oiling can be done outside cheaper.
do email collectortime, most gray dealers warranty card are unstamp. they may get an AD to stamp the card if so U get 2 yr warranty with JR (which is just like buying from AD!)

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Added on February 23, 2010, 9:18 am7 day power reserve, off sec and date.. paid over US$1K then maybe swiss. otherwise china.
U got to check with watchuseek chinese forum to get it ID.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 23 2010, 09:18 AM

Got myself new toy for CNY.

Hahahaha....man how I wish that dial was for power reserve. It only shows the day....1=Mon, 2=Tue, 3=Wed, so on...
this is definitely a china made movement with american brand.


ck77: The diameter is 48mm.

this picture is doing the watch so much justice. the dial is just beautiful. i love the glowing colours:)

hmm...oh yea u just made me realised it looks somewhat like IWC Big Pilot's Watch.
damn...so mine shows the day instead of power reserve what a let down
but i guess u get for what u pay
diameter is 48mm

This post has been edited by khopl: Feb 23 2010, 04:14 PM

Congrat on your new Portugese 7 days Wear it in good health.
I was fortunate enough to test on the same watch belongs to my friend last week, white dial though. Very well-build watch.
The movement seen from the clear back case is so gorgeous man Show us some picture on that

khopl, nevermind bro, buy the Big Pilot next time, RM36k after discount

This post has been edited by ck77: Feb 23 2010, 04:05 PM

WOW!!!..one of my grail....

must have cost a big hole in your pocket!