Perhaps you will need to give kibbles now and then, and not after they on pure BARF for few months, then they may not adapt it.
Yes, cannot put raw and kibbles together because the digestive rate for raw food is different.

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Added on November 28, 2008, 3:42 pmThe standard recommendation is 2-4% of the body weight. However, small dog have higher metabolism, that is why higher percentage is preferred.

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Nov 28 2008, 03:42 PM

Get organic chicken XD or kampung chicken

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Added on November 29, 2008, 2:42 amNot sleeping forever.. it just stops their activity, and they will wakes when you take them out of fridge, when defrosting or thawing them.

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Nov 29 2008, 02:42 AM

bones, other then for the calcium, phosphorus and minerals and other nutrients.. its actually to exercise its jaw and clean the teeth.

If you guys grind everything, then they mah no nid bite? xD

Haha.. got many version wor.. some just mix together because easier... some prefer let their dog bite it (and will be messier). Some grind everything... and some other people just give the meat with bone together. Perhaps it will be better to grind it for main meal, and give him a bone for bite bite once a week?

FYI I do not feed BARF, but I research and reads a lot over the months already. Would love to share to know more

pasar pagi got.. hypermart dun have meh? Those usually sell in whole chicken.

Just a note for those who is adding eggs into blender and blend..

Make sure your egg do not have the red word printings.. remove that red part before blend them. Best of course is kampung eggs

And, if your dog is small, its best to blend the eggshell into powdery form, because bigger piece might choke the dog. Do the shell first then add in other vege.

Just a note for those who want to start BARF,

Make sure you have the knowledge on BARF feeding. Some people might say if you are scare that you can't give a complete balance meal, just buy the pre-packed one. Before you BLINDLY buy them, ask them for the ingredient PRECISELY and the proportion of them. Our BARF market in Malaysia is still not well developed. Not like the other country, where they have this company preparing BARF with all the nutrition tested.

Main concern, source of the meat. If it is chicken, ask them what kind of chicken, pasar chicken or carrefour chicken. Ask them, rib, thigh, drumstick or what? If offals added, is it beef/lamb/chicken/pork? Grounded meat and bone. How many % of meat? How many % of bone? Vegetables added, specific what is the vegetables, and how much was added? Supplement added, and what supplement is that? Named it to the details. But I can rest assure you, they won't be telling you 100% because its their "Secret Recipe". And please be aware that your dogs on BARF need a rotation of food. Sticking to one recipe won't do your dog good. Go for more variety for more balance vitamin and minerals.

Be aware of some bad traders adding in cheapo meat and sell at higher price. I don't know if there is any at the current market, but please be aware. Do not risk your dogs' life.

Best of BARF, learn and do it yourself, so you get to see how it is prepared, the hygiene, and confident about what goes into your dogs' stomach. Learn about supplements, and how much to be added. Over dose will do no good.

I am not against anybody here, just voice out my opinion.

I'm not a nutritionist, so I can't tell how much is perfect. Even then, a lot professionals saying different things. I am just stressing that you need to know what you are feeding, not risking your dog's life. Know what goes into your dog's stomach. Perhaps we should ask their opinion regarding how much meat n bone is the "perfect" combination.

Furthermore, each type of meat contain different amount of calcium n phosphorus, hence the amount of bone needed is different too.

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Dec 11 2008, 07:41 PM

LOL, if I were to buy BARF, I would prefer no supplement added, so I will just add myself. For example, fish oil, don't see the need to freeze the fish oil along with the meat. Furthermore, most of the supplement is best to be added right before meal.



So there is the concern. does the bones in this one is enough? For the meat:bone ratio. Like Crazymouse said earlier, some recommend 50:50 for meat:bone, and some say 80% meat 10% bone 10% offals. It would be best if this commercialized BARF would tell their proportion and why is it so, and not the other way round It would be more convincing that way

I would not feed my dog with the mix without proper research

By the way we should discuss how is the proper BARF should be, so we all can learn and at the same time judging the commercialized BARF. To buy or to prepare our own is individual choice

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Dec 12 2008, 03:33 AM

That's why I said they won't be telling you the recipe But for your dog's sake, you have the right to ask what is inside. Like the main thing, how much bone and how much meat. What vegetables and supplement added. Ain't that is basic thing a customer should know?

However this is stretching too far away promoting the people selling BARF. Yes, commercialized barf is whoever making it and sell it. I am not against anybody who is doing that, nor I say any BARF sold out there is not at proper amount, as I did not try them before. I just ask the customer to be aware. Get more info and do not buy BLINDLY. There might be some people taking the opportunity selling cheap BARF!! But I don't mean that they aren't good one out there.

LOL I once tried to freeze apple alone, and it works well staying in the original colour... but when I take out, in a while only it turns black LOL... so I obmited apples in the meal, and give them freshly peal as treats

I also find difficulties when blending greens. But I don't care lah, just blend no matter how difficult, when they are mashed, it will auto have the moisture to "run" in the blender. Perhaps you can blend in cucumber since cucumber contain more water.

I have read somewhere not to feed fruits together with vege, I forget where and why already. It says its best to feed fruits at least an hour before or after the main meal. But because of the apple incident, I took away all fruits from the diet, and just add as treat, since I no longer giving commercial treat. *well, trying to finish my last bit of commercial treat though*

I make mix fruits puree (sherbet) as treat

Yes you are right they (the commercial treat) should be in the bin. But for some reason I'm keeping it. You may ask why, but then this is more to personal reason. If you insist to know, just pm me, as I see no point telling in this BARF thread.

And regarding the freebies from the events, I do not toss them into the bin, but I gave it to some dog owners who feeding tablescraps, rubbish and also to the dogs that wander around mamak. There are still many dogs that are not eating properly. A not so good kibbles is still anyhow better then leftovers.

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Added on December 14, 2008, 7:27 pmIt may, or may not cheaper then kibbles If you are feeding normal meats, it may be cheaper.

But I know some that are feeding expensive imported meats, aussie beef, nz mutton, kangaroo, venison, crocodile meat this and that that I have never tasted before too! And if you go on with organic, it is even more to a bomb

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Dec 14 2008, 07:37 PM

FYI I don't do BARF I do HCF (homecook food) but I came across a lot BARF when I doing my research. So I am just sharing with what I know. Generally most ingredient in BARF and HCF are similar. The major different is the preparation, proportion, and the bone

Perhaps we should have another proper thread for HCF includes all the treat baking recipe. Planning to bake some this week.

Alright, back to BARF. other then Dr.B that dongdong and yang said, what about Pitcairn? Anybody have a copy of Dr.Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for dogs n cats?

http://www.drpitcairn.com/books/pitcairn_book.html

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Dec 15 2008, 01:02 AM

I agree! I feel so happy when my gals licks her bowl clean on her HCF.

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Dec 15 2008, 01:56 AM

@dongdong
FYI, my Sushi is not a silky =) And I do not BARF for a reason. No need post the reason here because I don't want to invite debate LOL...I know how BARF supporter stand on their feet as I read a lot. I don't need them to tell me BARF is better or what But I also understand my choice =) However, this doesn't means I will not try in future. My concern is not the theory of BARF but its more towards the source we can get in Malaysia. And I like Sashimi but don't like Char Koay Teow...

May I know what is the title of the book you were saying?

You got the book right? Just do us a favour find the title for us since you recommend reading it

Do you mean "Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog, 2nd edition, by Wendy Volhard and Kerry Brown, D.V.M." talks about kibbles and supplement too\?

LOL, they definately get cheaper them RM6 for the chicken. They need the whole farm for it. Whenever you get stuff for wholesales, its at least half of the price already.