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post Nov 30 2008, 11:24 PM


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I tried applied for so many job but still no reply, result not good?.....sigh
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:26 PM


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of course can
i'm second class lower, too
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:29 PM


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Emmm..given the economy situation faced by many countries, it's quite discourage for MNC company to hire fresh grad for work....so I think you need to be patient
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of cause you can, the question is how you can handle your interview or not. be confident but not overdoing it. show that your determination and tell then you are versatile and willing to learn new stuff. not to be choosy too. with current economy, just grab any job out there for the experience. heheh I'm a 2nd lower graduate too... now working with Sime Darby tongue.gif
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:33 PM


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Dont worry
CGPA not the first criteria that employers look at..
Credibility, ability to work etc.. is much more important when finding jobs

hope you get hire !!
good luck!! icon_idea.gif
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:38 PM


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QUOTE(eric84cool @ Nov 30 2008, 11:29 PM)
Emmm..given the economy situation faced by many countries, it's quite discourage for MNC company to hire fresh grad for work....so I think you need to be patient
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I am applying non-MNC only, dun dare apply MNC.
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:40 PM


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My CGPA very low also, jus pass only.. But i manage to get a job...
Just be confident when interview..
good luck

But i applied Sony, the manager said my CGPA really low sad.gif
Now stil under consideration...

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post Nov 30 2008, 11:41 PM


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result is not everything...
i'm also a second class lower grad..but i got job once i grad...
try to add some more skills into your resume...the important thing is how you doing in interview...
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:44 PM


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when u a fresh grad, cgpa almost the first criteria in considering u for an interview session. what u can do is write a better cv. make it more impressive. and think of tonnes of reason y ur cgpa is low......part time job, family issues........wink.gif
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:44 PM


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screw the grades...
What good is grade if he/she can't work,talk,express him/herself.
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:57 PM


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QUOTE(Maxd38 @ Nov 30 2008, 11:40 PM)
My CGPA very low also, jus pass only.. But i manage to get a job...
Just be confident when interview..
good luck

But i applied Sony, the manager said my CGPA really low  sad.gif
Now stil under consideration...
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maybe you can just wait for their confirmation
if they really reject, you can try for a small company cos small company doesn't really concern on CGPA, they need someone who is hardworking
don't mind how much they pay
dump yourselves in the small company and learn everything
2 years later your value will double as what your CGPA is
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post Nov 30 2008, 11:57 PM


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as long as u don be too choosy, surely can grab a job. But nowadays market not so good, so better fast fast grab a job. -.- Good luck to u , TS
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post Dec 1 2008, 09:48 AM


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yupe... agree... second lower cant really demand alot from employer...
I think you can consider yourself lucky to get 2k from a small company, dont think any big MNC would even look at your resume now... Try start from small / medium company work hard and proof yourself. When you are ready then MNC will come hunting for you.....

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post Dec 1 2008, 09:54 AM


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To TS, I am 3rd class holder.

So what? I deal with servers now.

Big MNC?

So what? Their work sucks, and they always hire you as contractor without benefit.

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post Dec 1 2008, 09:56 AM


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QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Nov 30 2008, 11:44 PM)
screw the grades...
What good is grade if he/she can't work,talk,express him/herself.
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Grade is very important for freshgrad...with a good grade you can apply and join any company or even choose any jobs you like (good grade give u more choices), in the other hand without a good grade you might end up jobless once you graduated..... however once you start working then other factors come into count.
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post Dec 1 2008, 10:34 AM


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I am a second lower class graduates, to tell u, I got a lot interviews from MNCs and GLCs like MISC Berhad, Public Bank, Boustead, Sime Darby, Kenanga Deutch, MCIS Zurich Insurance and several others medium and small companies. ( Mind you, all the positions offer are relevant to my degree which is accounting)

Not that like I am talking cock but to share with you, the key is send as many applications and please doing very well, try to impress the interviewers. Believe me, you will succeed. Thank God, currently, I am working with one of the GLCs.

And please don't look down on yourself by sending application to small company only. Nobody's know about your fate because it's all depend on you..

Good luck and all the best! thumbup.gif

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post Dec 1 2008, 11:07 AM


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QUOTE(killingspree @ Dec 1 2008, 10:34 AM)
I am a second lower class graduates, to tell u, I got a lot interviews from MNCs and GLCs like MISC Berhad, Public Bank, Boustead, Sime Darby, Kenanga Deutch, MCIS Zurich Insurance  and several others medium and small companies. ( Mind you, all the positions offer are relevant to my degree which is accounting)

Not that like  I am talking cock but to share with you, the key is send as many applications and please doing very well, try to impress the interviewers. Believe me, you will succeed. Thank God, currently, I am working with one of the GLCs.

And please don't look down on yourself by sending application to small company only. Nobody's know about your fate because it's all depend on you..

Good luck and all the best!  thumbup.gif
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He totally nailed the "No harm in trying" statement.
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post Dec 1 2008, 11:16 AM


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The market is pretty bad TS. I have so many in my class who got first class and second upper but still jobless after 6 months of graduating. Those with third class or second lower seemed to be getting the jobs faster.

I myself just got a job offer after going through so many interviews. I was so fed up actually until i reach a level where i did not bother preparing for the last few interviews. The funny part was the jobs i got were those that i did not prepare for during the interview.

It's the employers market now not the employees. What i'm trying to say here is don't give up. smile.gif
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post Dec 1 2008, 11:21 AM


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yup true.. i also got the job which i didnt really hope to get..those im hoping like mad juz didnt call me or didnt make it through the interview..sometimes the less u try the bigger the chance..dunno why so weird but its like dat
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post Dec 1 2008, 11:29 AM


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can get a job.... be patient , dont lost your direction.

No a must to start at MNC , gain your exp and finally u will be somebody at somewhere else.
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post Dec 1 2008, 11:30 AM


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This is a cruel cruel world.

If you were applying MNC job, the HR/Admin will first look at ur cgpa. They dont know you, so CGPA is the first filter.

Then after that the admin will pass it over to manager(qualified CGPA >3.0 for example) . Finally the manager will review it.

My CGPA was 3.0, my ex manager told me mine was the lowest among the candidate he had. Just perform during the interview. If you are good they will know else.... go back learn more smile.gif
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post Dec 1 2008, 01:10 PM


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TS, u must set ur objective clear.

dun simply grab job tat is offered to u thinking u do that for temporary like chinese says ride bull find horse.

at times, very hard to change path once u chosed....
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post Dec 1 2008, 04:45 PM


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QUOTE(Living_Cafe @ Dec 1 2008, 09:56 AM)
Grade is very important for freshgrad...with a good grade you can apply and join any company or even choose any jobs you like (good grade give u more choices), in the other hand without a good grade you might end up jobless once you graduated..... however once you start working then other factors come into count.
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Important for those that thinks that getting in MNC after grad is a great thing which ensure their future.
There are tons of decent companies out there that doesn't need you to be first class to apply.

A lot people saying 'a lot first class also can't get job'
Ever thought of why they can't get a job?

Why so many 2nd lower or third class can get a job?

The grade just merely help you to make the HR fella to look at your resume for a little longer. Throw in some 'spices/pepper/sauce/kicap' at other section/parts if you can't bold your grades in the resume and during interviews
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post Dec 1 2008, 08:34 PM


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QUOTE(IEE @ Nov 30 2008, 11:38 PM)
I am applying non-MNC only, dun dare apply MNC.
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Applying non-MNC only and still can't get job?
Something must be wrong somewhere.
Small companies definitely don't care much about your cgpa
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post Dec 1 2008, 08:44 PM


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QUOTE(aragorn.yoong @ Dec 1 2008, 08:34 PM)
Applying non-MNC only and still can't get job?
Something must be wrong somewhere.
Small companies definitely don't care much about your cgpa
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i think because my grade is nearer to third class.
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post Dec 1 2008, 10:37 PM


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QUOTE(silverwave @ Dec 1 2008, 11:16 AM)
The market is pretty bad TS. I have so many in my class who got first class and second upper but still jobless after 6 months of graduating. Those with third class or second lower seemed to be getting the jobs faster.

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Maybe the ones with third or second lower class degrees are more humble and realistic in asked salary?
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post Dec 2 2008, 12:27 AM


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I do think that attitude is always more important than education achievements.
Accept offers which is not that good, and work it out from there.
Your employer will value your effort and adjust accordingly.
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post Dec 2 2008, 01:32 PM


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CGPA is not so important.Experience is important but since you have none,you have to have something that other grads don't have.Eg. extra certificates(you can check with local colleges they sometimes give free courses), other working experience(any part-time jobs even not related to your field).If you work for KFC also can help you.

Another thing is to be confident.Show the interviewers that you are eager to learn from them.

Good Luck! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Dec 1 2008, 04:45 PM)
Important for those that thinks that getting in MNC after grad is a great thing which ensure their future.
There are tons of decent companies out there that doesn't need you to be first class to apply.

A lot people saying 'a lot first class also can't get job'
Ever thought of why they can't get a job?

Why so many 2nd lower or third class can get a job?

The grade just merely help you to make the HR fella to look at your resume for a little longer. Throw in some 'spices/pepper/sauce/kicap' at other section/parts if you can't bold your grades in the resume and during interviews
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Don't you think our tertiary education standards are getting lower these days ? There are a bunch of 1st class degree holders and abundant of 2nd class upper too. Yet some of them aren't competent enough in soft skills department and lacking in real world conversational English. You can't impress interviewer if you talk ahpek style manglish.

QUOTE(IEE @ Dec 1 2008, 08:44 PM)
i think because my grade is nearer to third class.
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I once like you too but I've managed to bounce back even better than some of my friends who got better results.

