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post Jun 17 2012, 09:44 AM

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actually a lot of us presumed the beginning sacrifice scene to be giving life to humanity.

ridley didn't imply it was earth (he did say it could be anywhere in the galaxy)

we don't know IF it was a sacrifice was for the creation of life, what we did see the giant engineer drank the goop, fell into the waterfall, he then appear to disintegrate, stands of the DNA appear to break up, and appear to become something else. what else? what IF it was other what we, many of us presumed (mankind)?

while ridley/lindelof did say the engineers probably created up, in the movie, shaw showed us we share the same DNA, but for not the sacrifice itself did not lend to more then the young giant engineer 'died'.

Ridley did say the engineers travel thru space, somewhat like a gardener. still, it's open to interpretation. cool2.gif

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post Jun 17 2012, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Jun 17 2012, 03:00 PM)
When i read this it reminds me of  Neil deGrasse 's Complaint on the wrong sky in Titanic.
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What noooo, cameron don't make mistakes vmad.gif
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post Jun 21 2012, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 21 2012, 08:26 AM)
http://collider.com/what-david-said-to-the...metheus/174637/
~ according to Dr. Anil Biltoo of the SOAS Language Centre in London, who served as the Linguist Teacher on Prometheus.
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post Jun 21 2012, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jun 21 2012, 09:02 PM)
oh pls DON'T do a sequel, it'll be a waste of time and talent

this movie is on my official list of worst movies of 2012, the no. 1 worst movie is battleship
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Can imagine ridley & gang returns with the sequel just to piss 'anti-prometheus' lads. cool2.gif
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post Jun 22 2012, 08:38 AM

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Well, like or don't like, and like james cameron's Avatar. Myself and i guess like many was disappointed of 'that juggernaut', though their massive gross takings said otherwise rolleyes.gif )

And cameron will persist with likely another sequel to Avatar, heck he's planning a trilogy of it . with one on the works
Will i watch those? Likely not. It's a choice. I thought he did brilliantly with titanic, to others, his best was 'the abyss'.

I, myself will look fwd to the prometheus sequel (if it gets made) as i would wanna know what ridley's version to come out of the origins of the engineers, what originally happen at LV223, what the hell did words after david's..

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i'm the curious type, i'm pretty sure there are others (like us) too. I search, no i yearn for some enlightenment to those questions. so i guess Ridley & co deserves that recognition wink.gif

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post Jun 22 2012, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 22 2012, 11:25 AM)
seriously, this is one of the mindfcuk movie thumbup.gif
so many question to ponder upon after you left the hall thumbup.gif

<Genesis 1:27>
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
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Not all (apparently) tongue.gif

Well, like for some who will jizz over the little-mini top spinning type of ending, or any other simpler twist/plots; easier to comprehend type of movie and ending(s).

Prometheus however gives them headaches cool2.gif

Well, at times too, i do indulge in those mindless shoot-shoot, bang-bang (the bullets, laser kind for some of the curious mind wink.gif ), and those movies that you just leave logic aside, movies cool2.gif

So there is always something for everyone. tongue.gif cool2.gif

Stopped at twilight, didn't bother with the rest
Saw 'the hunger games' too, likely won't visit its sequels


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post Jun 22 2012, 03:03 PM

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Aiya, stop it you two tongue.gif cool2.gif


leave those "i like it because...because it's"....."Will beat the crap off.....", "Will win thousand of awards....", "the bestest of the best",.."will win over movie X in gross takings...", "i dont care, this movie is the best, better then your one, admit it else i go tell my mother".....banter to those young fans la.

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No hard feeling tongue.gif biggrin.gif smile.gif

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post Jun 23 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 24 2012, 12:14 AM)
it's kinda funny when i stumble upon friends who didnt like prometheus bcoz of it leaving too many questions than they give answers, but loved alien. if u actually go back and watch alien again, u tell me how many questions ridley left lying around?

i tell u, it's everyone. but bcoz everyone saw alien when they were like 7-8 years old, to them it's so awesome as it freaked the bejeezus out of them. now they're like old farts, trying to find a film the really blows their mind is simply... impossible.
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pretty much said it but some forumers here defended by saying they rewatch previous aliens movies (esp cameron's) and still maintain their conclusion. Sure there is no wham, bam, blazing monsters unlike aliens, but the pacing was fine by me.

I caught Prometheus again today @gsc paradigm mall. It was as how i remember it the first time, though upon watching the second time, i had more time looking at their facial expressions/clues around the screen (if any) in detail of david, shaw, vickers, weyland, janek etc.

It probably quite right to conclude that they (the engineer ship) indeed seem to bring WMD over to earth/or another system.

