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post Dec 5 2008, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(colt_508 @ Dec 5 2008, 09:18 AM)
another selling thread reporting doh.gif
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I don't see anything wrong with console selling thread if we can discuss it maturely.

The problem we had before is ppl spamming the thread which leads to it being closed.

For me, I always follow the monthly (USA) and weekly (Japan) sales figure as I have interest on how my console is doing.

While most of you would say who cares about the sales happening in places thousand of miles away I beg to differ. If a console is not getting the majority of the pie, (Saturn, Gamecube, PS3) the game developer would rather not invest on making games on that console or they would make it multi console (Lose bragging rights from some ppl, i.e. FF13 tongue.gif ). God forbid, the console maker would stops making consoles at all. Dreamcast for example.
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post Dec 5 2008, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(sihumchai @ Dec 5 2008, 11:40 AM)
"well, wii have the best controller gimmick that non other console game have."

Fixed!

But until Wii Motion Plus comes out, Nintendo still don't have 1:1 true motion controls.
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Hopefully if motion plus are well received, it will be build in on the next batch of Wii motes. More waggle = More sales laugh.gif
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post Dec 10 2008, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Dec 10 2008, 09:03 AM)
Hahah then sorry for the family story.. not intentional but just to share something i went through...

And to neogeocdz, relax... no need to be so stress out. Everyone will had their own favourite console, but mostly, favourite games. THe games on the Wii might not appeal to some people, but they sold so well because the wii simply apply to the nintendo fans, the non gamers and also the casuals. Is a fantastic console i must admit if only the graphic and 3rd party dev support was better.

After all, its all come down to taste and preferance. I might get bored with ps3 too maybe in future, so who know? Is up to either sony, microsoft and nintendo to push their software to made their hardware interesting. 

Numbers are not everything, its simply mean that everyone are buying it, either they play it or not is another issue. All matter is how the dev response and continue bringing fun games to us as user or player.

Nevermind the last or this or next generation, is the motion or HD generation now. Either way, go with whatever suit. smile.gif
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I beg to differ, numbers do means a lot to gamers.

For example, to X360 owner who likes to play or wishes to play Final Fantasy 13 drool.gif do you think if X360 is selling badly in US of A, Square would even THINK of porting it to X360? Most of the gamers have no money and they cannot just buy PS3 for the sake of playing that game. See, by selling shedloads is does pays off to be X360 owner.

Another example, Monster Hunter 3. Why do you think it is coming out on Wii? Because Wii sales obliterate everyone else.

All this example are only applicable to Single Owner console. If you are rich and can own all three then sales figure does not matter. But for the other 95% of gamers who owns only 1 console at 1 time, then it means a lot to them.

Edited. Grammar and spelling

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post Dec 10 2008, 09:35 AM

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If not because Nintendo we would not be where we are as gamers.

1. They single handedly saved the gaming industry after the fall of the mighty Atari.

2. Because of them the Playstation came into existance. To sum it up, Ninty and Sony goes on joint venture to create an add on for SNES, Ninty pulled out of the deal and Sony continues with the disbanded project.

There are many ifs and buts the the above scenario like if not for Ninty someone else would start back the gaming industry. The fact that matters is Ninty does it and no one else.


Added on December 10, 2008, 9:42 am
QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Dec 10 2008, 09:34 AM)
Well i understand you perfectly well.
Sorry to mislead in the number part.
What i really meant is that numbers are not always the determining factors. Sure the number lead you to made the next decision on where to station your hardware. Like what you said about the FF13 on the X360, i always think Square are trying to maximize their profit, that is why they decided to bring it to the x360 as well. Just put it as an example, I am a supplier and my client, contractor A is tendering a job to an owner. When tendering, there might be contract A, B and C. If i only support contractor A and ignore contractor B and C, I might miss had lower my chances to get the job if happen that contractor B and C get the job. If i supported all of them, is going to be a win win situation. Same thing apply here, is Square choose to only support PS3, they might only get portion of profit but if square supported both, they can maximize the profit. So for me (humble opinion), think that no matter how much volume of x360 owner wanted FF13, porting seem to be the best choice, on the dev stand of view.

