hey friends, i am selling BARF, and send around Klang Valley area. if interested please pm me!

yup most of us will not switch back to kibbles unless no time to prepare it! my dog always has soft stool problems but after feeding BARF totally no soft stool!

i have seen strays eating rotten meat before, now they are still alive, so no worry about our fresh BARF!

for industrial one should be more than thousand.

i meants this type haha....yes for restaurants use will be about thousands.

houeshold one i m not sure. but i doubt normal one can grind bones.

for few kg of meat is ok. but i think it is time consuming to do it myself if it is a small breed dog and dont eat much. i think economy of scale is applicable here.
some may choke themself. some may be too hungry to swallow the whole drumstick. grinding is easier for digestion also. but it is advisable to give raw bone once per week.

if no grinding, they will choose meat and leave vege there. grinding mix them together. apple cider vinegar also will spread evenly in meat, helping kill some bacteria.

aiyo, Malaysian poultry market is hopeless sometime, all hormone all that. even human also has to suffer from it.

why fail? your dog cant take it?

yes give raw, no cooking. but egg white is not advisable to give raw as it will cause thiamine deficiency.

cats are fussy, if they dont like they wont eat untill they die....

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Added on December 4, 2008, 1:09 ami am gonna send BARF to customer tomorrow, anyone interested please PM me. Thanks.

This post has been edited by dongdong86: Dec 4 2008, 01:09 AM

yes i agree with White Palace. Nutritions are very important since we want our pet the best. All the high end kibbles are balanced in nutrition so if you want your BARF to be superior than any kibbles please do more research on it.

For my BARF, Else than Meat, bones, vege and fruits, vitamins, minerals, garlic powder, sea weed powder, palm oil, home made yogurt and etc are added in BARF so to "back up" any deficient nutrition and to improve health of pets.

Anyhow, i still think BARF is better than any kibbles even if some nutritions may be deficient.

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Added on December 5, 2008, 3:14 am

picture of 600g BARF.

This post has been edited by dongdong86: Dec 5 2008, 03:14 AM

do throw away egg white also.

It cost about 1 thousand. some smaller ones can only grind chicken keel. if got 5 thousands or more, then can only grind bigger bone one.

my dog also start BARF from 2 month old

i give mine frozen as it is hard and can exercise its jaws. Now i give pork bone, but seems that it is hard to bite even for my super chewer Jack Russell...

GOOD POINTS!!!

This should be one of my considerations when i do BARF. Well, i can make sure 99% customer satisfaction. As in now, our BARF main meat is chicken keel which is very meaty and less bones, it is very expensive also. We want to start adding fish oil even it sounds silly, at least from business view point, but we want the best for your pets

Lets the quality prove the games.

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Added on December 11, 2008, 11:08 pmWe are also looking for large amount of wild boar supply, as it is "wilder" then normal farm chicken, less artificial thingy in the meat, safer for pets. Other than that, other meat such as lamb and beef are also available.

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Added on December 11, 2008, 11:35 pmI dont mind sharing some method of judging quality of a commercialized BARF.

1) De-freeze it, then see how many water coming out. For little amount of water, it maybe fruit or vege juice, apple cider vinegar and blood. If a lot of water come out, there may be water added in BARF. Water is FREE substitute to expensive meat.

2) De-freeze it, try to smell whether got rotten or weird smell or not. Rotten smell means it is not fresh. But do differentiate well between meat smell and rotten smell, especially chicken, sometime chicken smell may be disgusting.

3) See by your eyes, you can see vege, meat, bones, oil in it. The color of it should be fresh red but not dark red. Dark red means too much CHEAP liver added.

4) Your dog will know everything. Dogs like fresh meat but not rotten one, pure BARF without water, right portion of meat:vege:fruits. if you are feeding cats, good. Some cats dont like BARF at all, but most cats dont like cheap BARF!

5) A nutritious BARF will make your dog more active, fur more shiny. But you need a strong observation for it.


Else than Tails Unlimited in Sungai Long and Pet Epicure in Taman Melawati, any pet shops else selling BARF also? Have to mention this two are both pet rescuers which have done their social responsible parts.

This post has been edited by dongdong86: Dec 11 2008, 11:35 PM

thanks
Some customers want readily made, we want to do like this also, but seems troublesome for customers.

Oh i forgot to mention we add bones which are softer in the BARF also like rib bones. so the grinder can grind it and mix with meats. From Dr.B, he suggested 60% for meat only, which i think chicken keel is enough for this 60% of meat, then some bones, vege, fruits which consist 40% of the weight.

Actually you can put some cheap things in BARF, then you do experiments mentioned above, you will understand. erm...i think iluv2zzz know this!

Yup, for some ppl busy working, we provide them convenience. For ppl in suburban with little budget but extra time, I will still encourage them to DIY, summore i can provide simple recipes of BARF. Sharing is caring mah

White Palace,

My dark red refers to dark until a bit greyish. I know apple will make it a bit dark, but actually there is a way to prevent it, try to search on some information.

adreina,

If you want quality, sure it is expensive. high quality meat, bones, vege, fruits, supplements all are not cheap. If you give cheaper alternatives like chicken neck, carcass all those cheap but not so good part, it may be cheaper.

But in long term, you will find it cheap because your dog is more healthy, thus reduce vet expenses. This is one of the reason why most vet dont recommend BARF as they will not have so many business. They recommend Hill's. Summore, you dog live longer.

I am pursuing a life like yours, but it needs $$$

Nice book, thanks for you information. But in here i cant find this book. But in MPH there is a book briefly introduce BARF and a lot of critics on kibbles and can foods. Wanted to buy it for my reference. almost same with this Pitcairn book. this book also introduce homeopathic which i believe deeply. It is much better than any vets' pills. summore lesser or no side effect. We have this book, actually any dog have health problems, you can ask me. perhaps i open Homeopathic thread while you open HCF thread

FYI, you may really try BARF for some periods, you will see very significant effect compared with HCF, as my friend tried on her dog before, also a silky. My friend at first dont believe in raw food but she gave it few weeks to try. after that the effect impressed her. but she still did not believe sashimi but char keow teow, so she steam it. But no matter how good char keow teow is, still sashimi is the best, because skin and health problem came again. Then no choice she turn back to raw BARF, till now, her silky lives healthy and active.

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Added on December 15, 2008, 3:32 amI strongly agree with what you said, it makes sense mate.
Now i would really try to throw materialistic behind and start concerning more on health, self-improvement and pet welfare.

This post has been edited by dongdong86: Dec 15 2008, 03:32 AM

oh sorry, i thought you dog is silky. em...it is still your choice then, btw HCF or BARF are still better than any kibbles and can food. Well, for sources of meat, you can search for wild boar, and some imported meat.

I dont remember the book title, but you can try search in MPH, i think you can easily find it.