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post Dec 2 2008, 03:51 PM


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QUOTE(igor_is300 @ Dec 2 2008, 03:37 PM)
Don't you think our tertiary education standards are getting lower these days ? There are a bunch of 1st class degree holders and abundant of 2nd class upper too. Yet some of them aren't competent enough in soft skills department and lacking in real world conversational English. You can't impress interviewer if you talk ahpek style manglish.
I once like you too but I've managed to bounce back even better than some of my friends who got better results.
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3rd class here though i'm near 2 2nd lower, 2.4k pay consultant engineer.
Working well enough so far. Says who bad results lose out in society?
I dun see 1st class students doing any better, maybe a couple of hundreds more, but does dat count in a long run?
Not every successful fellas r 1st class, dun be surprise see many 1st class working for da 3rd class ppl.
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QUOTE(Malefic @ Dec 1 2008, 10:37 PM)
Maybe the ones with third or second lower class degrees are more humble and realistic in asked salary?
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Nope, those with second upper and first class were only aiming for huge MNC's. Once they had no jobs for a long time, they started trying their luck in small companies. The third and second lower class instead applied for smaller companies too.
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post Dec 7 2008, 02:40 AM


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sure can la...dun worry..in fact pandai study not = pandai work for sure de ma.....mostly they look towards ur interview(speaking) and politeness.im 2nd upper...and my fren with 1st class not seems too get higher salary...for me...actually is the same.
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post Dec 7 2008, 03:07 AM


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dude, im a third class class grad ....

i got hired after 5 interviews ...... 3 of them were successful, one in a finance company, engineer and a management trainee ..... i picked the second one more towards what i studied in U.

so far i see most interviewer don't really care what ur cgpa are .... most of them are concern on the way u answered their question ..... they're looking for someone who really now their stuff .... know what they studied ....and the project they involved in .....

and another thing do ur homework and be honest, the interviewer is experienced people they know when u lying, and by the way don't be cocky, most 1st class and 2nd class upper are arrogant *******, arrogant with peers and arrogant with the interviewer .... my mom works in hr for 15 year handling hiring and training .... most 1st class are arrogant and and demanding .... they are the first to be rejected ....


Added on December 7, 2008, 3:15 amby the way .... why target big big company ....

just try to find a job that u like and suits u ......

my housemate working in a big company.... always got home tired ....always complain how he hates his job ...... well he made a lot of money but still ... huhu .... just think about it 1st .... ur job shouldn't be ur life

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post Dec 7 2008, 10:22 AM


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At least u have a degree, i know ppl with no degree and just a diploma and their earning around USD10-20k in the engineering field. Usually in engineering, the most valuable thing is either experience or your specialized certification. Such as if you have a TWI weld inspection cert, radiography cert or phased array cert. You can even be an inspector for OHSA and work around the world on contract basis and earn quite abit of money in USD since those positions are currently in demand due to safety requirements for the workplace.

If i knew i could get these certifications without my degree, i would have done the certs rather then waste my time on my degree since their more prized in the employment field plus you can take the certs while working since the requirements for those certs include how many hours of work in the related field that your required to achieve b4 getting certification. Plus i also get experience on the job as well.
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post Dec 7 2008, 10:54 AM


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Keep up your mind...tell your mind u can get a great job...dun look down to your ownself...Result = Nothing...
Mindset = Everything
U must have a clear and energetic mind...
And keep on tell yourself u can do it...
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QUOTE(IEE @ Dec 1 2008, 08:44 PM)
i think because my grade is nearer to third class.
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What is your major?
If you're not choosy and are willing to accept lower starting salary I'm sure you can get a job.
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Always the usual stuff. Grades not everything bla bla bla...soft skill/attitude more important bla bla..

I totally agreed. But please, let's make things straight for people that still in their degree. Please do work hard for your grades.

And what with all this stereotyping? 1st class = cocky & arrogant? lmao

Have anyone ever wonder that the "willingness" of employers to accept grads that are subpar to their standard requirement might actually due to the fact that Malaysia's tertiary education system sucks? Imagine after years and years of hiring and interviewing, they probably are tired of it. "Heck..fcuk it. Let's just simply hire and train them"

@TS - just send applications as much as possible. Like others said, no harm in trying. Doesn't cost you to send a letter or email to them.
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Hello everyone smile.gif Tumpang topic tongue.gif


I'm a diploma in marketing holder(from tar college). My CGPA is 3.3. I'll be taking the professional course CIM(chartered institute of marketing) which is a part time course (class on weekends). Am I able to get a job? Where should I try? I saw alot of shop like G2000,Zara,TOpshop in shopping complex like pavilion,klcc and 1utama got vacancy for positions like shop assistant,retail assistant,supervisor,assistant manager and many more. Is my qualification enough for those positions? And roughly what kind of pay I'll be getting? Above or below 1k?

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all of you at least got diploma/degree,but me,i finished my form 5,passed SPM,didn't got the chance to further my study cause my family got financial problem,but whenever i go interview,the interviewer will ask me,why you didn't further your study?

I was very sad when i heard that, but i still give the same answer.
Is it if you do not have diploma/degree cert, you cannot get better job/offer?
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QUOTE(terryykf @ Dec 7 2008, 01:29 PM)
all of you at least got diploma/degree,but me,i finished my form 5,passed SPM,didn't got the chance to further my study cause my family got financial problem,but whenever i go interview,the interviewer will ask me,why you didn't further your study?

I was very sad when i heard that, but i still give the same answer.
Is it if you do not have diploma/degree cert, you cannot get better job/offer?
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Don't get disheartened terryykf. There are many opportunities out there to further your studies. You just have to actively look for them by any means necessary. Google is your best friend!


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Hello everyone  smile.gif Tumpang topic  tongue.gif
I'm a diploma in marketing holder(from tar college). My CGPA is 3.3. I'll be taking the professional course CIM(chartered institute of marketing) which is a part time course (class on weekends). Am I able to get a job? Where should I try? I saw alot of shop like G2000,Zara,TOpshop in shopping complex like pavilion,klcc and 1utama got vacancy for positions like shop assistant,retail assistant,supervisor,assistant manager and many more. Is my qualification enough for those positions? And roughly what kind of pay I'll be getting? Above or below 1k?

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I don't think those positions require one to have the professional qualification. What you need is the ability to promote their products and some sales experience.

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QUOTE(terryykf @ Dec 7 2008, 01:29 PM)
all of you at least got diploma/degree,but me,i finished my form 5,passed SPM,didn't got the chance to further my study cause my family got financial problem,but whenever i go interview,the interviewer will ask me,why you didn't further your study?

I was very sad when i heard that, but i still give the same answer.
Is it if you do not have diploma/degree cert, you cannot get better job/offer?
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There are alot of companies willing to offer full scholarships. You could have tried applying too. Some of my uni pals come from very very poor family. Literally can say average income for the family is less than 2k. But this friend of mine tried applying for a scholarship and got it. Now graduated and work in a MNC while improving the lives of his parent as well as his siblings. Who say poverty constrains one's success. you just need to look hard around, & someone will appreciate you.

If you'd tried numerous scholarship submission yet turn out vain. I take back my words.
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i juz completed my 3rd year exam and went for half a dozen interviews. all from diff sorts of company, becoz i sent out dozen of resume and basically wanted to get as much interview experience as possible without accepting the offer of the one that i'm not interested. i know i'm wasted everybody time, but .....

last friday went to a MNC company for interview, and they didn't event look at my result. they straight away started the interview and ask standard interview question ad some behavioral/IQ question and we discuss about their current company project. later on, we spent another half and hour talking about my hobbies n volunteering work. the next day, they call me up for some sort of computer evaluation test.

so basically what result i got? i dunno. my result haven't been release yet, i juz sent my resume, stating 'pending result', add lotsa activities and prior working experience. and i got bunch of calls.

and i got 2 job offered without having a result to show

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Don't get disheartened terryykf. There are many opportunities out there to further your studies. You just have to actively look for them by any means necessary. Google is your best friend!


ya,i agree also....i really hope i can find job in banking line,then i will try my best to take some course to improve myself...


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There are alot of companies willing to offer full scholarships. You could have tried applying too. Some of my uni pals come from very very poor family. Literally can say average income for the family is less than 2k. But this friend of mine tried applying for a scholarship and got it. Now graduated and work in a MNC while improving the lives of his parent as well as his siblings. Who say poverty constrains one's success. you just need to look hard around, & someone will appreciate you.

If you'd tried numerous scholarship submission yet turn out vain. I take back my words.
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I agree with you.But i am still not familiar with the scolarship offered by those big company....maybe will have to improve myself...
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if u got more experience in any company,it is easier to u to get other job easily,,,

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well i dun think results r tat important. its really really important if u do well in ur interviews. i just got diploma n my results damn s*cks. however most of the interviews i've gone thru didnt really much focus on my results. ppl r more concern on how's ur working attitude n capability on work. others aint tat important as u've tot.
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I tried applied for so many job but still no reply, result not good?.....sigh
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some stated there on jobstreet or watever minimal degree holder but the fact is my fren went to interview with a diploma and they dun give a damm instead straight proceed to interview i think was forgotten which comp was it and he got it paying 2.8k p.a for a fresh graduate like him is quite ok and to add on he is diploma holder..it depends how u interact with the recruitment staff or the interviewer sometimes..juz take an example ure a salesman the interviewer is the customer and start ur conversation and persue him/her to buy ur product this is wat i learnt
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second class lower graduate??? why not???? my grade is 2nd lower class but i can get a decent job....dont expect high basic salary payment...
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my fren 2nd class lower kenot get job after 5 interbius
haaiiihhh, he said wanna plan go back to his old job as a card dealer in genting
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y some fresh grad can get so high pay 1 like 2.8k...damn jelous..how did they do it i wonder
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mine got 2nd class lower diploma , but i got more than 60k salary per annum wink.gif


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I think if interview that time perform good thn should be fine... one of my colleague here damn good selling himself and boss like it thn hire him... and after 1 years... is not like what he mention in his interview... failed badly... kena second warning letter... woot woot... first staff ever in my company received warning letter and he got 2!!! roxxor!!!
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got 1-2 of my frens purposely go back to skool again to take a few subjects in hope to bump up their cgpa over 3 pointer


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This will depend very much on the roles/jobs that you are hiring to do and certain company they will look into your results as fresh graduates. Nevertheless you might not have a good result, but attitude come first!

2nd option is to study master if you think "certificates" or academic is really important at one point of time. e.g. management level is MNC (not all).
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Based on my experience, when you first write in, you have to remember there are hundreds writting in also. Since yours is not that special..you have to make it special. Despite the result, all still need to go through interview. Best thing is instead of writting in, go to the spot and ask for interview. Normally, that works the best than waiting at home for months without news. I once wrote to motorola...heck, took em 6 months to reply me for interview but reject cause got another job already lol.
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I think if interview that time perform good thn should be fine... one of my colleague here damn good selling himself and boss like it thn hire him... and after 1 years... is not like what he mention in his interview... failed badly... kena second warning letter... woot woot... first staff ever in my company received warning letter and he got 2!!! roxxor!!!
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I tried applied for so many job but still no reply, result not good?.....sigh
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Like so many others have said, results don't matter these days. So long as you can do the job, and do the job well, people will hire you. Some people "get it" and some people don't. If you "get it" you won't ever be short of a job.