I was pretty sad with MH3 being ported to wii, when they suppose to announce it for ps3, is think its look pretty awesome in ps3, with the better networking system. However, for this, like you mentioned, number did play an important rules here. Capcom see the potential and go with it, but as in how good is going to sell, we will gonna wait and see. For once i tot DIsaster :DoC is going to sell well, but i guess not, further my believes that matured games doesnt really appeal to wii owner.

Just my 2cent. smile.gif
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I'm not a programmer but I would like to think there would be a cost attached to porting a game specifically created from ground up to a different console with a different program. Case in hand reprogram FF13 so that it would plays on X360.

Now this number is for example only. Let say it cost USD 5 mill to do this porting to X360. Square still have to calculate how many potential x360 customers that would buy the game. IF x360 only sells 5mill instead of 20mill, then the latter figure have more chances of being ported.

Edited, so if the cost outweight potential returns then it have no chance. Higher Sales means higher potential returns.

So which means number still means a lot to this developer.

One question, if the figure were to be reversed, PS3 sold more than X360, would Square have even touched X360? No.

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post Dec 10 2008, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(PaiGeWonG @ Dec 10 2008, 10:41 AM)
Huh got new Zelda ? Wii or Ds ka?
Sorry out of topic  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ajis @ Dec 10 2008, 10:47 AM)
no laa..but I can live in hope, rite?
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No big surprise. At E3 2008, Nintendo confirmed (very vaguely) that the Mario and Zelda teams had reassembled, but offered no further details. But when we sat down with Shigeru Miyamoto this week, he elaborated on situation, absolutely confirmed that a new Wii Zelda is underway, and suggested that it will see some fundamental changes.

"The Zelda team in particular always works on Zelda titles. The core members of the Zelda team have for a very long time now been focused on Zelda games, and continue to focus on Zelda games, so they are hard at work and working away," Miyamoto said. "And then, of course, we have the DS Zelda team as well, so even there we're having some switching of people in and out where the DS team is mixing in with the Wii team and working on the Wii version."

At GDC 2007, Eiji Aonuma gave a presentation on The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. At that time, he showed a brief snippet of an experimentation the Zelda team conducted -- it was Twilight Princess running in the first-person view. We asked Miyamoto if such a fundamental change could await players of Wii's next Zelda adventure.

"I don't necessarily think it will change that drastically, but I think that Zelda is a franchise that does need some big new unique ideas," he said. "And so the team right now is very focused on trying to find those ideas."


http://wii.ign.com/articles/890/890200p1.html
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post Dec 10 2008, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Dec 10 2008, 11:28 AM)
Don't say something you do not know. You are making a fool of yourself.
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Just ignore him, this thread is making good progress and lets not it be derailed.

Glad that we have have a good sales thread without it being closed few days later.
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post Dec 10 2008, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Dec 10 2008, 01:16 PM)
I guess i been through the same senario as you do, i still remember playing mario and double dragon, also lot other 2D platform games like you do perhaps, and had lot of fun from it, serve as pretty good childhood memories.

But differ from you, taste and experience changed when we grow up. Not to say we cant stay as fun as our childhood memories served, but somehow, at least for me, i wanted something more than just mario. Somehow, i cant stand 2D platform at all, not even a moment, which probably answer why I dislike mario paper, although i think is a pretty good RPG. But with the growth of tech, somehow, it drawn me to demand for much realistic looking games, much matured, etc. Maybe is the growth of the technologies, or maybe people just changed, fan or no fan for me, is not relevant, cause i just want to play games, I can be fan for nintendo 15 years ago? But as long as their games still favor my taste and up to today tech growth and is fun to play, they will always get the support.

Again just my 2cent
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A different analogy.

Let say you support a football club, currently they are winning trophies and everything else, suddenly they are not winning and going through a slump (like Liverpool who have not win the championship during the last 19 years). According to your analogy above, you and many others will desert your club and support the current winning team AMT like Man Utd.

For Neogeo and myself, we will still support our football club which are going through the crisis because through they belong to a special place in our heart.

