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post Nov 12 2010, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Nov 12 2010, 10:05 AM)
i feed raw chicken breast meat to my shih tzu pup, 4 months old..

as the poo still soft, so still trial/error by add one more bone.. i noticed that for chicken breast meat, my pup just swallow piece by piece..lazy to chew  doh.gif maybe the teeth not fully grown yet..

as for the organ parts, can i always feed the same chicken organ? or must i change the organ part once a while?
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y not chop it to smaller? so big, my pup also telan 1 @.@ chop smaller abit, can eat longger...lol

QUOTE(bchan28 @ Nov 12 2010, 10:05 AM)
Worm as big as noodle ...omg.....thats scarry. But after deworm the dog should fine. Yes my boy don't like kibbles, he will only eat when he is really really hungry if not he will smell it and walk away. I try to feed him chicken neck yesterday and he eat it like no tomorrow....hahahaha...Happy to see that. And this morning the poo is abit soft and white grey in color. Hope to switch to barf soon.
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wats act is deworm or mka? lol.... i jus buy d pill...isdat call deworm? XD

white grey in color? ooo..i thought its from milk... lol....


ooo...can feed neck onli? wanna buy also.. much cheaper...lol
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wats act is deworm or mka? lol.... i jus buy d pill...isdat call deworm? XD

white grey in color? ooo..i thought its from milk... lol....
ooo...can feed neck onli? wanna buy also.. much cheaper...lol
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Deworm pill is the pill that kill all the worm i think (correct me if im wrong) and MKA is Malaysia Kennel Association (birth certicaficate for the pup). And for the grey white poo...I never feed my boy any milk products so not sure why. From information i gather from some of the dog lover, they said dog need boney meat more than just pure meat. And chicken neck is softer than other part of chicken so I start with chicken neck first if he is ok with that I will start feeding him chicken wing and other boney meat.


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post Nov 12 2010, 10:58 AM

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[quote=bchan28,Nov 12 2010, 10:33 AM]
wats act is deworm or mka? lol.... i jus buy d pill...isdat call deworm? XD

white grey in color? ooo..i thought its from milk... lol....
ooo...can feed neck onli? wanna buy also.. much cheaper...lol
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Deworm pill is the pill that kill all the worm i think (correct me if im wrong) and MKA is Malaysia Kennel Association (birth certicaficate for the pup). And for the grey white poo...I never feed my boy any milk products so not sure why. From information i gather from some of the dog lover, they said dog need boney meat more than just pure meat. And chicken neck is softer than other part of chicken so I start with chicken neck first if he is ok with that I will start feeding him chicken wing and other boney meat.
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icici.... mayb i shud try neck also since its cheap XD


u noe anythin ab vaccinated? wats it ab? lol....
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post Nov 12 2010, 11:22 AM

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[quote=low yat 82,Nov 12 2010, 10:58 AM]
Deworm pill is the pill that kill all the worm i think (correct me if im wrong) and MKA is Malaysia Kennel Association (birth certicaficate for the pup). And for the grey white poo...I never feed my boy any milk products so not sure why. From information i gather from some of the dog lover, they said dog need boney meat more than just pure meat. And chicken neck is softer than other part of chicken so I start with chicken neck first if he is ok with that I will start feeding him chicken wing and other boney meat.
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icici.... mayb i shud try neck also since its cheap XD
u noe anythin ab vaccinated? wats it ab? lol....
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My pup start his first vaccination on 8 week i think (breeder do the first jab) then after a month i bring him to the vet for second jab and a month later 3rd jab. The next jab will be one year from the 3rd jab. I only do the 6 in 1 (cost RM35 per jab as my breeder told me 6 in 1 is more than enough to cover all those like parvo, kennel cough, distemper thingy). This is from my own personal point please correct me if im wrong. smile.gif
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post Nov 12 2010, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Nov 12 2010, 10:05 AM)
i feed raw chicken breast meat to my shih tzu pup, 4 months old..

as the poo still soft, so still trial/error by add one more bone.. i noticed that for chicken breast meat, my pup just swallow piece by piece..lazy to chew  doh.gif maybe the teeth not fully grown yet..

as for the organ parts, can i always feed the same chicken organ? or must i change the organ part once a while?
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While you can feed the same food again and again, it is nice to change once in a while so your pup wouldn't develop a rejection on other type of meats.

i usually fixed it with chick... once in a month, i'd switch to beef / pork / fish for a few days...

Switching to other type of meats needs normalization... (add in to her mains bit by bit till your pet can eat it stand alone)


QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Nov 12 2010, 10:19 AM)
y not chop it to smaller? so big, my pup also telan 1 @.@  chop smaller abit, can eat longger...lol
ooo...can feed neck onli? wanna buy also.. much cheaper...lol
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i would say leave it larger... if there is a bone with the meat the better... i started my dog with chick thighs... neck only is not advisible as it has too much bone content... you will see your dog poo being powderish when dried... it would also cause them to have difficulty in pooing...

i am currently feeding my dog a drumstick a meal... 2 days' meal (2 chick drumstick) cost me about RM4... so a month is about rm30... if get thigh i would need to chop it to half... with bones in the meat, my dog would have to work it to eat the meat first before finishing the bones... with that, she can't just swallow...

sorry i have hijacked the thread as i am not feeding barf but really just raw meat... (anyhow, my furkid doesn't like vege also... she would separate the vege out if i feed her barf... lol...
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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Nov 12 2010, 11:51 AM)
While you can feed the same food again and again, it is nice to change once in a while so your pup wouldn't develop a rejection on other type of meats.

i usually fixed it with chick... once in a month, i'd switch to beef / pork / fish for a few days...

