Couldn't agreed more. Certificate of analysis of a 3rd party labs/ IFOS is a must when it comes to Fish Oil

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Nov 11 2015, 03:40 PM

Yep, or CRN/GOED, equally adequate.

Actually most people just buy any cheap fish oil. Most Malaysian public do not know about IFOS/CRN/GOED

Well, probably in the larger scale of things it's better than having none at all.

Thats quite true
After done a simple comparison today, i bought blackmore fish oil 1000mg promo
120capsules x 2 bottles =rm70

EPA -180
DHA - 120


Boleh tahan ka
Im cheapskate

After reading the above link, I wouldn't go anywhere near an Australian fish oil unless they can provide me a certificate of analysis.

The DHA and EPA is too low. Usually the recommended one is at least double of what you posterd ie. EPA - 360 DHA - 240
So this comes into factor how many softgels one need to consume to reach that limit. Higher if one have health problems. So a bottle of fish oil might seems cheap but can actually be expensive.

Also need to keep in mind if the fish oil is fresh. Not consuming fish oil is better than consuming rancid fish oil. How to know?
1. Bite into the fish oil
2. Receive a certificate of analysis.

if thats the case, can i consume 2 capsules per serving ?

that would literally double up the dosage as required.

Of course you can. Some people take like 5g/day for dry eyes.

If you have some kind of disease/condition, you can even double/triple the dosage I mentioned.

You can.

But calculate your cost in terms of RM per gram of actual Omega 3 oil (DHA & EPA).

And as Ramjade mentioned, is the company willing to provide a CoA. Willingness itself is often a big indicator.

Fish oils knock down your cellular immunity, especially your macrophages'
production of interferon gamma, and should not be taken in high doses
in an active bacterial/viral/fungal infection.

Most peope don't know that the Eskimos have high rates of TB.


n-3 Fatty acids uniquely affect anti-microbial resistance
and immune cellplasma membrane organization.

'' However, the same anti-inflammatory properties which are so beneficial
in chronic inflammatory diseases may be detrimental in the context of
antimicrobial immunity. Indeed, n-3 PUFA feeding increases mouse
susceptibility to intracellular pathogens, such as Listeria monocytogenes,
Salmonella typhimurium and Paracoccidioides brasiliensis.

Guinea pigs infected with virulent M. tuberculosis fed with n-3 PUFA, and
transgenic fat-1 mice with endogenous enrichment of n-3 PUFA, showed
Increased bacterial loads and pronounced progression of the disease.

These experimental findings suggest that increased tissue levels of n-3 PUFA
can impair resistance to TB. ''


" ..... macrophage activation is indispensable for clearance of mycobacteria
and other intracellular microbial pathogens. Macrophage activation leads to
induction of a variety of cellular processes and allows control of intracellular
pathogens in a more effective way. n-3 PUFA decrease macrophage activation
in response to LPS, IFNγ, or TLR ligands. "


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3183364/




Deactivating effects of n-3 PUFA on macrophage activation
and antimicrobial responses.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3183364/table/T1




This post has been edited by Tham: Nov 13 2015, 12:40 AM

That's why I only buy from Nordic's and Carlson. The only 2 company who give their CoA upon request. Was tempted to buy NOW but they refuse to give me any CoA.

Dietary Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids Modulate Resistance to
Mycobacterium tuberculosis in Guinea Pigs.

" Evidence in support of this hypothesis comes from epidemiological studies
of Greenlanders and Alaskan Eskimos, who despite consuming diets rich in
fish oil (FO) containing (n-3) fatty acids, exhibit an unusually low incidence of
cardiovascular and other inflammatory diseases but an unusually high frequency
of TB infection. ''

'' evidence consistent with these epidemiological observations is provided
by experimental data from (n-3) PUFA-fed guinea pigs infected via the i.m. route
with virulent M. tuberculosis. Pronounced progression of disease and higher
bacterial counts in the spleen were observed in (n-3) PUFA-fed guinea pigs
compared with guinea pigs consuming diets enriched in SFA or (n-6) PUFA.

Increased susceptibility to other intracellular pathogens, including Listeria and
Salmonella, in (n-3) PUFA-fed animals has also been reported. "


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2635522/



Transgenic mice enriched in omega-3 fatty acids are more susceptible
to pulmonary tuberculosis: impaired resistance to tuberculosis in fat-1 mice.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4421876/





This post has been edited by Tham: Nov 12 2015, 10:10 AM

You could have a look at Nutrigold's.