Am I wrong to use this for example?
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post Dec 10 2008, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Dec 10 2008, 01:27 PM)
U'd be pissing Liverpool fans though for mentioning defection. laugh.gif
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Aiyo got 2 example ler. Those who deserted their club and those who stayed through thick and thin biggrin.gif

Edited: Hopefully Aiyish and Madmoz tak bambu me for using this example sweat.gif biggrin.gif

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post Dec 10 2008, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(LeechFever @ Dec 10 2008, 01:37 PM)
Only thing I can think of why Wii dominates because users think they are not just playing games but also at same time (delusionary) exercising, in a way healthier..........by just moving a portion of their arm? Secondly it's cheaper.
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This is a flawed arguement since Wii fit only released in Dec 07 and May 08 whilst Wii are released in Nov 2006.

The cheaper reasoning is VERY true. Everyone LOL at Sony when they announce USD599. I think its Kutaragi who even said that gamers are willing to have 2 jobs to buy PS3. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(shahreza2000 @ Dec 10 2008, 01:54 PM)
since its cheaper, make perfect sense... a perfect gift...
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Definately. USD 249 has been a sweet spot for console price. PS, PS2, GC, XBox.

Which makes us wonder what those CEO's at Sony were smoking when they announce USD599 laugh.gif
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post Dec 10 2008, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(why_79 @ Dec 10 2008, 03:10 PM)
there's always dark side for the wii, hehe..... part of the reason why it's thriving here in asia.  tongue.gif

i haven't felt the need to pirate my wii, basically because there aren't enough good games on it. yes u can regard that as a complaint but the same goes with the ps3 for me.  laugh.gif
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That is one of the main reason Wii is selling like hotcakes, piracy.

Just like PS & PS2 the main reason for these console are selling well is because of piracy. However due to their large user base, developers still make games for them.

Even if we say 10% of PS/PS2 userbase buys ori, thats is 10 million potential Ori Customer Base. That goes the same for Wii eventhough the number does not matched PS/PS2 numbers yet.

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post Dec 11 2008, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(dark lenanza @ Dec 11 2008, 10:51 AM)
aiseh...
i just trying to reduce the heat here by quoting the 360 not the wii
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Yeah, by deflecting the heat towards me. whistling.gif

No worries though, "Flame Shield Activated" tongue.gif
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post Dec 26 2008, 10:59 PM

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PS3 sucks!! rclxs0.gif

I'm not kidding tongue.gif Get 2 jobs my @$$ doh.gif How arrogant can you get?

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/06/sony-wan...-playstation-3/

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3141864
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post Dec 30 2008, 06:04 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 29 2008, 08:21 PM)
there are nitendo fans who feel insulted at how nitendo has been treating them, giving more focus on casual household gamers than dieheart fans of memorable exclusives throughout the system...
other than this, i dun actually see any more rants about the wii system...
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Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash Bros ALL CAME OUT within 2 years of Wii life span. Those those fans who felt insulted, I say FECK OFF.

QUOTE(Deathslizer @ Dec 29 2008, 11:51 PM)
I dont mind if they come out more games from their 1st party franchises but i rly hope they will put more ideas and innovation into their franchises instead of mario saving the same damn princess for the 100millionth time.... >.<
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N64 - Mario switch from 2D to 3D seamlessly with the analog control THAT WAS COPIED BY SONY & MICROSOFT whistling.gif

NGC - Not so much innovation, only the inclusion of the Water Pack.

Wii - One of the best control for Mario Game using the Wii mote PLUS the second player can join in any time to help Mario.

For me, that's enough ideas and innovation.
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post Dec 30 2008, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 30 2008, 04:43 PM)
3 games to last the hardcore fans 2 whole years?
in these 2 years look at how many 'casual' games out there...
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Its 5 games and not 2. BTW I'm havent include Animal Crossing and the new IP by Nintendo which is Disaster: Day of Crisis. Warioware could be considered a hardcore 2D Platforming game.

All in all this is 8 games which could satisfy many so called Ninty fans. 8 games which 5 comes from a top francise in 2 years is not bad ok.

