Sorry i mislead you, i didnt buy this as i dont really have that much money
i try search online in MPH also cant get it. another active member in puppy.com.my acsyen, also come this forum one, has a lot of BARF book, you may try look for this forumer.
thanks for the information mate.

Will get the mentioned book in MPH, and we can share knowledge here.

Grinding everything in is to mix vege and fruits that some dog may dislike together, make them can be so picky. also to make it safe for your dog.
not that your dog wont want to eat kibbles, it is that yourself wont let you change back to kibbles.

For kibbles, you can imagine how good can the costs be. one kg chicken, RM6 lah i calculate. to make chicken meal, one kg will become 200g-300g. so for some premium dog food, chicken meal will be 50-75%, so per 1kg kibbles, costs of meat is about RM12-RM18. plus all the vege, fruits, potatoes, grains, supplements, can you imagine 1KG can be above RM20-RM25? lets say economic of scale, reduce cost to RM12-RM15, then plus export, distributors profit, pet shop profit, how come all premium one cost less than RM20 per KG? Oh i guess there are compromises among the process......

maybe, but i am talking about Malaysia's cheap chicken, if Canada America, cant imagine how expensive will it be....make it RM5 also expensive already...

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Added on December 17, 2008, 3:35 pmAnother question for discussion. I have a discussion with other forumer in other forum.

He own a GSD, should be around 30-40kg, he said he feed whole chicken only, everyday 2kg. So i calculate, if for active dog, 3% of weight is 900g-1200g, for mixed BARF, means 60% of meat and bones and other 40% ingredients. So i suggest to give half chicken per day, and give some fruits and vege as balanced nutrition, but he seems to be very irritated of my suggestion. He insisted that his method is appropriate, but i said too much protein will burden kidney.

Tired lah, i dont intend to earn his money or anything, just correct his way of feeding. Since he dont want to accept, then i dont want to "advise" him anymore.

So what do you think?



This post has been edited by dongdong86: Dec 20 2008, 01:02 AM

hi kiukiu, me too. we choose fruits and veges depends on seasonal, same goes to Pink BARF, all are seasonal ingredients.

Dog which eating kibbles are super boring man, but we always blame they are picky, actually we are more picky...

chicken wing and drumstick is not advisable to give. other body parts are ok like ribs, breast, keels etc.

yup especially drumstick bone is very hard to chew for beginners, and it is harder to digest. so it risks the dogs. My BARF never add these parts. haha, chicken wings is nice for human but not necessarily puppies

yaya, i have forgot not every dogs are small breeds
i feed my Golden drumstick, he is ok with it also. My Jack Russell is ok too, but a bit slow. That time my friend's poodle came i dare not feed drumstick, only feed him grinded BARF, coz he often swallow without chewing. All of their poo poo are very nice, in powdery form. sometime i touch it then poo poo become like loosened soil. no bone inside. The Golden even had broken intestine due to his previous owner lack of experience giving it boil bone.

I found drumstick is sharp even after my dog chew it into small pieces. i hope it wont scratch their intestines. But so far no problem.

Another point is drumstick is expensive lah, feed carcass cheaper lah

Oh thx for the info, i have to observe again. My Golden's poop is more powdery, but JRT poop is like you said, firm and not too hard. both dogs eat same recipes of BARF

Maybe their digestion difference?