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Grades does not guarantee you for any jobs. The judgement & chances of you get employed is depend upon your interview performance. For academic point of view, it depends on your luck how the respective organisation weight academic for the appointed jobs requirement.

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QUOTE(CarroTT @ Dec 10 2008, 11:44 AM)
got 1-2 of my frens purposely go back to skool again to take a few subjects in hope to bump up their cgpa over 3 pointer
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lol. i can't wait to get away from my campus.

i wil rather accept job from smaller company and get working experience. tongue.gif


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some stated there on jobstreet or watever minimal degree holder but the fact is my fren went to interview with a diploma and they dun give a damm instead straight proceed to interview i think was forgotten which comp was it and he got it paying 2.8k p.a for a fresh graduate like him is quite ok and to add on he is diploma holder..it depends how u interact with the recruitment staff or the interviewer sometimes..juz take an example ure a salesman the interviewer is the customer and start ur conversation and persue him/her to buy ur product this is wat i learnt
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i don't care what they state in the requirement, wether is 3.0 or totally different degree.

i juz submit my resume if i like that job scope. no harm in trying. the point is get as many interviews as possible so later u can make the choice later.

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QUOTE(kornelius @ Dec 10 2008, 11:38 AM)
I think if interview that time perform good thn should be fine... one of my colleague here damn good selling himself and boss like it thn hire him... and after 1 years... is not like what he mention in his interview... failed badly... kena second warning letter... woot woot... first staff ever in my company received warning letter and he got 2!!! roxxor!!!
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lol. i kinda fall into that category also. got this interviewer ask me to give a real life example of how i lead a team in school. i can't bear to say i never did such thing b4. so basically i add some salt and pepper to my life experience. some true some fake.

the interviewers are so convinced by me that they offer me an even better position that the one i apply for. they said 'since you sound so confident in presentation, do u like a job that help the company to train the technical staff?'. i was like " ohmy.gif ".

but anyway, i got myself another offer from another company doing a 'safer' job. so i didn't risk mysef from accepting the 'challenge'. tongue.gif
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wahaha..to much goreng can be really dangerous aa..

i added salt pepper oso..but not too much la. it's focusing on certain aspects of my life oni..and forgetting to say the weak side..smile.gif
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Good perception you have. If all the graduates has this perception as you, the jobless percentage can be reduce. You has the right attitude. Keep it up...
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y some fresh grad can  get so high pay 1 like 2.8k...damn jelous..how did they do it i wonder
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Good perception you have. If all the graduates has this perception as you, the jobless percentage can be reduce. You has the right attitude. Keep it up...
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Honestly, with my huge debt (educational loan) and this economy crisis, i'm desperate for any job that comes in hand. but after attending nearly a dozen interviews, the difficult part is to reject some of the offers, while still wanted to maintain a good relationship, juz incase i might come in touch with them in the future.

got an interviewer even ask me 'what salary the other company offer you? we might be able to give that too'
unsure.gif honestly, i feels so bad. coz i dunno what kind of nice excuse to come out with.

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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Dec 11 2008, 11:13 PM)
Honestly, with my huge debt (educational loan) and this economy crisis, i'm desperate for any job that comes in hand. but after attending nearly a dozen interviews, the difficult part is to reject some of the offers, while still wanted to maintain a good relationship, juz incase i might come in touch with them in the future.

got an interviewer even ask me 'what salary the other company offer you? we might be able to give that too'
unsure.gif  honestly, i feels so bad. coz i dunno what kind of nice excuse to come out with.
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Yeah. Whenever one tries to add salt & paper, make sure the base is written in the resume, or else some interviewers might be skeptic.

I too encounter a counter offer from a company which I'd rejected. Salary wise was good, but prospect and career was not. Luckly I'd not accepted it or else I would have join the others kena retrench.
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Yea, with diploma some more. How lucky.  hmm.gif
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of course can....if you think only 1st class or 2nd class upper can get job then many thousand of people will be jobless sweat.gif employer now look at experience and also how u express yourself in interview...and also do not get nervous...be confident that is all rclxms.gif
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waaarrghhhhhh, i m underpaid ! ! ! ! !! ! cry.gif
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Good perception you have. If all the graduates has this perception as you, the jobless percentage can be reduce. You has the right attitude. Keep it up...
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so lying about the things you wrote in your resume is a good thing?
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so lying about the things you wrote in your resume is a good thing?
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everything i wrote in the resume is true, with all the cert as backup.

only sometime during the interview, i got too carried away tongue.gif


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waaarrghhhhhh, i m underpaid ! ! ! ! !! !  cry.gif
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i'm sure u're not underpaid, since u said u only work 10% laugh.gif

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i work 10%, but they hire me coz they enjoy my company mar
i m sure my companion is worth much more tongue.gif
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QUOTE(silverwave @ Dec 1 2008, 11:16 AM)
The market is pretty bad TS. I have so many in my class who got first class and second upper but still jobless after 6 months of graduating. Those with third class or second lower seemed to be getting the jobs faster.

I myself just got a job offer after going through so many interviews. I was so fed up actually until i reach a level where i did not bother preparing for the last few interviews. The funny part was the jobs i got were those that i did not prepare for during the interview.

It's the employers market now not the employees. What i'm trying to say here is don't give up. smile.gif
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The main reason why 1st class grads doesn't get jobs because these people still tend to find better offer if offered the job.Meaning,the company will waste money on training fresh grads that is not loyal(sad,but 1st class grad tend to do that) And most universities grads fail PR -.- only study2 other things don't want do,go for sports and games la,co-cu...
I'm still studying though(currently and hopefully can maintain 1st class),got this tip from my prof:
Loyalty will be your key asset to strive for jobs(stress on this point during interviews)^^ Good luck to you

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The main reason why 1st class grads doesn't get jobs because these people still tend to find better offer if offered the job.Meaning,the company will waste money on training fresh grads that is not loyal(sad,but 1st class grad tend to do that) And most universities grads fail PR -.- only study2 other things don't want do,go for sports and games la,co-cu...
I'm still studying though(currently and hopefully can maintain 1st class),got this tip from my prof:
Loyalty will be your key asset to strive for jobs(stress on this point during interviews)^^ Good luck to you
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the main reason why the first class grads are not loyal are because they are good. Others are willing to pay more to get them. For a 2nd class or even 3rd class they dont even the opportunity to choose and they will be jobless if they leave the company.

So why blame them if they are not loyal? If you get a 40% increase of your basic salary by the other company why dont you go for it? The company should do a better job in keeping them by offering more benefits, increase in salary etc. If they cant do that, jobs are everywhere.


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no worry..my friend 3rd class also can get job..cert/grade is not everthing...

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Nowadays ppl keeps jumping from one company to the other and employers always said you look at other country lah...they stay for 20+ years and never jump!....Well..depends on which countries you look at though, those countries the employers said are usually those with ultra high GDP and workers pay are like few times of our salary for the same job. So, who are they to blame? Ppl always look for a better future, and it is not like the employer will be loyal to the their employees anyway, during good economy raise maybe 1%, bad econ, straight retrenched even if the company still earning profits....
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can anyone here recommend on what should i be doing as a second class lower fresh grad? i need a job badly, i have been looking for one since May. i really dont know what to do, most companies just call up those with >3 cgpa so i am ruled out before i even get a chance to prove myself during interview. i am 2nd class lower grad, closer to 3rd class. i prepared to the best i could when i was called up to few interviews before, but i still didnt make it. i hope someone here will offer me the best of advice to get a job before the economy situation gets even worse.
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can anyone here recommend on what should i be doing as a second class lower fresh grad? i need a job badly, i have been looking for one since May. i really dont know what to do, most companies just call up those with >3 cgpa so i am ruled out before i even get a chance to prove myself during interview. i am 2nd class lower grad, closer to 3rd class. i prepared to the best i could when i was called up to few interviews before, but i still didnt make it. i hope someone here will offer me the best of advice to get a job before the economy situation gets even worse.
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Take it from me, I screwed up my degree and I got what I deserve. But in the end I managed to secure myself jobs simply because of the way I presented myself.

While a better grade may help in certain situations, but it's never the be all or end all. You really have to know how to 'sell' yourself.
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yoyo.. no worry. i totally screwed up in my degree for last semester. Drop from second upper to second lower. but still i'm now working in IBM. And i jus graduated on august. haha.. when u go for interview, make sure u express urself good enough and be confident on urself. company will gain more trust with those person who got confident on themselves.
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try register with recruitment agency..they can help
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such as kelly services, manpower,JAC..

but becarefullll ya.. must make sure the agency is clean/well known


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i realised its all about gettin 3.0 and above...every company i apply, the 1st thing they ask is if ur result is above 3.0...sux man..if below it, they wont even consider..
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I'm third class graduate from UTP. CGPA 2.38. Kinda hard to get job, I admit that, but just move on lah. try small2 company also, don't put high hopes in applying MNC, or even GLC like Petronas. Sometimes they will say "CGPA is not everything". But I tell you what, it does matter. Like Kencana Metering boss said, what you studied during Uni time is not closely related to any industry, sometimes not compatible enough. But it's all about commitment. So, if during Uni time u screwed up, it's not impossible that you will screw up in their company. Unfortunately, they cannot bear to take that risk. That's how many 3rd class like me quite difficult to find jobs. I know I sounds like condemning fellow underachievers like me, but that is fact. It's reality mate. I regret I was not serious enough during my Uni time. But i can't change it now.


So, the solution is move on. Try apply small2 company. Don't even look at MNC first. Gain experience from small2 company. Sometimes, you can learn more in small company. You are much closer with high management. One more thing, for those who get pointer like me, or let's say below 3, try not to put your pointer in your CV. It's not cheating though. At least your chance to be called for interview is higher. During interview, try to do your best. And if they ask about your CGPA, only then you answer it. show them your degree scroll and transcript. By that time, it's up to them to hire you or not. But as long as they don't want to know your CGPA, then keep quiet only tongue.gif .