Switching to other type of meats needs normalization... (add in to her mains bit by bit till your pet can eat it stand alone)
i would say leave it larger... if there is a bone with the meat the better... i started my dog with chick thighs... neck only is not advisible as it has too much bone content... you will see your dog poo being powderish when dried... it would also cause them to have difficulty in pooing...

i am currently feeding my dog a drumstick a meal... 2 days' meal (2 chick drumstick) cost me about RM4... so a month is about rm30... if get thigh i would need to chop it to half... with bones in the meat, my dog would have to work it to eat the meat first before finishing the bones... with that, she can't just swallow...

sorry i have hijacked the thread as i am not feeding barf but really just raw meat... (anyhow, my furkid doesn't like vege also... she would separate the vege out if i feed her barf... lol...
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u mean 1 week or 1 month? lol....



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post Nov 12 2010, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(myhugoboss @ Nov 12 2010, 12:02 AM)
mayb going through a 18page thread is not that easy..plus sometimes eventhough answer many times might be hard to know which page and wat is being discuse..  smile.gif
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I kind of disagree with this. As all raw feeders know, raw feeding is totally different than just scooping up some food and feed. We need to know and read more about what to feed, ratios/percentages, what things to expect in raw feeding, as well as basic stuff. It's not for everyone, as you can see. I myself took 2 months of reading and researching (online and otherwise) before I switched, so I don't think spending a few hours to read through a thread is a hard thing. If we really want to do it right, some effort is needed. Even just reading this thread I feel is not enough to learn as much as you can about raw feeding. If reading through one thread is too difficult, I would suggest you stick to kibbles for your dog.


QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Nov 12 2010, 10:05 AM)
i feed raw chicken breast meat to my shih tzu pup, 4 months old..

as the poo still soft, so still trial/error by add one more bone.. i noticed that for chicken breast meat, my pup just swallow piece by piece..lazy to chew  doh.gif maybe the teeth not fully grown yet..

as for the organ parts, can i always feed the same chicken organ? or must i change the organ part once a while?
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Do you feed just the breast meat in itself, or does the breast meat have some bone in it? It's better to have at least SOME bone in the meat. The keel and ribs of chicken are good also for pups since these bones are the softest. Dogs don't really chew because they don't have the same kind of digestive system that we have. When we chew, the saliva is helping to digest the food (hence chewing our food is good), but for dogs their digestive system starts in the stomach itself so they don't need to chew. When they chew,it's just to break the bigger pieces into small enough pieces to swallow.

When you feed organs (liver, pancreas, brains, kidney, lungs, etc. Gizzards and hearts are more towards meaty meat instead of organs as they are made mostly of muscle) especially to a puppy, the amount needs to be small coz organs only play a small part in ratio for a meal. Too much organs will cause loose poops. And yes, it's best to have as much variation as we can (meats, organs and bones) so that they get the best out of the different meats as each meat have their own nutrients.


QUOTE(mavericksam @ Nov 12 2010, 11:51 AM)
While you can feed the same food again and again, it is nice to change once in a while so your pup wouldn't develop a rejection on other type of meats.

i usually fixed it with chick... once in a month, i'd switch to beef / pork / fish for a few days...

Switching to other type of meats needs normalization... (add in to her mains bit by bit till your pet can eat it stand alone)
i would say leave it larger... if there is a bone with the meat the better... i started my dog with chick thighs... neck only is not advisible as it has too much bone content... you will see your dog poo being powderish when dried... it would also cause them to have difficulty in pooing...

i am currently feeding my dog a drumstick a meal... 2 days' meal (2 chick drumstick) cost me about RM4... so a month is about rm30... if get thigh i would need to chop it to half... with bones in the meat, my dog would have to work it to eat the meat first before finishing the bones... with that, she can't just swallow...

sorry i have hijacked the thread as i am not feeding barf but really just raw meat... (anyhow, my furkid doesn't like vege also... she would separate the vege out if i feed her barf... lol...
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Agree with this mostly. For beginners, it's good to feed slightly more bone as bone helps to firm up the poop a bit. Once they've gotten used to the raw meals, we can slowly decrease the amount of bones until the poop is the right consistency. It's better to feed in bigger chunks as it gives the dog a better chance to chew. Since they only chew to break the big pieces, it kind of makes sense to feed bigger pieces because we need them to chew. Chewing works out the jaws and cleans the teeth.