Should be even more value for money.

Just too bad Iherb (favoured due to cheap shipping) doesn't carry them.

I wouldn't lose too much sleep about the debate on EE vs TG. In the larger context of things just start consuming them.

Personally, the key reason for my consumption of n-3, is to attempt to balance out the extremely high ratio of n-6:n-3 in my existing diet.

I still find my n-6 to be higher, but at least the ratio has been brought down significantly.

Your lowly, time-tested and much cheaper cod liver oil, however, is beneficial,
largely due to the inherent vitamin A and D content.



Abstract or study not available, but here is the writeup.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22187324



Cod Liver Oil vs TB.


" ..... the disease was stabilised in 18% of the patients given cod liver oil,
compared with only 6% of those in the control group. Deterioration or death
occurred in 33% of patients given standard treatment alone, but in only 19%
of those given cod liver oil, a reduction of 14%. "

The 542 inpatients with consumption treated with cod liver oil, were given a
dose of 1 drachm (3.6 ml) three times a day, gradually increased, in some
few cases up to 1.5 ozs (42 ml) per dose.

" It was observed that one of the most striking effects of the use of cod liver oil is an
increase in the patient’s weight. A gain in weight occurred in 70%, a loss in only 21%
and in 9% the weight remained stationary. "


" Professor Green says that some children are still given cod liver oil today
and perhaps this relates back to the late 19th and early 20th centuries when
cod liver oil was widely used to treat and prevent tuberculosis. "

" He says: “A role for vitamin D in combating tuberculosis gives a rational basis for
sunshine therapy, which was widely practised for patients in sanatoriums before
chemotherapy became available, as vitamin D is synthesised in the skin when
exposed to the sun. Patients were put out on their beds to lie in the sun in summer
and winter, and many were sent to Switzerland and other sunny countries for
treatment.” He adds that today many patients who develop TB in the UK are found
to be Vitamin D deficient. "

http://www.nleducation.co.uk/resources/rev...liver-oil-vs-tb




Drug resistant tuberculosis: back to sanatoria, surgery and cod-liver oil ?

http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/8/7/1073.long




Environmental factors in Tiny Tim's near-fatal illness.

" Dickens was familiar with both rickets and TB and wrote about cod liver oil as a
possible cure for rickets and scrofula. Improved vitamin D status can result in
enhanced macrophage synthesis of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, which increases
the synthesis of the antimicrobial peptide cathelicidin (LL-37). This component
of the innate immune system has strong killing properties for Mycobacterium
tuberculosis. The combination of rickets and TB represent a crippling condition
that could be reversed by improved vitamin D status. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22393183



Inhibition by retinoic acid of multiplication of virulent tubercle bacilli
in cultured human macrophages.

" These results suggest that RA (vitamin A), like vitamin D, may have some
immunoprotective role against human tuberculosis, as historically intimated
by the regular use of vitamin A- and D-rich cod liver oil for the treatment of
tuberculosis before the introduction of modern chemotherapy. "


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC313186/

So cod liver oil is better than fish oil? I know is good but I do not know which is better

I've considered it years ago. Forgot why I ditched the idea.

Probably due to the lack of availability of CoA, and the high levels of Vit. A.

Will look into it again and refresh my memory.

hey guys what is the best bang for your buck brand or type of fish oil? that meets daily requirements

Carlson's Elite Fish Oil gems. 180 softgels. Certified by IFOS. Is way cheaper than Pristin. I am sure Pristin is Ethyl Ester and is not certified by IFOS. So Carlson is every way better than Pristin in terms of price, freshness, purity. Two downside:
a) It's Ethyl Ester
b) It's not found in malaysia.

If money is not an issue. I recommend Nordic's. Its certified by IFOS. It's triglyceride. They handle every process (from catching the fish, to extracting the oil). Two downside
a) Pricey
b) It's not found in malaysia

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Nov 12 2015, 02:02 PM

is this the one? Carlson Labs, Elite Omega-3 Gems, Natural Lemon Flavor, 1250 mg, 180 Soft Gels?

Its 37 usd before shipping. This is what you recommend?

One to 5 times per day. so thats about just a month's supply.

This post has been edited by BacktoBasics: Nov 12 2015, 02:26 PM