It's also fair to conclude that the 'engineer' probably realise 'david' wasn't human but a creation. The movie showed that one line david said (to engineer) and its probably irrelevant if the 'directors cut' include more (or not).

btw i'm a forty something old fart cool2.gif

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post Jun 24 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 24 2012, 08:24 PM)
I much prefer Alien to Aliens, but both are great. Aliens has dated in a bad way though, while Alien has aged very gracefully (like 2001: ASO). Still, I know people who prefer Aliens whilst also recognizing the brilliance of Alien. Matter of taste, in the end. And I have nothing against James Cameron. He's a master of modern action.

What I do think is not a matter of taste or subjectivity is that saying Alien had similar questions and closure problems as Prometheus. I would argue that it's an objective fact that the much raised problems of Prometheus do not plague Alien. In Alien we had complete closure to the main thread of the story- Ripley killed the alien and survived. That is something that can't be denied. All other questions- what is the space jockey, the origins of the alien, motives of the company, were secondary to the main thread and were never intended to be answered. The questions they raise were not direct, and only served to complement the main story and give the story more depth. Like
I said, it created a living, futuristic, large universe that existed beyond what was shown on the screen. It gave depth to the story.

Ask yourself this: in Prometheus, did you get any sense of closure? The movie failed to answer any of the main questions it raised, and the questions weren't jut philosophical in nature, they were very much plot-level, and very much the core of what the film was about. It did not come as any surprise to me when I read that Ridley already had a sequel in mind when making this. That much was obvious from watching it.

That said, I eagerly await the sequel. I just do not approve of this style of filmmaking.
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i think a lot of studio these days would want to (milk) the audience especially when they know its gold. Well, blame star wars for starting a saga. i think even disney is not spared> jack sparrow. hell, the marvel tie ups, links all the super heros...heck even mr nolan indulged cool2.gif


Ridley did say he planned this in two parts, i suppose the 'ambiguity' in this movie, or at least the larger part on certain things is pretty much 'intentional'.

They way is sparked discussions everywhere is a good sign & indication that ridley may very well have his way to produce/direct the sequel (or more). cool2.gif
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post Jun 28 2012, 08:03 AM

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33 years ago bro (ridley's alien), 33 years is a long time. biggrin.gif

but even then the 'prometheus' ship's interior isn't overly superior in looks over the first one. there are echo's of design (technology) but it's....as envisioned by the production to be year 2093. (I also like how the prequel of star trek's enterprise was done on their part )

it is fun debating, discussing the outlook/key ingredients of the film. We know it not always films could reach & satisfy everyone, as the saying goes, one man's meat is another man's poison.

myself i would hope to land my hands on the graphic books of prometheus (the ship) & the renderings of the movie. kinda strikes imaginations of what the future world could be. cool2.gif


correction, it appears it was Lindelof who suggested to led prometheus into 2 parts as was Ridley Scott was adamant that he avoid repeating previous accomplishments (aliens and the subsequent films), thus they found an avenue for 20th Century Fox to pursue further or a new subsequent/entirely new saga.

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"A true prequel should essentially proceed the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters, have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world."
i suppose he's keeping to what he (lindelof) is known for cool2.gif

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Lindelof explained:
Blade Runner might not have done well [financially] when it first came out, but people are still talking about it because it was infused with all these big ideas. [Scott] was also talking about very big themes in Prometheus. It was being driven by people who wanted the answers to huge questions. But I thought that we could do that without ever getting too pretentious. Nobody wants to see a movie where people are floating in space talking about the meaning of life ... That was already present in [Spaihts'] original script and [Scott] just wanted to bring it up more.



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In North America, audience tracking showed high interest among males of all ages, but low interest among females


it figures cool2.gif

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post Jun 28 2012, 11:05 AM

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yeah, i pretty much deduced that early on.

having listening to what both fifield and millburn's conversations early on in the film and of which did say he was there for the money (seems more of a mercenary then one who would be a true believer in science/archaeology) and vickers assessment of the 'crew'


and even in the casting credits of prometheus, the others were also labelled as 'Mercenary 1, 2, 3..' and so on (not "scientist" btw)



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and even the smartest people can make mistakes --- mistakes of logic and reason at times. some of the science-motivated antarctic expeditions in the 20th century for example (ponies vs dogs for example).

yup it's not made up but true fact.

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post Jun 28 2012, 12:41 PM

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Caught that on my first viewing,

(Well, on the less important 'extras' where they have no screen names)

To so much as to add (my take) "why couldn't weyland hire the best of the bestest scientist? (given the fact [possibly] that this is to meet our maker)

1) it's weyland industries (not NASA, or USA if they had survive till year 2093), the criteria/scenarios could be as the links r2t2 provided.

2) Is there a proper way on how some people conduct themselves? Even on facebook, we are now open to a window to our other people around the world. Honestly, I find them as human too cool2.gif

3)in the debriefing on Prometheus(vickers at the helm), nobody seem to know 'everybody' (hence secretive) yet, personally handpicked by vickers (weyland industries) and only after then was their mission (half agenda) revealed.
One can view that maybe vickers didn't want the 'adventure, to go to where no one has gone before' to as successful as how her 'king' wishes for. The only "true" believers it seems was shaw and holloway.

