I thought of clearing this myth. As most of you guys are pretty much aware, lots of people commented that FULL HDTV at screen size of 32" does not make much/if not any difference compared to a HD READY TV. I do agree to a certain extent. If we were to watch HD movies, 720P vs 1080P really don't make much difference on a 32" LCD TV. Though there's difference, it's hard to notice.

When it comes to GAMING, 1080P really shows it's potential. A person can really notice the difference between 720P vs 1080P resolution. I've actually tested a 1080P title (Grand Turismo 5 Prologue) on my 22" DELL HDMI monitor as well as my friend's 32" FULL HD TV. The difference is very obvious compared to a HD READY TV. The speedometer has less jagged lines, has smoother edge and crispier.

Although the downside is, there aren't many game ttiles out there that supports 1080P output thus not maximizing FULL HDTV's potential in gaming.

To all those 'sinkalan' out there, please explain properly before giving advise to new LCD TV buyers. Do not simply mention that 32" FULL HDTV is useless.

*I do expect some guys will flame me since what I am saying goes against some guys here in the forum. But hey! I've actually tested it on a 32"FULL HDTV, 32" HD READY TV and a 22" DELL HDMI monitor.

This post has been edited by Thrust: Dec 3 2008, 10:39 AM

Even in XMB itself you can see it is so much sharper in the fonts in 1080p compare to 720p on my 32" LG Series 53 Full HD TV

I agree the difference is HUGE on Gran Turismo 5 Prologue between 1080p and 720p, but not that noticeable on playing bluray movies.

The viewing distance also plays a role here, as I usually view my TV 3~4 feet away instead of the recommended 5feet+ for 32ers coz it is in my room.

If you're getting a 32" for your living room where typical viewing distance is at least 6 feet away, then normal 32" HD Ready should be enough.

It all boils down to whether or not you will want to throw another extra RM500 to get a full HD 32", as HD Ready 32" can get around RM1.7k wheres the cheapest 32" Full HD which is LG is at around 2.1k, followed by Samsung Series 5 RM2.6k+ and lastly Sony W RM3.4k+



This post has been edited by tanghm: Dec 3 2008, 10:43 AM

I'm always in the school that resolutions do make difference regardless of screen size. Try playing 800 x 600 on a 17" CRT, then switch to 1024 x 768 using the same monitor and tell me there's no difference

so which one considered the best??? the most worthit money can buy??

full hd?? HDMI monitor??? HD ready TV??

Try playing movie on your CRT using 800x600 and 1024x768 but sitting 5 feets away, then one can tell there is not much of a noticeable difference.

Again, viewing distance is a major factor here.

More on viewing distance: http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

This post has been edited by tanghm: Dec 3 2008, 10:46 AM

No matter what TV you are getting, always consider these 4:
1. Budget
2. Viewing distance
3. Viewing environment
4. Purpose

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Added on December 3, 2008, 10:49 amI can't believe someone will play game on a 17' CRT sitting more than 5 feet away from the monitor If someone actually does, he/she ought to be gunned down

This post has been edited by gundamalpha: Dec 3 2008, 10:50 AM

unless his/her eyes got like eagle eye

That's the point, computer monitor are meant to be viewed 1 feet away while TV are meant to be viewed few feets away at least that is why viewing distance is a factor when choosing LCD TV to be Full HD or not.

True true I guess that's the whole point of this thread

if there's not much games that support 1080p natively, how can it be useful?


from that link:
so even for 50" we need to sit 6.5 to see clearly the difference.

whats the viewing distance for you guys that using 32"?

which model number of the lg full hd are you refering to ? the scarlet series ? 32LG60 ? If this is the model you're referring to, then its full-Hd internationally but not in Malaysia. Here it is just HD ready.

I am sitting like 6 feet away from the screen on a 32" and the difference is obvious.

Ya, agree that not much games supports 1080P currently but future there should be more titles that supports 1080P. This thread was created merely to let potential buyers know that 720P vs 1080P resolution in gaming offers huge differences.

So you agree 1080p on a 32" is a no brainer?

32LG53FR-TD

Here is the picture of the model number, later you say this model doesn't exist.


That is the model number, not series 60 but series 53.

Those who say 1080p on 32" is useless perhaps they have never seen it in action before !!