Btw, I got many interviews. But the interview per application ratio is low. I think, I sent more than hundred applicatiosn starting July. First I got job in August. But the environment is not soo good, so I was hunting again. Then after Raya, I got another one. And I started on October, and I feel I am in the right path. Not soo stress, convenient, interesting job. Sometimes I think it's just "Right pelace at the right time". Pray hard lah. And if your effort is more, the chances is more.


Other interviews I got = Motorola, Sime Darby, Ineax, Kencana Petroleum, Lam Soon Edible Oil, Scomi,... Only this one I can remember. I reject all these companies. Because i already got my job. I only go for Kencana, where i got "BANGGGED" for being such a loser in my Uni time. Haha rclxms.gif .


So, who says "Only employer can choose the employee"?. Mine is the exact opposite whaat, hahaaa. Joking only lorr tongue.gif


(That say, I'm not being arrogant though. I'm grateful enough, as I know right now is soo difficult to find jobs. Economic recession never helps at all. Plus the s**ks result, it only worsen our situation.) But trust me, don't give up.


About hiding your CGPA, it may increase a little bit your chance for being called into interview la. But maybe slightly better, not very much. Also add whatever added values to cover it up. 1st job, we cannot pilih2 sgt. (kite kene sedar diri, dah la pointer rendah, nak memilih lak. takpat arr, ahaa tongue.gif )


That's my comment lar. I know, many people look down on us by having the s**ks result. But who cares? They are not the one who will hire us. They also have to bodek2 the interviewer whaat, rite? So, move on. Once you get the 1st job, take it. And make full use of it, gather the experience needed, and use it as your stepping stone. And if the prospect in the 1st company is good for future, then stay lah. If not, jumping2 lorr. By that time, you have the experience oredy. rclxm9.gif

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I tried applied for so many job but still no reply, result not good?.....sigh
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DONT BE CHOOSY ABOUT JOBS, EMPLOYERS ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WITH RIGHT ATTITUDE NOT FIRST CLASS HONOUR.

HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE AND YOU CAN GO ALONG WAY........
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yes, n a bit of snobbishness also works well during interviews
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I tried applied for so many job but still no reply, result not good?.....sigh
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Hey dont give up..well even though your CGPA is below 3.. that doesnt indicate that you are not good.. well i am sure you are good at certain subjects right.. well it is true that not all employer looks into CGPA.. it goes back to what job you want to do.. if you want to do an admin job.. i am sure you are good in eng and have computer skills.. know a little on management.. hr.. accounting.. well it would be good enough...

having low CGPA doesnt indicate that you are a bad employee.. well i am not a first class..just a second class upper..but i have my master degree.. but that doesnt specify that i am better than those people who are second class lower.. what matter to justify a person is better than another is their experience..in the matter of work.. hahaha

so cheer up..i am sure you would find a job somewhere.. well like me also.. a master level..un employed for nearly 1 half years... going to manage to find a job... in OnG company... so dont give up.. you have plenty of choices to make... well you should try MNC and also those GLC, maybe civil service suits you also...
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Hi Ts, keep trying...u will get a job soon, i'm just having general degree from UK no class at all...but I already work for 3 MNC's HP, SHELL and now DELL.

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TS, I am oso a second class lower lar...and today am working in one of the biggest Telco in Malaysia with gd benefits somemore....it is not so much about the grade, yeah i won't deny tat lotsa employer will not even wanna waste time calling u for an interview but once u got one just sell urself to the max during the interview...be firm with ur answers, show confident but dont overdo it....impress them of what is your strength...
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Hi Ts, keep trying...u will get a job soon, i'm just having general degree from UK no class at all...but I already work for 3 MNC's HP, SHELL and now DELL.

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hi there,well i think we are in the same group..i am a 2nd class upper grad...well for me either it is upper or lower it is still the same..it dose not matter at all..(trust me on this)

u just need to impress them during the interview...and u only need to have the proper skill sets..and the basic knowledge..thats it..

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hi there,well i think we are in the same group..i am a 2nd class upper grad...well for me either it is upper or lower it is still the same..it dose not matter at all..(trust me on this)

u just need to impress them during the interview...and u only need to have the proper skill sets..and the basic knowledge..thats it..

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Grade is not everything. THe most important is how can u promote yourself. It's like selling a product. U must be able to bring out the good side of you. From my observation (me and my friends), even if you are a first class student, you can't secure a job if you don't know how to sell yourself.

Remember, every interview got its purpose. You need to know what they need, what the employer is looking for and you can cater your resume to suit them. Cater here is NOT saying u creating fake cert/thing. Major stuff must be real. But you can add some minor story, but not too much..

In my friend case, in his class, the top earner is the 2 person with the worst result. But they can sell theirself. While the 1st class graduate is working as Engineer earning typical 2-3K salary.

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I agree that grade isn't everything but what matters most in my opinion is the first impression. If one is able to make a good impression, then he/she will have better chances of getting employed. Having good communication skill is one of the best ways to impress people.
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QUOTE(kooka @ Dec 18 2008, 04:11 PM)

About hiding your CGPA, it may increase a little bit your chance for being called into interview la. But maybe slightly better, not very much. Also add whatever added values to cover it up. 1st job, we cannot pilih2 sgt. (kite kene sedar diri, dah la pointer rendah, nak memilih lak. takpat arr, ahaa tongue.gif )
hey, got to agree with u about hiding bad result. i did that too becoz my 3rd year result kinda sucks. and i really got all the interviews for every resume i sent out.

and during the interview, try the best to impress. depending on the job scope, i believe if given the choice between a person with good result but can't talk with confidence and another with bad result but have great interpersonal skills, i'm sure we have our chance.

whenever they ask about why my 3rd year result is such a flop, i will use my volunteer works, activities, working experience, n etc as backup.
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I hear you,Kooka...

My comment is you'll never know unless you try.CGPA is important, but your attitude is important as well.Show the interviewer you are hardworking,skilled(you can't lie here,just elaborate on your technical or interpersonal skills), and are willing to learn.


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yup.. just like what i wrote.. not your CGPA can justify whether you are good or not.. maybe you have problem with papers.. but you must also acquire the street smart thinking.. well most successful people are not highly educated.. they are smart in figuring out their moves.

but yea.. as long as you have that knowledge in computer and some basic management skills i dont see any problem there with you getting a proper job.

it still goes down to attitude and aptitude of a person and their level of commitment to the organization.
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I also got 2nd class lower.

Well, you gotta be smart.
On your resume, don't put 2nd class lower.
Just put in 2nd class.

The most important thing is when they interview you. Speak fluently and confidently, insyaAllah you'll get the job!!
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Try to convience urself to the interviewer when u interview... Dont be choosy on the job... Get as much interview as possible... start 1st then look for better options with u experience... good luck...
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i m oso scare now, i ngam ngam start mt studies in UTAR only. i oso scare when i interview, their wil said my result is under consideration. sad.gif

anyway, good luck to u,TS. smile.gif

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no worries! just apply MNC too! if not, totally no chance! tongue.gif Remember during interview session, must speak confidently etc.
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when answering from own opinions must be positive comments
nobody likes a pessimist
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2nd lower degree holder shouldn't harbor high expectation to get a position or salary that's equivalent to 2nd upper or 1st class degree holder. Can try but chances are slim. Instead use the job that you can find/offered to you to build up your skills, which will be more beneficial than just complaining the world is not fair for discriminating the 2nd lower degree holder. Higher salary will come once your skills to manage & execute the work is there. So don't worry as everyone is a new employee when you report to work on 1st day. Pls don't lie about your degree as it is not ethical & may haunt you if you are requested by HR to produced the actual copy of degree for verification.
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No worries. There are too many openings for degree holder in Klang Valley. Sooner or later you'll get a decent job. Trust me!!
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what is actually 2nd class-lower...
CGPA 2.0+ and above or 2.1 and above
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from my understanding should be 2.5 above
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i think u should just apply for more jobs...

if the company did not stated that they need cgpa 3.0 above.. then try apply for it

there are some companies that actually paying higher for 2nd upper and 1st class... that what i heard

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Some people may not good in academic but good in communication & working skill also get thru the interview & offer job, & able to achieve the job goal.

When come to work it all depend on your work skill then you degree grade.
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Result is the first stage..the most important stage is the interview section..if u can impress ur employer, for sure they are gonna to hire you..why those fresh graduate with better result tends to get their 1st job slower?maybe they are aiming for better company...for me, i got second upper, i have gone through 10 interviews and got 5 offers..i rejected all the offers..why?maybe i am too greedy, wanted to get better company..if you think that your result is not that good, dont worry, do ur best and keep trying, for sure you will get one..just dont be too choosy..as long as u think the job offer is ok, just go for it!be patient...gambateh everyone!!
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Good/Big companies tend to set standards of hiring only graduates with good academic results. No matter how good u can bodek, u need to pass through that first obstacle. In a way it does play some role into getting hired.
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If you manage to get an interview, it means your results mean relatively little. Just be prepared to answer questions about why you didnt perform well at university.

naturally you are more constrained with your choices than you would have been with a secdon upper but its not the end of the road.
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2nd class lower here... worked in IBM, now HP.

It is possible to start as a contractor, that may not require you to have excellent results but how you perform in the interview.

It also depends on the job you apply for.

And after your first or 2nd job, they will only look at your experience instead of your CGPA. smile.gif
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i am fresh grads, waiting convocation. Now applying jobs at jobstreet like mad. It is hard to find hr jobs at sarawak here.
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2nd class lower here... worked in IBM, now HP.

It is possible to start as a contractor, that may not require you to have excellent results but how you perform in the interview.

It also depends on the job you apply for.

And after your first or 2nd job, they will only look at your experience instead of your CGPA. smile.gif
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my fren third class, first pay 3100
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im 3rd class sad.gif

once you get the job, u can forget about ur academic results... from here on, its your working performance/bodek skills that counts. smile.gif
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Me too. While you lounging at home, do some self improvement, study to get a certification or get a passion.
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Hmmm how complicated... Kinda grateful that my degree is non-gradeable. But I'll have to show my result transcript all the time~
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Dont be fooled by ur result,I'm a top student in my sch but not manage to get any internship as well.*Sigh*
It really depends on ur interview and how well u r able to sell urself^^
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I work at bank now with second lower result. They didn't even look at my result when interview. What important is yourself.