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post Jun 29 2012, 12:24 AM

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aww come on, alien was 33 years ago, the element of surprise is long gone, (who was the one to be 'killed', or meat for the villian, etc) tongue.gif much has changed in the way viewers (general) expectations over the years (i guess).

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post Jun 29 2012, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 29 2012, 12:37 PM)
that's the sad part, finding out that she is indeed a human, and with poor survival skills.

i sorta wished she's a droid. i mean why would weyland create a MALE droid? and later, he would design a droid in his image (bishop). man, this guy have serious god-complex issues.
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Bishop, the next CEO of weyland-yutani (in aliens) made the next droid an image of himself.

While some may argue the idioticty of vickers not running zig zag as to avoid the crescent falling spaceship, I dunno man, Ridley wanted her to die, I guess, or at least we think she died being crushed. Who would know where falling derbies/giant spaceship would land in a state of panic. cool2.gif

QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 29 2012, 12:58 PM)
But if you're a virgin to the Alien movies, and had no prior knowledge of the movies (including how legendary Ripley has become), I think it would be still pretty unpredictable as to who gets killed and who survives.

And to be far, that's a comment that is also applicable to Prometheus- if you hadn't seen the trailers and read interviews (pretty much a given in the internet age), you wouldn't be able to guess who dies at the start.

But the difference between the two is, in Prometheus you have characters being really stupid before they die, and in those moments of stupidity the audience knows instantly they are goners. In Alien, some of the deaths are not entirely unexpected, you know in the quiet moments that the alien is going to rip into someone (Dallas looking nervous and lost in the ducts, Brett looking for the cat, the shadow of the alien looking over Parker and Lambert), but none of those deaths were results of acts of stupidity.

In short, when someone dies in Alien, you go "Shit, he's going to die."

When someone dies in Prometheus, you go "Haha, he's going to die."
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I dunno man sweat.gif some guys are meat, some guys are to die cool2.gif

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post Sep 17 2012, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(VoxPopuli @ Sep 17 2012, 07:00 PM)
What did david said to the alien that made him so pissed?
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:24 AM

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Hello David,

Immersed with the engineer robe I see 😶😎

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It's interesting to see the concept explored by Ridley Scott, I find the quite and eye opener for fans of the Ridley Scott ALIEN, as opposed to pure movie, shoot erm & just blast the f#*>*king b~*tards aliens plot


http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/alien-c...-engineer-cloak
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QUOTE(OperaGhost @ Dec 28 2016, 01:46 AM)
It's kinda meh they didn't continue shaw's story arc searching for the engineer. AC more like it's been ages since Prometheus with Shaw now have died with only David survived on the anonymous planet with a new crew landed with their new adventure.
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based on the site, its rumoured elizabeth shaw will 'return' after Alien:covenant (she was signed on for more than 1 movie)
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agree there were many "david" 's as ridley envisioned

there was a earlier pre trailer before prometheus showing the production line of davids

Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) maybe only be a cameo, in a stasis state? though unlikely given Covenant is set ten years after Prometheus, "reports indicated that though she was expected back, it would be in a much smaller role—some suspected in flashbacks or archival footage"


official synopsis (alien Covenant) released

"Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise. But it actually turns out to be a dark, dangerous world. And the sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition."



according to the old man Ridley
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"Its a very complex story. It's an evolution of what I first did with Prometheus 1, Prometheus 1 was borne out of my frustration that on Alien 1 in 1979 - I only did one as I don't normally do sequels. I was amazed that in the 3 that followed  that no-one asked the question "why the Alien, who made it and why?"

Very basic questions. So I came up with the notion of Prometheus 1, which starts to indicate who might have made it and where it came from.

So I'm now going to the next one, which is the next evolution directly connected with the first one, which was this Shaw, when he replaced Michael Fassbender in two pieces and we'll kind of pick it up there and it will evolve. When that's finished there'll be another one and then another one which will gradually drive into the back entrance of the film in 1979.

So in other words, why was this space jockey there and why did he have an Alien inside him? And those questions will be answered."

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post Apr 24 2017, 08:50 AM

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Alien Covenant Trailer



Video from the Alien Covenant Site / https://www.facebook.com/alienanthology/vid...55089401521605/



Alien Covenant TV trailer spot




engineer's city/world
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david?
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Dec 28 2016, 01:21 PM)
Didn't read much of the news

but I think the "David" we saw in the trailer might not be the same David in Prometheus, maybe it's the same android model deployed together with the search team

David, meet David laugh.gif

anyway, from the looks of the trailer, seems like the crash of the spacecraft wasn't that long ago, probably Shaw survived and will meet the new crew
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yes, Walter vs David, well there could be a fight or tag team biggrin.gif




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Caught it last night



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