Honestly, feeding raw is not that expensive especially when you count the amount you will save from having to visit the vet too often. We all want what's best for our pets, no? Since we can feed ourselves 3 meals a day which definitely costs more than RM3, why not spend that RM3 a day? They only eat one meal if you think of it wink.gif

Sam, what we're feeding is still raw feeding, so it kind of falls under this thread too. I follow the Prey Model too, so I don't really give Scottie veggies except occasionally like treats.
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post Nov 12 2010, 01:15 PM

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Thanks Rayne and mavericksam...

i put one chicken wing for my pup to chew but see him eat like so tired moving the drumlet from left to right side of jaw and vice versa.. look so tiring for me haha...

balance part abit hard..just have to keep on play around with it.. think increase 2 wings and less breast meat(those soft bone part)


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QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Nov 12 2010, 01:15 PM)
Thanks Rayne and mavericksam...

i put one chicken wing for my pup to chew but see him eat like so tired moving the drumlet from left to right side of jaw and vice versa.. look so tiring for me haha...

balance part abit hard..just have to keep on play around with it.. think increase 2 wings and less breast meat(those soft bone part)
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Actually i enjoy watching my dog eat that way... i know she is working on it and actually they are good for the dog too... as Rayne has put it, it helps them to clean their teeth... prior to raw, i had to clean her teeth and give those greenies to keep her teeth nice... now i don't need to do that to keep it clean and nice breath too... so it saves some monies in that sense too...
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Just start my boy on BARF Diet yesterday and eat everything in less than 5 min (compare to when he is on kibbles 30 min also canot finish). But he is having mix of solid and watery poo this morning (alot of poo though). Is this consider normal as I just start feeding him BARF yesterday before that I did give him some raw egg and chicken neck for snack.

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post Nov 15 2010, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(bchan28 @ Nov 15 2010, 09:09 AM)
Just start my boy on BARF Diet yesterday and eat everything in less than 5 min (compare to when he is on kibbles 30 min also canot finish). But he is having mix of solid and watery poo this morning (alot of poo though). Is this consider normal as I just start feeding him BARF yesterday before that I did give him some raw egg and chicken neck for snack.

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I think it's normal if u just switch it.. Wait for the stomach to get used to it..
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QUOTE(Red11DEvils @ Nov 15 2010, 03:00 PM)
I think it's normal if u just switch it.. Wait for the stomach to get used to it..
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Thats what I think as well. He seem alrite playing with his toy, walk up and down but can see he is abit tired. Will feed him BARF tonight again and see what his reaction tomorrow morning.

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post Nov 26 2010, 10:46 AM

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wanna ask regarding supplying fish oil to pup...

which kind of fish oil you all use? is it the same fish oil that we human buy from pharmacy?


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I usually use fish body oil / salmon oil. Yes, you can get the oil from pharmacies.

Just to copy and paste back some comments I wrote re: fish body oil at another thread:
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There's no limit to how long to feed fish oil...it's just a supplement anyways, so if you feel like your pup's coat is good and you want to stop, you can just stop feeding it. I feed Scottie everyday, but the thing to remember is to get fish body oil / salmon oil..NOT cod liver oil. Also, note that the dosage of the EPA + DHA should be around 300mg combined per capsule of 1000mg (you can find this on the bottle label). Feed this amount for every 15kg of your dog's weight.

Scottie is about 6-7kg, so 300mg of EPA + DHA is about all that I feed. The capsules I have are only 200mg EPA + DHA, so I give him and Kenji 2 capsules everyday.

Alternatively, if you find this very troublesome, you could get the MyBeau supplement from the pet stores. I've tried it with Scottie & Kenji and they do quite well on that too...just follow the instructions on how much to give per meal



Hope this helps smile.gif
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post Nov 26 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Nov 26 2010, 10:56 AM)
I usually use fish body oil / salmon oil. Yes, you can get the oil from pharmacies.

Just to copy and paste back some comments I wrote re: fish body oil at another thread:
Hope this helps smile.gif
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Thanks Rayne... Reason I ask due some petstore fish oil more expansivethan those from normal pharmacies...
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Yeah, I normally don't get those from pet stores except for the MyBeau supplement. Human grade fish body oil is good enough...just make sure the EPA + DHA is at least about 300mg per capsule smile.gif
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I am feeding my boy flaxseed oil in the food and do you suggest to add some fish oil in it. Do you give the whole capsule or break in and mix it to the food?

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I don't really know much about flaxseed oil coz I follow the Prey Model. The reason I give fish body oil or feed fish to Scottie is because I want him to have a balance of Omega 3s and Omega 6s. But if you want to feed fish body oil, it should be fine also I think...so far I don't think I've read any cases where the dog gets ill from fish body oil tongue.gif It depends on the dog whether they will take the capsule as is or you would need to break it. Some dogs will eat the whole capsule, but for Scottie he doesn't like the capsule, so I'll break the capsule and squeeze the oil onto the meat for him.
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So I assumed Fish oil is good for my boy too. My boy also dun like anything in capsule form.

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I was just having a random discussion with a friend that day. What if you were to base your dog's diet solely on chicken rather than varying it? Would prey model that way still be considered better than budget pet foods like Pedigree and Alpo?

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