What did Sony came out within 2 years? Gran tourismo - nope, GOW - not yet. What other top first party games from Sony that comes out within the last 2 years?

Please do not include any third party games and I'm actually responding to your posting on Nintendo not being fair to hardcore Nintendo fans.

BTW, could you please show me some of this hardcore fans in this forum that said they were mistreated by Nintendo for the last 2 years?
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post Dec 31 2008, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Dec 31 2008, 12:58 PM)
Fans will always support each of their console, put the fans aside, we got ourselves with people who prefer what they will enjoy in each of their game.
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During the days of PS1 and PS2 when Sony sold by the bucket load, we held up and pay our respect to Sony since they knew the way to market it.

Now that NINTENDO HAS RISEN FROM THE DEAD why can't you guys (the so called hardcore gamers konon) give the same respect and instead bashing it up? whistling.gif

QUOTE(Heero Yuy @ Dec 31 2008, 01:04 PM)
BWT, most of the ps3 and xbox are made by third party, Sony may have some, like god of war and gran turismo. While nintendo has so much 1st party, made by nintendo them self.
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Err got GOW game on PS3 edy? whistling.gif

GT5 - BTW Demo sold as half of a complete games does not count ahh.
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QUOTE(shahreza2000 @ Dec 31 2008, 01:52 PM)
sony can't afford to make fans wait for gran turismo 5
at least we got a game... can play online racing somemore.. marvel at the gfx drool.gif
also GOW3 is in development rather being cancelled here n there for others...
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This is one example of typical biasness forumner had towards Nintendo.

Sony - Came out with half baked GT5 and GOW3 currently in production after 2 years. Forumners said its ok.

Nintendo - Came out with, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Wario & Animal Crossing. Forumners said Nintendo is pissing on them by only produce crap casual games.

Hmm,,,,,, hmm.gif

BTW, I'm only talking about major IP by the first party.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Dec 31 2008, 11:13 PM)
If wii are inovative, i think the 360/ps3 are revolutionary. Sure some people dont think graphic really matter to them, but some people hook on to the graphic to experience gaming which is beyond their imagination. smile.gif
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I totally agree, one mans meat is another mans poison.

However like I posted before, to those who choose graphics (PS3 and 360) at least please show some respect to those that choose Wii. Don't la post comments like Wii for kiddy or the gfx sux.
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 1 2009, 02:13 PM)
agree on this...

those who said nitendo users are happy with the current wii libraries of games, go check out gaming forums (particualrly on wii music)...
i for one nvr said wii sucks but all the flames indicate i do?
i jz said there's more of casual games flooding the market compared to the games that must wii owners wanted...
again check the online gaming forums...
i jz posted wut i read over there...
if u guys think that there is enough games on wii now, others still think otherwise and no point flaming them on that...
u CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE to like something...
there's way lots of nitendo fans out there and u are jz one of the fans...

i've even posted being optimistic for great games to come back to the old fans and YET i sitll get flames on the whole matter...  doh.gif

all i see is fanboys coming in bashing here and there jz to defend their consoles when there is no direct attack on the console in the first place...

ps: GT5 prolouge is much more than demo... its by far as polished as any other racing games up there and constantly being updated online... heck its content is even more than some released games on the market...

ps v2: go check out the list of 3rd parties game on the ps3 with decent to good review...

ps v3: look at this year's gaming awards for the wii platform...
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You are right on 1 thing up there, THERE ARE THIRTY FIVE MILLION WII FANS COMPARED TO SEVENTEEN MILLION PS3 FANS rclxs0.gif
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post Jan 1 2009, 11:31 PM

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Err, when my Avatar is me hugging MARIO, its pretty OBVIOUS I'm a Nintendo Fanboy tongue.gif

BTW of course I rub my hand in glee when Wii is kicking PEE@$$3.

Just like I celebrate when my team Man Utd won the premier league and UCL last season.

I have waited for 10 years hoping Ninty would come back into the forefront in this console business. My wait has been repaid when Wii are currently the best selling console.

I'M A NINTY FANBOY rclxm9.gif

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