Interview is like selling yourself to the company How do you sell yourself will determine the result
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what do you think of degree student offered jobs such as waiter or admin clerk with low pay around 600 and above ? sweat.gif
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what do you think of degree student offered jobs such as waiter or admin clerk with low pay around 600 and above ? sweat.gif
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I will not accept it but if you really need some money right now just go for it but still applying for other job. Just cabut when you get better job
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I see, I do think that it quit a waste of the degree because the job form 5 leaver can do also. I am not in need of money, i just feel the urge to buy my own thing with my own money which lead me to aggressively hunting jobs from bottom to top and at every edge. So I am kind of in stress and desperate state. FYI, just finished my studies and waiting for convocation.
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For most office jobs, your academic results eventually would not matter. It's the interpersonal skills- how you present yourself, your self confidence and how you speak and interact with others.
I was a science student but I went into the corporate world right after graduation- that time the company only hire graduates from overseas- and I am from local, somemore not in a related course. But I got the job because I convince the interviewer that I was sincere and I love the field. It's important to know what we want and if we can really convey to others with confidence, we will be accepted. All the best.

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For most office jobs, your academic results eventually would not matter. It's the interpersonal skills- how you present yourself, your self confidence and how you speak and interact with others.
I was a science student but I went into the corporate world right after graduation- that time the company only hire graduates from overseas- and I am from local, somemore not in a related course. But I got the job because I convince the interviewer that I was sincere and I love the field. It's important to know what we want and if we can really convey to others with confidence, we will be accepted. All the best.

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Your comment is so impressive.
Mind to tell which industry are you in?
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QUOTE(YinTeing @ Nov 15 2009, 03:29 PM)
For most office jobs, your academic results eventually would not matter. It's the interpersonal skills- how you present yourself, your self confidence and how you speak and interact with others.
I was a science student but I went into the corporate world right after graduation- that time the company only hire graduates from overseas- and I am from local, somemore not in a related course. But I got the job because I convince the interviewer that I was sincere and I love the field. It's important to know what we want and if we can really convey to others with confidence, we will be accepted. All the best.

http://life.yinteing.com/2009/11/14/articl...dentsteenagers/
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lol, not to be offending lah, just curious sake only. I agree about ur point until the "But I got the job because I convince the interviewer that I was sincere and I love the field." Did the interviewer told you about it? A friend of mine thought he got the job because of that as well but ends up totally different reason.

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lol, not to be offending lah, just curious sake only. I agree about ur point until the "But I got the job because I convince the interviewer that I was sincere and I love the field." Did the interviewer told you about it? A friend of mine thought he got the job because of that as well but ends up totally different reason.
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i'm curious for the reason as well. What is the reason that the employer hired your friend?
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Many reasons. But just example sake on the rather negative side.

1) Fulfill "Quota" be it race based or contract base.

2) Simply hire just cause they need extra hand around and that the u r cheap enough (especially since the government set up policy favoring jobs to local more)

3) Cause no one else wants the job

4) U look like a pushover.

5) Possibly the worst reason: Cause u r a babe/hunk.

6) Ur dad's a politician.

7) etc.

What I heard so far on other forums and kopitiam chat.

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feel so sad after reading your replies...demoralising..
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irregardless of what cgpa level... if you apply a job.. 50% chance you will get it.. if you don't apply, you wont get any chance at all... nod.gif
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my frens who are in 2nd lower even secure job in spore....myb it also depends on the course that you all toook in university...
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QUOTE(LeechFever @ Nov 15 2009, 07:13 PM)
lol, not to be offending lah, just curious sake only. I agree about ur point until the "But I got the job because I convince the interviewer that I was sincere and I love the field." Did the interviewer told you about it? A friend of mine thought he got the job because of that as well but ends up totally different reason.
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well i think if you apply for western MNCs, they really want you to want the job.. and that you really have passion for what you do..

they have the philosophy to make the workers happy and the only way to do so (other than benefits) is to ensure the people they get really love what they are doing, hence less complaints for early mornings and late nights =p
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i think it's pretty hard to secure an interview with the result alone...
need some extra-curricular to back up... since no working experience..
but one tip is to ask for opening and not wait until there is opening for job..
it's difficult to compete with other candidates...
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they only will look at ur cgpa at first phase only....after all....it depends on your soft skill.... try to make yourself more marketable by taking the professional cert... gut lak TS icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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it doesn't matter how good ur cgpa
the main thing is how u try "selling" yourself to the employer

of coz with low cgpa don't u dare dream to work with Big MNC
why not try looking at small2 company for a start to gain exp
friend of mine once graduate with cgpa 2.32..now manage to become a Manager and own consultancy company
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why not??? i even get 3rd class degree and i currently have a good job...
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just dont be too choosy, accept any job and gain some experience and exposure first, spend a year or 2 with your first job then seek for a better one.

myself is also 2nd lower
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join public bank only...

u hold degree u deserve 2.8k salary ^^
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why don't u try apply for Management Trainee program
safe passage to start a career
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why don't u try apply for Management Trainee program
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management trainee requires above 3.00 CGPA..

i am second class lower but got offered a job at GAB... the knowledge i gained during internship and my non-academic achievements helped me a lot.
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If this is ur first job. Yes it may affects bit, esp for big MNC.
But don't worry, when days past, experience counts.

So don't be too choosy for the first job. Look for the skillsets and exposure you can gain.
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I tried applied for so many job but still no reply, result not good?.....sigh
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Some of my colleagues dont even have diploma, they work from the bottom. try to improve your soft skill mate but if you really need the money just take any job 1st , work your way from there.
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i am 29 years old with second class lower grade...still unemployed,i managed to get a bunch of interview but remain unlucky..i'm totally lost...sigh

I guess that's because of my age with one year experience..
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for fresh grad,the 1st thing they will look is CGPA
then the ability of way you communicate
and by giving responses to each questions asked to you


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i am 29 years old with second class lower grade...still unemployed,i managed to get a bunch of interview but remain unlucky..i'm totally lost...sigh

I guess that's because of my age with one year experience..
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may i know what course you took during undergrad?

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try improve your english proficiency
if u got interviewed by many firm..meaning the opportunity is there
its just how good you can present yourself to the interviewer

be patient..take it as a challenge
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QUOTE(am_7riel @ Apr 12 2010, 09:00 PM)
for fresh grad,the 1st thing they will look is CGPA
then the ability of way you communicate
and by giving responses to each questions asked to you


Added on April 12, 2010, 9:02 pm

may i know what course you took during undergrad?
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Mechanical engineering..Usually, quite often I was told this and that nicely..the most annoying one was "you have all what it takes to be chosen" Subsequently,a few weeks later ended up with unsuccesful! sad.gif


Added on April 13, 2010, 4:45 pmI've been unemployed since August of '08. I worked in various industries in a few places ranging from technical to services. However none of them has lasted more than a year that caused my resume look weird on the eyes of employers. In between those gaps, I have decided to pursue my studying which I started from certificate, diploma and bachelor in the end. Unfortunately, each time I graduated from three different stages of qualification I would have ended up with jobless for quite a while even I tried my best to avoid such a loophole but to no avail.

One of the first things you find when unemployed and searching for a job is that it's more about who you know than what you know. I have been on a few of interviews, yet sent out hundreds, if not thousands, of resumes. I was told that many of my interviews went very well, yet no offers resulted. Each day, I was spending hours online, searching job sites, the Career One sites, even large department store sites, filling out applications. After a while, you become so frustrated that you get discouraged and don't want to search anymore.

I have done everything that most jobseeker does,even go to physical site(factory,consultant and so on) asking for vacancies and have constantly been searching for the best solution available either through online resources or books. Furthermore, I attended every single career fair which I thought related to my preferences. At first it was nice, but after a couple of months, I can’t stand it.

Having said that, I started to isolate myself from the masses and have no strength to talk to people. I have read a lot of motivational and self-help books in order to keep myself afloat but to no avail. Obviously, those books given me support and strength but soon after that it would have worn out quicker than I thought. Now, I feel so depressed and I cant even look at the job advertisement due to sense of traumatized is haunting me.


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I really comes down to every individual. I heard stories where people (I'm working for a bank) joined as a clerk and work their way up. Its not an easy journey, but as a fresh graduate I really look up to these people. It all comes down to how much you value yourself.

Just take any job and do your best. Eventually some one will notice your talent and promote you.


Added on April 18, 2010, 5:33 pmI really comes down to every individual. I heard stories where people (I'm working for a bank) joined as a clerk and work their way up. Its not an easy journey, but as a fresh graduate I really look up to these people. It all comes down to how much you value yourself.

Just take any job and do your best. Eventually some one will notice your talent and promote you.

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im still waiting for my graduation day but i'll most probably be getting second lower as well. i still havent gotten many replies from the companies i applied. =(
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im still waiting for my graduation day but i'll most probably be getting second lower as well. i still havent gotten many replies from the companies i applied. =(
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Dun worry to much , keep sending resume, get to know people (especially in online forums smile.gif ), and improve you soft skill for the interviews .Its normal to be jobless for 6-12 month.
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Dun worry to much , keep sending resume, get to know people (especially  in online forums  smile.gif ), and improve you soft skill for the interviews .Its normal to be jobless for 6-12 month.
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But I don't think I could wait 6-12 months. I am being pressured front and back. I might just end up in a small company doing what i dont want to do.
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But I don't think I could wait 6-12 months. I am being pressured front and back. I might just end up in a small company doing what i dont want to do.
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You will realize one day this is what makes you better and stronger than others. Trust me u will be fine. Been there done that. I sent at least 50++ resumes, but still couldn't get a decent job. ( or the job is too shitty with super peanut pay), sent 100 then, 200..eventually, I got there as well. Remember this, each failure makes you think what you have done wrong in your resume/interview.

"Mr. Success is a lousy teacher, Mr. Failure, on the other hand, he teaches you more than what you need."

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"Mr. Success is a lousy teacher, Mr. Failure, on the other hand, he teaches you more than what you need."
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probably you are right nod.gif nobody will be success without going through failure, another word ... <experience> so TS don't be <dishearten>, do keep on sending your application ... soon or later you will be landing with the offer BUT don't be too choosey .... build up your experience first then move on to next level once the opportunities arises yeeeah whistling.gif

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A USEFUL test for an outsider trying to analyse an argument is to assume that one side is right and then to work out the consequences. If an analysis of eggshells conclusively proves that an egg is better opened at the big end rather than the small one, what follows? And if the assumption is reversed, how bad would it be to have got it wrong?
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QUOTE(meebo @ Apr 19 2010, 12:17 AM)
You will realize one day this is what makes you better and stronger than others. Trust me u will be fine. Been there done that. I sent at least 50++ resumes, but still couldn't get a decent job. ( or the job is too shitty with super peanut pay), sent 100 then, 200..eventually, I got there as well. Remember this, each failure makes you think what you have done wrong in your resume/interview.