I am viewing it in 3~5 feet away.

For PS3 games, 1080p games are beneficial because PS3 have no Anti-Aliasing support thus those games currently on 720p have very ugly jagged edges which are clearly noticeable. Take GT5P for example, the jagges lines are very obvious on 720p mode compare to 1080p, you can clearly see the difference even on a 32" Full HD

This post has been edited by tanghm: Dec 3 2008, 04:39 PM

i have my doubts.


so 1080p display on 32" only beneficial for ps3 owner?

Nop! If XBOX 360 is able to support 1080P natively, it will benefit XBOX360 too

What is your LCD monitor native res again? (refering to original poster)

Mine is 720P. I bought it cos of those 'sinkalan' forummers simply saying that 32" FULL HD LCD TV don't make much difference.
That is why I am creating this thread to advise others before buying a LCD TV

hello all.. before we kick the ball around, can someone post some pics of the actual screen shots with camera off a 32" FULL HD(not 1080p but support 1080p) vs a 22" Dell hdmi monitor.

even i play Burnout Paradise, 720p on my 32" clearly shows some jagged lines.. when i switch to 1080p , jagged line is lesser but hardly noticeable when everything is fast.

im using a Bravia 32S400A.. some regrets buying it.. but not gonna change it.. yet.

is satisfy my needs for being wide screen to view wide screen videos while with some enjoyable gaming sessions. it's a pain if all u guys want is no jagged lines bla bla bla... get a full HD 1080p LCD instead

This post has been edited by unrealweapon: Dec 4 2008, 08:37 AM

Your Sony S 32" supports 1080p input but scaled down the image to 720p resolution.

Thrust's Sharp Aquous completely shows No Signal when 1080p is used as input.

So based on your experience, the jagged lines indeed are less noticeable even on 1366x720 resolution displaying a scaled down 1080p input.

This post has been edited by tanghm: Dec 4 2008, 09:50 AM

This might be slightly out of context but related never the less. IMHO the best LCD TV for gaming purpose are the ones with both Full HD (1080p) and 100/120Hz refresh rate. Both features play an important role in image quality depending on the user preferences/requirements. Still images benefit from Full HD while fast moving images (sports,games..action movie) will benefit from the high refresh rate. The difference between a Full HD & HD Ready LCD is not that noticable on a 32" unless you have really good eyes or be really nitpicking about it (It's a different story on a 50"+ though as there are less jagged lines). A 100/120Hz refresh display panel improves the picture quality by creating extra frames so sometimes even on a HD ready with 100/120Hz when a fast moving object is displayed it will be much clearer compared to a blur motion on a Full HD display without 100/120Hz. In conclusion if you have the budget go for both Full HD & 100/120Hz panel. If not I would suggest go Full HD for general viewing (Blu-ray,DVD) purpose and 100/120Hz panel for sports/action movie/gaming.

Don't mean to question your statement but 60Hz/100Hz/120Hz all looks too identical to me My eyes can't catch up with higher refresh rates I guess

I usually rely on the link that provided in the earlier page.

At this point, my opinion is that any alleged noticeable difference is subjective. You can say there is a difference ALL YOU WANT, but if the other person doesn't see it then it doesn't exist.

Basically I'm all for 1080p sets - but since the distance quoted in the link is what the average user does, I'm still not really convinced. If however, it works for you, then by all means continue to do so. My eyes aren't that sharp to notice minute differences on a 32" screen.

I'm saving up for a 50" for that

most importantly.. check your budget before buying one... poor man's setup is never better than a rich man's setup

Haha, what you say is true also. This I strongly agree.

of coz this comparison is flawed from the beginning.. I doubt there is a true 720p TV in the local market (unless you are using 720p projector)... more like 1366x768 for the current crop of panels

any one who knows LCD monitors and computers knows is best to drive the resolution same as your LCDs native resolution to get the optimal effect....

so driving 1280x720 (720p) data into a 1366x768 LCD panel is bound to have up-scaling and alisiang artifacts...

finally who also will know it's better to go with more resolution if have to choose between a HDready 1366x768 vs 1920x1080p TV panel...
it's really a matter of costs and how much you willing to fork out..

