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post Dec 23 2011, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Dec 23 2011, 10:02 AM)
Did I just see that guy from Black Eyed Peas?

Did someone look like he's got acid in his face?

Most important of all:-

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No, that guy is Idris Elba.

And yes, in the clip - it does look like there's acid in there.

Further more, the ship is there... and hell yes to your spoiler! thumbup.gif
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post Dec 23 2011, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Dec 23 2011, 12:49 PM)
OK I'm officially psyched about this. The trailer looks really good, and the sets.... hell yes. Looks like Ridley wants to replicate the look of the original Alien.

That said, I do have some concerns regarding the big action spectacle scenes with CGI. I hope the movie isn't littered with it, as that would definitely detract from the ALIEN experience. I want the slow crawling pace of the original please!
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Will never know until its out. Michael Fassbender as an android... thumbup.gif

More entirely, after what I read about what this movie plot will be... I do have some doubts. Its not easy how they going to pull this how even though they did say its not entirely connected to 1979's Alien but some what the essence is there. The derelict ship, the space jockey... the acid sequence...

What's even more deeper than that is how true the trailer is showing a few things, which I do have fear what it might turn out even... but I am crossing fingers until June next year and hope it will really answer all the questions there is.

Also, Prometheus takes place in the year of 2080, 30 years prior to Alien... I think a lot of things will be answered... and hopefully, its a satisfying one as well if able to deliver well.
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post Dec 23 2011, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Dec 23 2011, 03:44 PM)
what exactly is this "space jockey"? cant recall it in alien series.

and i thought charlize theron is the main actress in this movie, seems like one of the sub character only. from a short glimpse from the trailer, possible android or alien infected also..

so meaning most likely this character will die in this movie. sigh...
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Chuckle - time for you to watch the first movie already...

The entire movie the cast nobody is main... although some say its Noomi Rapace that will be the lead...
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post Dec 23 2011, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Dec 23 2011, 04:17 PM)
Well she has a bit of that Sigourney Weaver vibe around her, although she doesn't have that classic Weaver motherly trait. There's a shot of a character's head upside down in the trailer, I think it was right after the title PROMETHEUS is fully revealed. Anyone else think that shot resembles Ripley? Was that Rapace's face?
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It is Rapace alright (confirm by certain sites)... but what is she doing upside down is the question.

All of a sudden... I think of Roger Corman's Galaxy of Terror... sweat.gif

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post Dec 23 2011, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(BelowAverage @ Dec 23 2011, 10:09 PM)
agreee!

I mean looking at aliens fighting is cool, but the recent alien vs predator, its like looking at the alien nothing special or scary

Last time the alien come out here and there, omg scary like f***
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I just hope FOX just put AVP aside and think what is best for the franchise and not just about making money.

Here's one interesting fact:-

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At the end of AVPR, when I saw the finale of how it end, it does make me wonder who these two merge as one... and the story behind it... even though AVPR is doh.gif
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post Dec 24 2011, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Dec 24 2011, 02:06 AM)
re-watched the making of alien - the beast within.  the chest burst scene is just epic, and the actors freaking out (literally) especially the blond girl who was really in shock is awesome!  Ridley is so good!
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It was one of the original scenes of its time and it still is. Veronica Cartwright (the blonde girl) really got the shocked of her life... laugh.gif
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post Dec 30 2011, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(domcobb @ Dec 30 2011, 08:26 PM)
Mentah mental Scott's explaination on the space jockey is its fighting incoming predators aerial battleship!  doh.gif sambung balik AVP punya story!  tongue.gif
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Ai yoh... you think Ridley will really sambung itu trash meh... shakehead.gif
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post Dec 30 2011, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(domcobb @ Dec 30 2011, 09:49 PM)
Haha. Kidding, dude but the 2 AVP movie are just, in your word, trash!
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totally - why they made it as slugfest is beyond me. Paul W.S. Anderson - while I do enjoy his Death Race (yes, I know some of you don't), Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon, this is his worst take on AVP... and then the sequel is just doh.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif

