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 Bursa's new trading security system - discuss

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aurora97
post Nov 29 2008, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 29 2008, 05:27 PM)
That's the thing, I don't understand how to determine the Theoretical price.
How does bursa determine the Theoretical price?
Is the Theoretical price visible at all during the closing stages?
Does this mean during the closing stages, the Theoretical price will not jump? Will the counter close at the Theoretical price?

So, in Zelan's case like yesterday, last 10 minutes shoot up duno how many cents.
If this new systems in place... then there won't be a suddenly surge in price during the last 10 minutes?
If Theoretical Price is  RM0.82, Then those sellers at RM0.87 will not be able to sell even if buyer keys in buy RM0.88?
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I believe there's a formula for that, need to find out from those dusty rule books... but anyway if ur interested to see how theoretical price works try looking at Futures Trading. They have pre-auction and pre-closing prices.

The pro of Theoretical prices... Pre auction/preclosing
Is kind of obvious to promote stabil market price, u dont want price sky rocketin too fast hittin during market open and catch everyone pants down and before closing time, some joker unloads killing everyone else. than at last 1 sec buyin everythin bak cheaply.

eliminates manipulation..

Con..

In theory at least there is no manipulation but in practice is kind of a different story...
Brokers (i shall not name who) normally with high clients like say the top 10 biggest banks in the world. they can place 5 m shares sell at X price than pull it out, and shove in another price at Y price lower than X... the whole process continues on... this method is to artifically depress the share price to the price u want.

Say X company now trading at Rm 6.. u feel that the price should be around Rm 5 ...
if u have deep enough pockets u can basically manipulate the shares to your advantage.

That said, u have other players in the market tat might run ur plans... they see u sell 5m, they might buy 5m so a tag of war ensue... but doesnt mean they can't pakat?

this r some brief tips n tricks to bend the rules...

unlikely small players like us will make any dent... so more disav to small players.



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post Nov 29 2008, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 29 2008, 07:35 PM)
I think the New System would get back fire in time to come.

First, you are presumed to know, and there is a fact that not many people know what is exactly going on.

Then it could go against the principle of "Willing Buy and Willing Sell"

And in a depressed market and in the absence of FF, why the worry that people may push up the prices ?

And theorectical closing prices could be based on the weighted average of  actual transactions matched in the last half an hour according to willing buy and sell principle.

It should not be matched in accordance with theoretical prices which is not real in the first place.

Less sales revenues generated for Bursa, as people would try to understand first.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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not exactly most countries have already deployed such method except My just did it recently...

if ur market is small in terms of value than its only easier to manipulate otherwise its still free for all and "market forces"...

QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 29 2008, 08:02 PM)
So...will the buyers queuing 100,000 lots @ 1.00 get matched first, or the buyers queuing 120,000 lots @ 0.99 get matched first?
If the buyers queuing at @1.00 get matched first, will they pay 1.00 or 0.99?

So...will the sellers queuing 30,000 lots @ 0.97 get matched first, or the sellers queuing 50,000 lots @ 0.99 get matched first?
If the sellers queuing at @0.97 get matched first, will they receive 0.97 or 0.99
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it doesnt get matched, it will only get matched when market opens assuming there is still a willing buyer and seller ready to take at that particular price.

u can still cancel the trade or amend the price, even there is buyer/seller depending on ur position.

 

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