"Mr. Success is a lousy teacher, Mr. Failure, on the other hand, he teaches you more than what you need."
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Thanks for telling me your experience. I shall start applying more than I did.
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I think the most common problem is that to keep motivated when ur jobless especially with all the rejection. Used to feel low on self esteem but all it takes is just that one successful interview smile.gif

good luck
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I think the most common problem is that to keep motivated when ur jobless especially with all the rejection. Used to feel low on self esteem but all it takes is just that one successful interview smile.gif

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I feel exactly the same! sad.gif ...Sometimes,it seems like there is no more room for "spiritual fighting" left in my body to keep myself afloat.
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yeah dont give up! believe in yourself! u can do it. also, no worries, find a job slowly, no need to rush yourself. even i spent 2 months to get my first job and about a month to get my 2nd job from my current job. so dont expect to get a job within a week or 2.
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how about 6 months of searching but still didn't get any job offer
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did u guys stated in resume that u r 2nd class lower ??
or 2nd class only ??
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Sorry guys, just being true and blunt here. 2nd Class Lower is seriously very low.

Yes some poeple will say screw the grades if you can even express yourself, communicate, etc.

But sadly, you are in Malaysia. Where good CGPA determines whether you have the chance to get the job.

It also depends on the nature of the job also. If the job requires technical expertise then you ask yourself. Will you hire a him with a 2nd Class Lower?

There is a saying " Drop a coin from the mountain, there is a 99% chance you will hit a freshgraduate". Well maybe is not a saying. But isnt its true?
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i'm feeling low. ntv7 didnt call me up for 2nd interview. sigh.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Apr 19 2010, 10:54 PM)
yeah dont give up! believe in yourself! u can do it. also, no worries, find a job slowly, no need to rush yourself. even i spent 2 months to get my first job and about a month to get my 2nd job from my current job. so dont expect to get a job within a week or 2.
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2 months is nothing....it's been 3 years now...i'm still here...stuck in the middle of nowhere...obviously it is easier said than being through it...u'll know what i mean if u walk in my shoes..BTW..u r exactly right!!I wont give up...i'll keep trying even though it seems like there is no light at the end of tunnel...

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QUOTE(eggyolk @ Apr 20 2010, 10:12 AM)
Sorry guys, just being true and blunt here. 2nd Class Lower is seriously very low.

Yes some poeple will say screw the grades if you can even express yourself, communicate, etc.

But sadly, you are in Malaysia. Where good CGPA determines whether you have the chance to get the job.

It also depends on the nature of the job also. If the job requires technical expertise then you ask yourself. Will you hire a him with a 2nd Class Lower?

There is a saying " Drop a coin from the mountain, there is a 99% chance you will hit a freshgraduate". Well maybe is not a saying. But isnt its true?
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sorry dude.. ur wrong ... wat ur saying is totally wrong...

getting a job is not about a good result.its ur working attitude smile.gif


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Well, maybe i have emhpasized too much on results.
Yes attitude plays a role. But to get an interview, your future employer cant see your attitude but results first.

If you can get past the 1st round. How is your future employer see your attitude?


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Well, maybe i have emhpasized too much on results.
Yes attitude plays a role. But to get an interview, your future employer cant see your attitude but results first.

If you can get past the 1st round. How is your future employer see your attitude?
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my result is not that impressive , but i managed to get few interview and i choose from it ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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cutomer service always need new worker aite?? smile.gif
no point for no job..
as long as u can perform well in ur interview session..
and dont be too choosy..
thats all u need..
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i'm second class too..after graduated I'm the first person in my class who got the job, not just ordinary job but the one that related to my studies.. the first class student still searching and attend interview..

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i'm second class too..after graduated I'm the first person in my class who got the job, not just ordinary job but the one that related to my studies.. the first class student still searching and attend interview..
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I clearly state that i'm 2nd lower in my resume and cover letter (if any), whats the point u wan to hide it? if u just write you're 2nd class but without upper or lower, the company will hesitate a bit u know? result doesnt not give them first priority, yes its important but its more important that you have the passion, good working attitude, and able to convince them that you're the right person that they're looking for, so in short, impress them in interview.

sometimes i know luck does play some part, but i believe putting in more effort is wayyyy more important. i'm not trying to show off or lan si here, sorry first, but sometimes i wonder why u guys would need that long to look for a job. try to equip yourself with more soft skills or any other skills, do more research and homework. I believe u can do it too for sure. I start looking for my job since mid of March last month, last week i've gotten my offer and now serving my notice period. I attended 3 interviews at 3 diff companies and i've got 3 offers in total untill today and still receiving calls for interview invitation.
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even 3rd class people can get job..2nd class sure can get place oso
just need to make yourself useful to interviewer

my place last time employ a 1st class degree holder
terminate after 3months probation due to low performance
now my Manager and HR people start to analyze people not on Grades only
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i feel slightly demotivated cry.gif

will be graduating soon (hopefully with second lower)

but i've been called up for interviews though. Hoping for the best sigh.
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Second lower and third class people do not deserve any sympathy or concern from the society at large because nobody is going to sympathy with you. So, suck it up, be fierce and be focused! Grab any job you have gotten and work hard. Those who have been attending many interviews should share their success story, not bragging and boastful here.
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Actually degree class just for get the interview session only.. if u in 1st class, big2 company will give call to u but it also depend during interview session only + luck..others, leceh ckit..
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Second lower and third class people do not deserve any sympathy or concern from the society at large because nobody is going to sympathy with you. So, suck it up, be fierce and be focused! Grab any job you have gotten and work hard. Those who have been attending many interviews should share their success story, not bragging and boastful here.
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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Apr 20 2010, 01:34 PM)
sorry dude.. ur wrong ... wat ur saying is totally wrong...

getting a job is not about a good result.its ur working attitude smile.gif
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Yes attitude plays a role. But to get an interview, your future employer cant see your attitude but results first.

If you can get past the 1st round. How is your future employer see your attitude?
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For those of you with lower grade, dont worry because you still can be successfull in your career. But since your grade is low, then at the first place you must not being choosy when getting a first job.... as you gain more and more experience, your CGPA doesnt count anymore.

So, when you seek your first job, you must have the right attitude during the interview, dont demand too much, improve your communication skills in english etc. You must show the interviewer that you still have other skills that count compare to your CGPA.

Candidates with higher CGPA may be able to choose those big or highly reputably with higher salary as a starter. But in a long run, company will look on your experiences + skills + attitude. Of course we always encourage student to get better grades, but if it happen to anyone with low grades, dont worry, its nt the end of the world and with a right attitude and effort, you can still catch up with just a matter of 3 years....
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Qualification WILL NOT guarantee you the winning job, but it MAY bring you success to the interview.

But this is not for all. Everyone only need the opportunity to strike for an interview does not matter you are high academic results or lower.

The question, how do you create the opportunities? Is sending out 10 application is call OPPORTUNITIES?How about 100 applications?How about 1000applications? If the answer is you send 100 application will only results you for ONE interview. So it means if you send 99 application will not win you ONE interview.

They are various type & attitude of Human Resource Manager and HIring Manager. Some have preference of high flying colours candidate and some vice verse.

I myself is a THIRD CLASS graduates. During my employment, I had succeeded in company as such local public listed, MNC (worldwide sweedish company ) & MNC (germany company).

Lastly, i agreed one of forumer above mentioned. RIGHT ATTITUDE.
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being book smart is not enough.. if youre not a team person. I know a person with a masters with a bad working attitude and was asked to leave while those with lower qualifications can climb higher than him... just some thoughts for you...
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i think the how well u perform in your studies does not do justice on how you will perfom while working. it's how u sell ur urself i.e. showing ur strengths to your potential employer....show them that u're eager....

my own personal experience:

i thot i was doom for failure when i was in my final semester and kept on getting below 2.0 CGPA....i thot i didn't bother to graduate and i dropout of the course....bodoh, kan? luckily i had my diploma and i went for job interviews and one company (current company) was taken away by my fluent english...and he didn't even bother about looking at my diploma CGPA...and now im still with the current company after nearly 8 years.....(actually plan to cabut after i finish my part time degree program)

the next story is a close friend of mine; she graduated with a 3rd class chem eng degree....she applied jobs here n there....and landed with a job under MARA. who was planning to open up a new chem eng based institute. she was sent for advanced education certificate course. since she excel in the course, she was among the few who was involved in the company from the infant stages. within a year she was promoted to Programme Academic Manager and after 3 years with that company, she moved on to Petronas to work as Organizational Development Exec. After 3 years with Petronas, she resigned and open up her own consutancy firm...

what im trying to say from both mine and my fren's experience is...its not the end of the world if u did not perform well in your studies... God willing u will get that job is just a matter of time and how good will u be able to sell ur self to those companies....exude ur confidence during the interview regardless how low ur CGPA is...
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you guys are having 2nd lower and are complaining... i am even worse off than you guys and i am not complaining ^^
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i have friends study engineering, doctor, architecture. but all of them come back jor do different thing like sales, eatery, business ==!!

one of them sell chicken pot rice now earn more than me ==!!
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My CGPA 2.34 only so can get some 2nd level support with about 3k ++, as long as you attend some ext. course like MCDA, CCNA or training short course, then you will get more chance better job.

From Training, you will learn more reality in your interest jobs, keep going attend invitation from training camp, course without pay, then you will get more knowledge, remember knowledge is your rice bowl, not position.
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Here is the story, in MMU anything lower than 3.32 is considered as a second class lower. It is a bit too high if you ask me compared to some unis which only regard one second class lower if lower than 3.0.

So unfortunately, I got around 3.31 (if I'm not mistaken) so here it goes, I'm a second class lower student. doh.gif This class thingy is important especially for your first job.

So what I did was, selected the best company for my internship and hoping that I could join them after my industrial training if I perform well. I got into a world's renowned telco (MNC) for my intern and did my job quite well and managed to impress my current bosses. After my intern, they straight offered me a permanent position and I'm here in my fourth month of permanent employment with them. I'm really happy to be in this company, willing to teach and coach me in everything. Being in HR, there are a lot of things to learn as it is quite a diversified field I should say.