No more AVP 3... just leave it as these two is enough and hope FOX really have the brains for it...
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post Dec 31 2011, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Dec 31 2011, 03:58 AM)
Paul W.S. Anderson taboleh harap punya laa. Did you watch his The Three Musketeers? Facepalm sefacepalm-facepalmnya.
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Can one la - not all his movies are bad. Of course, The Three Musketeers is so-so and nothing exceptional (I wonder why he even direct The Three Musketeers)... but give credit to him for Mortal Kombat, which how the movie made his name as well (even though the movie is cheesy)
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post Feb 29 2012, 10:17 PM

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Source:- http://www.beyondhollywood.com/watch-guy-p...-give-a-speech/

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Watch Guy Pearce as Peter Weyland from Ridley Scott’s Prometheus Give a Speech

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There’s a long story behind this viral video of Guy Pearce playing Peter Weyland giving a speech to a crowd about changing the world and becoming Gods, in case you were wondering. Pearce’s Weyland is famous in the Ridley Scott “Alien” universe — or at least, his family tree is, as they are one half of the Weyland-Yutani corporation responsible for the Nostromo, the commercial ship in the first “Alien” movie. The corporation would show up time and time again in the sequels. It’s all very inside baseball unless you’re a sci-fi/”Alien” fan, so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Suffice it to say, by having a character name Peter Weyland be responsible for the ship that sends Prometheus into space, Scott is essentially tying “Prometheus” to his “Alien” universe.

The video was “conceived” by “Prometheus” director Ridley Scott and screenwriter Damon Lindelof, and directed by Luke Scott. Note: it is NOT a scene from the movie, but does give us an explanation (of sorts) on why the Prometheus crew is out there in space in the movie. It would appear their boss’ hubris has a lot to do with it.

“Prometheus”, starring Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Ben Foster, Logan Marshall-Green, Kate Dickie, Sean Harris, takes flight June 8, 2012.[/SIZE]



Guy Pearce giving a speech in this viral video
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post Apr 18 2012, 05:26 PM

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Source:- http://www.beyondhollywood.com/michael-fas...us-viral-video/

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Michael Fassbender Will Creep You The Hell Out in New Prometheus Viral Video

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I love the fact that this latest “Prometheus” viral video plays on the whole “synthetic guy among the crew goes crazy” vibe that the “Alien” franchise is known for, though the synthetic guy proved his mettle in the second movie, to be fair. Here’s Michael Fassbender, playing the latest and greatest creation of Weyland Industries, celebrating his birthday. I bet he can blow out a ton of candles. Probably.

   
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A team of scientists and explorers are on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life’s ultimate mystery.


Starring Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Ben Foster, Logan Marshall-Green, Kate Dickie, and Sean Harris.

Ridley Scott and company goes explorin’ June 8, 2012.



Introducing David 8 Viral Video
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post Apr 18 2012, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Frankmiller92 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:20 PM)
Sadly, Sir Ridley Scott personally stated that moviegoers today loves to be challenged and do not expect to be spoon fed... I hope his faith in moviegoernity is rewarded... I would cry if this movie bombed like John Carter. Is this film Rated R or pg-13 now?? rclxub.gif I heard MPAA slapped an R rating... dunno if Fox wants to Appeal or Edit or God willing make it R!
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Its definitely an R for sure. If its PG-13 - I feel very disappointed...
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post Jun 2 2012, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 2 2012, 11:11 PM)
oh man .. i am so totally spoiled already ....

I've went and read all the reviews .. the spoilers i read in wikipedia is confirmed ...
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Same here... but I am still going to watch the movie... thumbup.gif
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post Jun 7 2012, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jun 7 2012, 12:00 AM)
Yay, there is Digital 2D version at GSC 1U... but no 3D which is fine. I wonder if this is one of those "thinking man's movie", you know where you have to use brain power to try and figure out why and how things are happening.  I just love the vision of the film and it looks too good to be ignored. Looks can be deceiving, but so far it has been positive feedback though not overwhelmingly positive.
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eh... I check GSC 1 Utama, there is 3D... blink.gif
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post Jun 7 2012, 02:18 PM

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mad.gif crap - default was right. No 3D at 1U

Dunno if my chances in Cineleisure is good or not

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post Jun 8 2012, 11:45 AM

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Just bought my 3D tickets and will be watching at Cathay Cineleisure.
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post Jun 8 2012, 11:48 PM

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Came back watching the 3D version from Cathay e@Curve

Before I start, I believe many of you had miss one thing which was actually in the credits:-

"Based on the elements of Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shushett"

This was never nor any intention whatsoever any real connection to the Alien series - it is true, it happen in the same universe but a different take. When I saw that in the credits, it explains and why Ridley Scott himself said it veers away from the original Alien series itself. So - this I felt considers "end of discussion" of pure speculation whether there is any connection between Prometheus and Alien series.