Bro, the argument here is on 32" panels (HD READY vs FULL HD). If you are aware, there's a lot of folks that says both panel don't make much difference due to the small panel size. I stand by my word that 32" FULL HD TV does make a lot of difference in gaming compared to 32" HD READY TV provided the games are able to run at 1080P.

well it comes down to how far you sitting back to be able to see the difference... why do you think 24 inch LCD monitors got 1920x1080p or more, cos you are like 1-1.5feet away..
also as you said, the source (in this case the game) needs to be 1080p originally... how frequent is that? (not taking sides but I'm sure some folks derived their simplistic conclusion from playing many normal 720p games hence they feel not much improvement over HD ready TVs)

so it also depends on your "source collection" of viewing materials and games.

some folks derived their simplistic conclusion from playing many normal 720p games hence they feel not much improvement over HD ready TVs


I agree on the bold statement

This post has been edited by Thrust: Dec 4 2008, 11:35 PM

hehe sure mah!... if all you have is 720p sources from video and games.. then getting we wont really gain much more image definition moving up to 1080p screens

it all depends on your distance from the screen, if i were put my face in front of (or touching) any screen, i would gladly differentiate full hd and super ultra hd, IF BOTH pixel are of different color (or subcolor watever).

so full hd matters to ppl who sits nearer than 4 feet / 1.2 meters from the screen but not to the person / ppl who actually sits further from it.

of course, its really not recommended to sit so near to the screen. so u get wat i mean, dont take it like a text book. =)

wat is sinkalan??

and i try google the model 32LG53FR-TD
but seems i only getting reply with some ancient like thai word only

Here is the 32" LG Full HD technical details.

http://www.in.lge.com/Product/Products-Det...&subcat=LG%2053

I just receive news that this model is currently selling below RM2k now !!

I just hook my PC and play COD:WaW at 1920x1080, the result is simply stunning !!

This post has been edited by tanghm: Dec 9 2008, 02:35 AM

Is there a difference between 32" Full HD and HD Ready....of course there is a difference!!! The resolution is different. But can anyone tell the difference from 7ft to 10ft away? The answer is no unless you pause the screen and go close up to 1ft-2ft to examine it So there is no difference when it comes actual picture quality during NORMAL viewing.

I know that a lot of people here are playing their PS3 using 32" LCD like 3 to 5 feet away from the screen but that is just too close. This are TV and you don't sit right in front like you do with your PC monitor.

Do you watch Tv from 5ft distance only? I suppose not. Most people sit at least 10ft away from their TV.

One last thing...just play the damn game and stop staring to find if there is any jaggies!

lolz.. true...

1080i vs. 1080p

That is the main question.

Interlaced vs. Progessive.

I sit 3~5 feet away coz I'm using it in my room. If you wanna go Full HD on your living room, please go for at least 40"++, 32" Full HD is not for you if you're planning to use it in your living room with at least 7~10 feet away.

Don't say I'll go blind watching my TV so near, I don't care, I love the extra detail.

To me, it is like a big computer monitor @_@

To see the difference, i'd guess games that CAN display 1080P natively, then there should be difference.

Otherwise, most games will certainly scale it down to 720P.

*Hint Hint*

GT5 Prologue @ 1080p

Other game is Metal Gear Solid 4...

Full HD...

But i think better wait for PS4 for Full HD game...

In 10 year in the future...

TQ

Thereotically@engineering side of coz got difference. The question is whether your eyes can notice or not . If can notice buy la FULL HD, if kenot buy jela HD READY. Jimat sket duit .

Ini pun mau gaduh2 ker ?

Bro saiga, ini bukan gaduh tapi berdebat

that's a different topic altogether..

Benda fakta mana buleh debat . Mmg kenyataan 1080p lagi lawa dari 720p.

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Added on December 12, 2008, 10:51 pmAgreed bro . This guy really sesat .

This post has been edited by saiga: Dec 12 2008, 10:51 PM

Hey guys, any 1080p TV that is cheap??? my budget like 1k below

waa 1k and below? ade ker? at least 2000-3000 bracketlah baru ada good model!

wahh...tak nak overspend la..budget 1k below je...maybe 720p TV?? boleh dapat bape?? paling murah?? nk sangat HDTV ni utk main ps3

the cheapest i seen for a 720p TV is still above ur budget.
u could try to wait for a few more months maybe by mid 2010, there might be 1 within ur budget....

if that's the case get a 23" 1080p lcd monitor such as the Acer H233H then.