Later on if I would like to move on to other company, I don't really need to be afraid as my previous employment history is kinda strong enough to back me up and my results will be just a secondary supporting item.

In short, if you fall into this category, do not feel sad about it. There are still many other ways to secure you a job. Not all employers look at your results, your first impression to them is very important, do not screw up in your interview. Present yourself well and market yourself but not exaggerating telling them you have 101 skills, else you will be in trouble later.

During my internship interview with them, I honestly tell them I'm not proficient in MS Excel but I'm willing to learn, luckily my boss decided to take me up that time. laugh.gif sweat.gif

Do not feel sad and strive for the best! biggrin.gif
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I'm having the same issue with the poster above but my CGPA is slightly lower than that but higher than 3.25. I didnt have any issue in my working life (except not being able to qualify for certain Management Trainee programme) but the class system is currently biting me back in my butt when I'm applying for scholarships and admission for my Masters..

Almost all of them require 2nd Class Upper n above -.-
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QUOTE(eggyolk @ Apr 20 2010, 10:12 AM)
Sorry guys, just being true and blunt here. 2nd Class Lower is seriously very low.

Yes some poeple will say screw the grades if you can even express yourself, communicate, etc.

But sadly, you are in Malaysia. Where good CGPA determines whether you have the chance to get the job.

It also depends on the nature of the job also. If the job requires technical expertise then you ask yourself. Will you hire a him with a 2nd Class Lower?

There is a saying " Drop a coin from the mountain, there is a 99% chance you will hit a freshgraduate". Well maybe is not a saying. But isnt its true?
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I do not agree at all, as a matter of fact, you really need to look into the particular University and course of the candidate taking. I have to say this because when I look into certain universities (I do not wanna name), having the same courses in which another university offers, they have SO MANY 1st class honor students comparatively, some could even get 4/4 CGPA which is ridiculous I think. (4/4 CGPA means that particular student have to score solid A'sssss in every subject that he/she has taken within the 3~4 years course.

Of course, another reason I m telling this also, some universities have set their standard for first class ridiculously too high in which if you look at my case smile.gif, an engineering degree in USM, unbelievably there was no first class student at all, out of the 40~50+ students of the course. Majority of the students CGPA fell between 2.8~3.3 of that range. So in this case, are you gonna say the 2nd class lower students are lousy and should go and work as farmer? You need to look beyond CGPA seriously! (a stupid, non-standardized academic system that differs in different university)

These days, when I look at the most job vacancy advertisement in anywhere, they always ask for "excellent grade with CGPA more than 3.5" I was like...well it they are looking for student from certain universities which is easier to score then it's okay, but in my case, I WAS CLEARLY PHUCKED by my university standard! tongue.gif

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2nd class lower from Ivy Leagues vs 1st class from cap ayam U... who do you think the employers would go for?
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2nd class lower from Ivy Leagues vs 1st class from cap ayam U... who do you think the employers would go for?
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as long as you manage to present yourself well to the employer, for sure they'll take you on board tongue.gif
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2nd class lower from Ivy Leagues vs 1st class from cap ayam U... who do you think the employers would go for?
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i dont know... i got a lowly degree from a top aus uni... and everybody in my company is a 1st class except me and 2 more ppl... my big boss always scold me cause of my results...
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i dont know... i got a lowly degree from a top aus uni... and everybody in my company is a 1st class except me and 2 more ppl... my big boss always scold me cause of my results...
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Oh my, poor you. sad.gif
That's strange, why would they even bother about your academic results when all that matters is your work performance? After all, you've been taken into the company anyway. Man what a strange big boss lol doh.gif .
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i think the how well u perform in your studies does not do justice on how you will perfom while working. it's how u sell ur urself i.e. showing ur strengths to your potential employer....show them that u're eager....

my own personal experience:

i thot i was doom for failure when i was in my final semester and kept on getting below 2.0 CGPA....i thot i didn't bother to graduate and i dropout of the course....bodoh, kan? luckily i had my diploma and i went for job interviews and one company (current company) was taken away by my fluent english...and he didn't even bother about looking at my diploma CGPA...and now im still with the current company after nearly 8 years.....(actually plan to cabut after i finish my part time degree program)

the next story is a close friend of mine; she graduated with a 3rd class chem eng degree....she applied jobs here n there....and landed with a job under MARA. who was planning to open up a new chem eng based institute. she was sent for advanced education certificate course. since she excel in the course, she was among the few who was involved in the company from the infant stages. within a year she was promoted to Programme Academic Manager and after 3 years with that company, she moved on to Petronas to work as Organizational Development Exec. After 3 years with Petronas, she resigned and open up her own consutancy firm...

what im trying to say from both mine and my fren's experience is...its not the end of the world if u did not perform well in your studies... God willing u will get that job is just a matter of time and how good will u be able to sell ur self to those companies....exude ur confidence during the interview regardless how low ur CGPA is...
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I dun think classes play a big role....if you got first class but sucks in interview...no point right...

i heard from my friend, that this guy got 2nd lower..around 2.5...
then the employer asked him why should i hire you..you were getting around 2.5 for every sem..
he answer..."this showed that i am consistent"...
and he was hired...

therefore, i dun think you got first class would do you any help...but of cos it secure easier interview...not jobs...
what you can do is impress them through your resume...
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Well, if I were to tell you the classification is not important, then I must be lying to you.

It is important for your first job as you have no experience and other things to back you up, what you have is your results cert only.

Like it or not, some companies ought to shortlist the ones in first class category and only them can be called up for interviews.

Imagine if you do not fall into this category, you wouldn't even have the chance to be interviewed at all.

As I mentioned, only "some" companies. So the hope is there, just that once you are given the opportunity to go for interview, just strive for the best and present yourself well. First impression matters. Remember, you need to compete with the first class holders to secure you a position.
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I'm also second class lower degree in it. i went for lots of interview for last few months. FYI in my resume I didn't include my cgpa at all and they did not even asking bout it. the most importing thing is to have a strong knowledge to support ur background as fresh grad.
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QUOTE(ameil @ Apr 26 2010, 02:08 PM)
I dun think classes play a big role....if you got first class but sucks in interview...no point right...

i heard from my friend, that this guy got 2nd lower..around 2.5...
then the employer asked him why should i hire you..you were getting around 2.5 for every sem..
he answer..."this showed that i am consistent"...
and he was hired...

therefore, i dun think you got first class would do you any help...but of cos it secure easier interview...not jobs...
what you can do is impress them through your resume...
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consistently getting a below par performance might not be what most firm wanted. but i believe u must be convincing regardless of your classes, but the higher your class is, the better chance u stand to get shortlisted for sure.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Apr 26 2010, 05:56 PM)
consistently getting a below par performance might not be what most firm wanted. but i believe u must be convincing regardless of your classes, but the higher your class is, the better chance u stand to get shortlisted for sure.
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he didnt get hired for below par performance, the answer was smart and cheeky enough to convince the boss. lame answer would be "i will try my best to improve myself".
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QUOTE(ameil @ Apr 26 2010, 02:08 PM)
I dun think classes play a big role....if you got first class but sucks in interview...no point right...

i heard from my friend, that this guy got 2nd lower..around 2.5...
then the employer asked him why should i hire you..you were getting around 2.5 for every sem..
he answer..."this showed that i am consistent"...
and he was hired...

therefore, i dun think you got first class would do you any help...but of cos it secure easier interview...not jobs...
what you can do is impress them through your resume...
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Wow.. Impressed of your friend.
Consistency.. Good! HAhaa
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Oh my, poor you. sad.gif
That's strange, why would they even bother about your academic results when all that matters is your work performance? After all, you've been taken into the company anyway. Man what a strange big boss lol doh.gif .
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lol.. my big boss is crazy.... always put me down with my results.. comparing me to his daughter

now 1/2 of the group's have to answer to me...ahhahaha

and my 30yo collegue that has a general degree only have the group's engineers answer to him... lol
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QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Dec 1 2008, 12:44 AM)
screw the grades...
What good is grade if he/she can't work,talk,express him/herself.
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everyting needs interview and self confidence assesment....

please sharpen ur skills in all field while struggling while studying in ur new environment...
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Apr 26 2010, 11:24 PM)
lol.. my big boss is crazy.... always put me down with my results.. comparing me to his daughter

now 1/2 of the group's have to answer to me...ahhahaha

and my 30yo collegue that has a general degree only have the group's engineers answer to him... lol
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It's even more strange when you can work with him for so long, I salute your patience. laugh.gif
Could be the remuneration holds you back? biggrin.gif
Good to see that you are doing well in your career. smile.gif
If you really happen to fall into Second Class Lower or Third Class, just strive your best to get the better job. I doubt all the employers out there are First Class holders. tongue.gif They have been there just like you, so be cool. laugh.gif
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Let's try to be honest here?
Results ARE important if you wanna get into MNCs and what not. 2nd Class Lower? Don't even bother trying MNCs. Even if you do get shortlisted, you're gonna have to find a really really really really good reason to back up ur poor results. So ur only hope is to do sales? Be wary, for that u might end up doing sales forever afterwards.

Come from an engineering background? Let's be honest, if u were the hiring manager, and ur interviewing someone who would potentially be designing your vessels/reactors/columns and he nearly fails his Fluid Mechanics/Maths bla bla. What would be the first thing that goes thru ur mind?

Your only hope? Try applying for those smaller companies doing similar stuff (mostly those firms being outsourced), work your way from there and settle for a smaller pay.

Well, at least this is how it is if ur from an engineering background. To me, the title engineer has often been misused nowadays. How do you define an engineer anyway?
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Well,for my case,i have been in jobless period for few months time,and i can experience how desperate and despair when I've been rejected for jobs.

To make matters worst,even my own families cannot understand the situation and keep giving pressure to me.I am lucky that i have gone though that periods and the jobless period do make me stronger in future.

When u get rejected,suck it up,don't think too much ,move on !
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I think I'm going to sound like a broken record, but it all comes down to how well you sell yourself.

I know an arrogant *******, he got 2:2, but he still manage to get work with a MNC and is earning more than RM4,000! But even though he may be an arrogant *******, he isn't afraid to make mistake and get his work done.

I know plently of 2:1 students how earn less than him but are too timid or academic focus to stand out.

So in the end, its selling yourself!
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Just don give a damn on ur classes~ but of coz when u were still studying, make sure u have to study hard and go for ur best results and classes. Even if you not getting ur ideal classes, there is always an oppourtunity to get a job.