Now, back to my take on this film... (not going to spoiler it... I believe most of us had watched it by then)

For one, it has a good take on what this movie is trying to tell us - where do we come from. The story itself delves deep into the beginnings of mankind (which, this alone I do enjoy since now finally someone is taking a risk in creating a story of where we come from) and how the first few minutes really explains much. Fast-forward to the future, we get to see Elizabeth Shaw and Charlie Holloway discovered evidence of mankind's origin, going to the planet LV-223 (not LV-426, which was based on the Alien series!) and discover what they never expect. Things go wrong, blah-blah-blah, many people got killed and what was left... my best guess you already figured it out. Sadly...

This film is flawed. Yes, there are a few things in the 2nd act of the film shown flaws in ways, not just the script was horrible, its the direction that the characters take were horrible. There are questions unanswered, things that weren't explored or maybe, it was just that intention of not answering but nevertheless, it was how the interaction between the characters were not done well. Few things did not explain too well (like what really happen to Fifield and how he turn out the way he is but my best guess is played on "assumption" the audience knows it by common sense) and everything else is just... "guessing". Theories abound on many assumptions and how Elizabeth Shaw can even guess it without even showing evidence. In anticipation, I brush away all that and just take it as it stands alone... but in the end, it was the script that spoils the beauty of it. The dialogue between characters is just terrible - and the change on certain characters (like Meredith Vickers is a good example) just makes me wonder what went on "that direction" instead of the intended direction as per-set of each character. What makes it flawed, the focus now turns to one other thing that saves it...

Visually - its stunning! This is a movie worth a picture of a thousand words. Yes - many compares it to Ridley's Alien... but hey, has anyone remembered "Blade Runner" even? Visually itself, its beautiful. Watching it on 3D makes it even more beautiful than ever. The details and designs is breathtaking - from looking where Prometheus flew in to LV-223 to the holographic mapping of the dome - its stunning. This is Ridley at his best. He is a visual-envision director that knows how to capture the heart and beauty of grabbing the audience at their seat, the awe-inspiring look at the world that is different and beautiful that stands alone so well. How he played David's character walking about the Prometheus where everyone was cryo-sleep and what he does - this is the same take he did before in Alien (I know someone is going to disagree with me and I am willing to take that challenge because look at the same beginning of Alien and how he did it with Prometheus - its the same difference) and I love that moment of it.

Acting wise, Michael Fassbender as David is near superb. Maybe because I was looking for certain details and he did, as an actor, completed that like an android. Certain movements, certain body language and the way he interacts works like his character intended to be. As an actor, there is no other that can do it that well (well, besides, Lance Henriksen for Aliens, which was also good). Noomi Rapace as Elizabeth Shaw... I don't know - I felt something was missing about her character and didn't felt that important. Maybe that was the purpose all along but towards the end, I felt likely maybe that was the intention after all. Charlize Theron on the other hand, it is sad the written character of her takes a 180% turn to the worst - which was not expected (since the script is flawed) and so, didn't utilize it that well even. The rest of the actors is nothing much to say as they played their own.

While watching in Cathay, I loved the sound effects in the cinema hall - its fantastic. I really love it and I hope when the Blu-Ray is out, every single one of these sounds will be there in that format:-

Overall:- 3.5 out of 5 star. Prometheus could have been better if not because of the flawed script. Nevertheless, its a good film to watch, standalone from the Alien series. Its a summer movie that you have to watch... its worth it (3D or not, it doesn't matter)
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post Jun 9 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(marcus20125 @ Jun 9 2012, 09:32 AM)
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btw,the movie totally suck at the end,or consider total suck

basically this movie consider as

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It's NOT a PREQUEL!