1080p dell st2410 maybe..

dint find any review for it yet..

1080 on PS3 makes a huge difference?

I thought PS3 doesn't do 1080 natively, but just upscales it? Correct me if I am wrong.

Wait for the next console war, dunno god knows what resolution will be native by then

That would be 2560 x 1080 (21:9 screen ratio)... LCD OLED TV by Philips

http://gadgetblips.dailyradar.com/story/ph...21-9-with-oled/

This post has been edited by neoardi: Sep 15 2009, 03:24 PM

PS3 can do 1080p. bluray movies are 1080p as well as certain games like ninja gaiden sigma and metal gear solid 4.
however, PS3 doesn't upscale 720p games. games like eternal sonata, valkyria chronicles, little big planet and resistance 2 still output at 720p. checked with my monitor.
the graphics are not sharp and have jaggies at the model edges. sony didn't include an upscaler in the ps3.lack of foresight on their part.not to be an xbot fanboi but the graphics on the xbox have more detail and look better. the only advantage ps3 has is that the cgs are of higher bitrate so they don't look pixellated. example batman arkham asylum.
and the sound quality is better. all due to the space afforded by the blu ray format.

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Added on September 15, 2009, 4:11 pmthey can't even do 1080p properly and you still want the resolution to go higher?
my guess is that 1080p is still used. see all those full hd tvs sold. u want to ignore them?

they do games at 1080p but since the tech is more powerful, all those graphical effects are used as much as possible until the games look photorealistic.
16x AA and AF, high res textures and effects and ray tracing, rasterisation etc...

This post has been edited by deathninjax: Sep 15 2009, 04:11 PM

Here's a quickie: Currently using a computer 24" LCD monitor (Samsung T240 Full HD) for my PS3 and XBox 360 gaming session.

I sit about 1 metre from the LCD. Is this the "optimum" viewing distance?

Regards, Joey

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Sep 16 2009, 02:24 PM

when i first saw this tv, i thought it would be fantastic to watch movies in their intended format-black bar less.

but after seeing it for real,it needs some getting used to.

that and games would look downright weird on that tv

1 meter too far d. For LCD monitor, you'll just need sit maybe just 1/2 meter away to have a better experience.. hehehe

This post has been edited by Thrust: Sep 16 2009, 10:37 PM

Come on guys. Its really only depend on ur budget..
1080p ofcos is better than 720p.
Who cares no much games native resolution is 1080p? How u know so sure in the future most games wont have 1080p?
If so then by that time full HD tv user will laugh at HD ready lor..

Im a LCD/PLasma tv salesman..if my customer can afford FULL HD takkan i wan stop them n ask them buy HD ready
And 5ft is exactly the proper distance to view 32". 10ft and above can buy 40"++ alrdy. If not mata also sakit
LCD is not CRT no radiation watch close distance also wont die 1

I'm not sure about it. I did the calculation and if I'm not mistaken, the preferable distance for viewing a 24" LCD monitor while playing game is 1.8 metres away.

Regards, Joey

Why not? when will the next batch be?

Remember PS3 is using 2006 technology of GPUs

better for ordinary LCD not the Full HD one.....how about HD Ready...i think the image also look nice and sharp...

Liew Freddy, how old are you? You understanding about PS3/XBOX360 displaying on LCD TV is totally wrong. Both consoles look great displaying on LCD TV compared to CRT.

Best LCD TV is of course FULL HD panel. Equipped with the right software (games running at 1080p), the result will be stunning.

If a particular game can only output at 720P, it doesn't matter FULL or HD Ready TV, both should look exactly the same (Not taking the quality of the panel into consideration ).

This post has been edited by Thrust: Sep 22 2009, 10:48 AM

720p might be good enough for games, but are you really going to buy a TV just for games?

If you are, buy monitor cukup la

I don't think there is 1080p xbox games...

Xbox got hardware scaler, so most games will look better on a 1080p TV.

hardware scaler???ANA chip???haha i thought it is use only to make xbox got e74 then people need to buy new xbox so M$ can make more money

the new LED TV so niceeeee...

$$

I decide to buy Sony Full HD LCD 32" for RM2999 but no stock...have to wait until Dec....