Like me, I'm 2nd Class Lower graduates as well. and i got hire from a semi international company on my 1st interview and 1st job. it pay great either. During the interview, my boss ( who interviewed me ) dun even bother to look at my resume and my certs and etc.
I have asked weather he wanted to look over my resume, he replied to me "I dunot wan to see ur resume nor ur certs, just answer my simple questions accordingly" , which i did answer him well.
1week later, i got hired.

So i dun think even u have a low classes will effect ur jobs and salary.
GK and EXP is the most important on Engineering field.
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to be honest, as long you are above average and originate from a reputable university, the way that you carry yourself, has more weight and substance.

the partner whom interviewed me recently didn't ask me anything remotely academic.

in fact, the first question propelled to me was; "so who do you think will win the upcoming (australian) election?"
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Just don give a damn on ur classes~ but of coz when u were still studying, make sure u have to study hard and go for ur best results and classes. Even if you not getting ur ideal classes, there is always an oppourtunity to get a job.

Like me, I'm 2nd Class Lower graduates as well. and i got hire from a semi international company on my 1st interview and 1st job. it pay great either. During the interview, my boss ( who interviewed me ) dun even bother to look at my resume and my certs and etc.
I have asked weather he wanted to look over my resume, he replied to me "I dunot wan to see ur resume nor ur certs, just answer my simple questions accordingly" , which i did answer him well.
1week later, i got hired.

So i dun think even u have a low classes will effect ur jobs and salary.
GK and EXP is the most important on Engineering field.
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oh wow, I could only wish I was asked questions like that. What was your answer ? : )

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QUOTE(bryanleeyf87 @ Jun 7 2010, 10:43 AM)
Let's try to be honest here?
Results ARE important if you wanna get into MNCs and what not. 2nd Class Lower? Don't even bother trying MNCs. Even if you do get shortlisted, you're gonna have to find a really really really really good reason to back up ur poor results. So ur only hope is to do sales? Be wary, for that u might end up doing sales forever afterwards.

Come from an engineering background? Let's be honest, if u were the hiring manager, and ur interviewing someone who would potentially be designing your vessels/reactors/columns and he nearly fails his Fluid Mechanics/Maths bla bla. What would be the first thing that goes thru ur mind?

Your only hope? Try applying for those smaller companies doing similar stuff (mostly those firms being outsourced), work your way from there and settle for a smaller pay.

Well, at least this is how it is if ur from an engineering background. To me, the title engineer has often been misused nowadays. How do you define an engineer anyway?
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You sure?? not all MNCs look at results only ya know. it is during the Interview part which is where they will really evaluate ur performance. Working attitude and willingness to learn is the most important! I'm a 2nd class lower, below 3 pointer, and I got offers to work at MNC companies. And no, i'm not doing sales, i'm doing IT. Please dun try to discourage us who are from 2nd class lower from working at MNCs!

seriously, u're being shallow minded, bryanleeyf87 shakehead.gif

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first class honors normally have attitude problems, they tend to job hop more often, one interviewer said this to me before that he never want to hire those 1st honours because of their LCLY and tendency to quit in short period


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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Aug 28 2010, 11:27 PM)
first class honors normally have attitude problems, they tend to job hop more often, one interviewer said this to me before that he never want to hire those 1st honours because of their LCLY and tendency to quit in short period
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first, i am not a first class student. I am be here to seek a clarification regarding to the sentence u made. is there any evidence to proof most of the 1st class graduate was LCLY and had high tendency to quit in short period( as u said)?

They able to achieve first class because of their own hard work and effort. Attitude problem? 2nd class and 2nd lower class will not have it? Too bad.

There is only 1 interviewer told you about the first class graduate,you are tend to agree with " first class graduate will have attitude problem and tendency to quit in a short period". And 1 thing i found interest thing is " is there any employer that never hire 1st class graduate?" may i know what is the company name?
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Firstly, stop worshiping 1st class degree. This is the failure of our education system for worshiping Skor A human machines.

Has this thread ignored that there are 3rd class people around, like myself?

The University admit your degree because you have the quality of being their graduates and worthy of owning the piece of paper that has the university logo on it, not because your result sucks and hence you getting 2nd lower class. For those who really suck do not even manage to get any qualification.

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Secondly, MNC are nothing different from a small company, it is just another party that pay you salary. Sometimes, I feel that they tends to get 1st class scorer because they need people who can really follow instructions.

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Whether you're a first class or third class, once you've landed on a job, you will be competing on who earns more $$.

@ju146
Not all First class people are like that. Think about it. If you have a golden ticket of opportunity to get paid more than your current job with your good results, would you consider moving on? It's not about LCLY. Its about personal value as first class graduate in the market and if the current company is throwing turds at you, you can just quit and move on to a better workplace. Those whom didn't do well in Uni will need to work hard, gain experience and luck to sell themselves.
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I think we may have sway a bit off topic, from
"2nd lower - can get a job"
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"1st class deserve the job others don't" or "others deserve, 1st doesnt"

TS,
I think what everyone is trying to say is, don't lose hope no matter what result you get. There is a job out there waiting for you, it may not be your dream job but at the very least its a job and an honest living. If you don't get it now, just work harder and focus. Eventually you may get providing you never give up. But the moment you do give up, you will never achieve what you want. So never give up!
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post Aug 29 2010, 03:01 AM


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grades are just the tickets to get you to the interview. once they called you up for interview, if you perform well in the interview, illustrate all your strengths and confidence, you will be hired. im a second lower class holder managed to get a job in MNC. If you cant get a job, what about those with third class and general degree?
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post Aug 29 2010, 06:12 AM


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oh wow, I could only wish I was asked questions like that. What was your answer ? : )
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well... i joined this company which i think is a MNC coz they having some projects on few countries and current project which on Vietnam. Its a civil + design structure using software before implement it on site.

So what he(my technical director) asked me was simple. what you know about designs and some common knowledge on factory fabrications process.

My answer was simple. "Simple, Cost Saving, Reduce Material Waste". smile.gif
Simple right??
The same question were asked to me when i've gotten my 3rd interview. 2nd interview was asked me to show them wat i know on some software skills.

But well... imma gonna change job after CNY. (if they offer me a good offer after my confirmations i will think to stay or not.)



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QUOTE(Maxz @ Aug 29 2010, 09:12 AM)

Added on August 29, 2010, 6:29 am

well... i joined this company which i think is a MNC coz they having some projects on few countries and current project which on Vietnam. Its a civil + design structure using software before implement it on site.

So what he(my technical director) asked me was simple. what you know about designs and some common knowledge on factory fabrications process.

My answer was simple. "Simple, Cost Saving, Reduce Material Waste". smile.gif
Simple right??
The same question were asked to me when i've gotten my 3rd interview. 2nd interview was asked me to show them wat i know on some software skills.

But well... imma gonna change job after CNY. (if they offer me a good offer after my confirmations i will think to stay or not.)
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I was referring to the question about who's going to win the upcoming Australian election. =) Which civil+structural MNC are you talking about ? Could you PM your company name to me?

Back on topic, if you get second class upper, the only thing you can do is to not despair depress and deflate. Normally I would tell 2nd lower class holders to shove it since it is really your own fault to end up with that result (or not) but then again I was a few months ago a first class hons student competing with other first class students for jobs blow by blow simply because I did not have permanent citizenship for the companies I am applying for when when my results were superior than some of them etc.
I was totally dejected because I applied over 30+ companies with nothing but rejection (don't come biting me if you were by rejected more etc) But I kept working and finally secured an offer with an MNC next year. And it didn't end there, a former tutor from uni approached me to offer me a part time tutoring job on first year subjects until the end of this year. The thing is, be nice and work really hard and be honest to yourself.
First class students only really prove they can do extremely well in exams and assignments and if its by hook or by crook we do not know, but of course most are products of genuine effort. But I know a couple dean list students who really only ever cram for exams, when it comes to heavy group design exercises/assignment, no one wants to work with them because they can only well.... cram for exams and barely contribute to ideas and how to come about solving issues and problems that falls a tiny bit out of our syllabus. So don't give up!

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Just don give a damn on ur classes~ but of coz when u were still studying, make sure u have to study hard and go for ur best results and classes. Even if you not getting ur ideal classes, there is always an oppourtunity to get a job.

Like me, I'm 2nd Class Lower graduates as well. and i got hire from a semi international company on my 1st interview and 1st job. it pay great either. During the interview, my boss ( who interviewed me ) dun even bother to look at my resume and my certs and etc.
I have asked weather he wanted to look over my resume, he replied to me "I dunot wan to see ur resume nor ur certs, just answer my simple questions accordingly" , which i did answer him well.
1week later, i got hired.

So i dun think even u have a low classes will effect ur jobs and salary.
GK and EXP is the most important on Engineering field.


Hey friendo, in your case, you are considered lucky.

It does not mean that all employers dont look at your results.

It is wrong to say that results (for graduates) does not affect your job opportunities.

If it has no effect, half the world would have been in Shell, PwC and other top notch firms by now - do you not agree?

Of course your working attitude is more important than your academic results, but please think of this:

1) How does your boss see your working attitude before he/she hires you?

2) Yes of course you must be presentable and able to carry yourself well and perform during the interview in order to get hired am I right?

3) Right, now before you even get a shot to attend the interview - what does the employer sees?

4) Yes thats right your results and CV!

So please dont mislead others by saying that results are not important, in which I have mentioned in your case - you are just lucky. Believe it or not luck plays an important role in these things. Or of course it might because you have something extra that other ppl dont i.e. curriculum achievements etc.

And by the way, Maxz - to prove that you're really lucky kindly re-read your post and see the amount of mistakes you have made in your writings. Even my 5 year old niece can spot your mistakes.


Now for the second class lower:

Please dont be disheartened. Job opportunities are everywhere. Always aim high and even if you fall, you'll fall among the stars. This saying is old, but its true. If still no luck, I would strongly suggest that you dont be too picky on the salary and benefits package. Go for somewhere that offers you plenty opportunity to learn and grow from there. One or two years into the job you can always jump ship and go for the bigger fishes.

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I graduated 2nd class lower and have had no problems with finding a job. I don't believe that the degree result would really drag you that far down until you can't find something decent. Just have to make the best of things and keep improving. Education can be bought, experience must be earned.
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