Geez... nobody really stayed on towards the end CREDITS!!!

Already mention that this movie is "based on the elements of Dan O' Bannon and Ronald Shushett"!!!

Even Ridley himself said its not entirely based on the Prequel and veering away from the original Alien series!


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post Jun 9 2012, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 9 2012, 10:54 AM)
It kinda is a prequel though. You can't deny the multiple connection it has to the Alien franchise, what with the gratuitous last shot, the space jockeys, the facehuggers, the acid blood, etc. The other half of the movie wants to be standalone.
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In certain ways, there are similarities, but in truth it isn't. At the beginning, it was meant to be a prequel but Ridley wanted it to veer away from the Alien series and make changes to certain things. That is why the design or the facehuggers were much more bigger (octopus like, if you ask me with tentacles compared to the original, which was fingers), the acid blood didn't played too much of it and some changes in the Alien design when it burst out from the chest of the Engineer.

Need to remind others - in Alien, the dead "Engineer" (or Space Jockey) was seated in the navigation room with its chest bust outwards but in Prometheus, it was in the other lifeboat instead.

Let's look at it this way - happen in the same universe but if it goes in a different direction. Much like the upcoming "Spider-Man" series - happen in a different way in "The Amazing Spider-Man" and not in "Spider-Man" series but in the same universe too. Is "Prometheus" a reboot of the Alien series? Who knows... could be but Ridley is not telling, maybe he felt like doing "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" for that matter and steering it away from "Planet of the Apes" series but also happen in the same universe. Multiple connection, but in a different way but does not mean it serves as a "prequel"

But in the end - it boils down to what this movie based on, which was at the end credits that shown "based on the elements...". Even when I saw "Based on the alien elements of H.R. Giger" I was surprised by it, in other words... it was never served as a prequel but just based upon certain elements of the original Alien series, and nothing to do with it...
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post Jun 9 2012, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2012, 11:17 AM)
i think it has been explained that they're not even on the same planet. prometheus is set on LV-223, a satellite (moon) to a larger planet. alien and aliens were set in LV-426, a different planet. what this film established is that, the space jockey is an star faring race dating millions (if not billions) of years.

the space jockeys may have developed the xenomorphs as a self-evolving bio weapon that could adapt itself to kill/destroy/annihilate any biological lifeform. after acquiring sufficient genetic material, the xenomorphs evolves to become into a more lethal form within a single generation. this is evident in aliens resurrection, where it absorbed a lot of ripley's DNA and evolved into a very humanoid form (with facial features, 5 digits instead of 6, a womb and so on) within a single generation. the same happened in aliens vs predator (ending sequence).

the only thing that doesnt click in aliens vs predator is that, if the evolution took place late 21st century, then how did the alien queen get in the antartics in the early 21st century? this is why most alien fans agree that aliens vs predator is not canon. but prometheus surely is.


Added on June 9, 2012, 11:19 am

when he said it wasnt a prequel, he meant prequel to the alien series. but it's still set in the same universe. more like a spinoff.

something like 'x-men origins: wolverine' is not a prequel to the x-men trilogy, but it's still set in the same universe.
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There are still those that thinks its a direct sequel to the original Alien franchise but not reading up to the view and intentions of them creators.

About AVP (which I do dread it a lot), the Alien Queen itself likely happen to be there, captured by Predators for laying egg purpose for Predators to hunt. Remember - when AVP was an idea by FOX, the project was seriously given to James Cameron but he rejected it (and we all know why) and FOX still greenlit it to make it into a film (those money, greedy corporations). The idea was that they wanted to explore the origins of how Weyland came about - maybe saying the Alien and Predator is much more older but to no point of origin yet but intentions of saying this has been going on for eons.

I felt AVP series in some ways tries to connect it to the Alien series but in a dumb way how FOX thinks audience are dumb and would accept it... doh.gif

Which boils down to what you said early of what doesn't click at all but then, even so, the beginning of Prometheus explains how one of the Engineers took the black goo and died (just like how Holloway got it too) but also fertilize Earth and creates life - first creation of human beings based on their DNA strains. This is really playing around the minds of the audience of this new mythology of what was meant to be something else and not connected to the Alien series but a new beginning veering away from the original series.

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