Thanks snowy_sharz for clearing part of my doubts..

I have tonnes to questions to bombard here actually.. just taking my time to figure them out. lol.

So here's a few. Are there many people taking architecture in your Uni? UPM, that is. Is the competitive level in that field high? Do your friends regret taking or rather, choosing Architecture as their course?

And yes, another one.. what are the chances that I can get to study what I desire, Architecture, In a local Uni, like UPM, USM.. etc. Consider the competitiveness.

Thanks a lot for helping me clearing my dark clouds.

Usually when you enter Form 6, you probably have to score very high 3 pointers to get architecture ( in my opinion ) STPM is harder compared to other examinations and even if you scored really well in it, doesn't guarantee you a place in the course you want. So if you have the money, go do something you really like xD Saves you from disappointment in the future.

Sorry to put this post in this thread, but this is for your info:

For those who got good results in SPM (8As and above), TAR College is giving scholarships for you to do Cambridge A-level there.

A-Level tuition fees (whole course)
- Science : RM8463
- Arts : RM6552

SPM:
9As and above -> 100% tuition fees scholarship
8As -> 75% tuition fees scholarship
To maintain the scholarship, you would have to get at least 60% in every test. There are no interviews (at least during my time)

Which means you would only have to pay Cambridge Exam Fees and a few other miscellaneous fees - About RM1800 in 2006/07, would have probably increased a bit.

If you want to take STPM, they also have it at TAR College. (They also have scholarships - same criteria as above)

What I like about TAR College is that they are a college, hence they have good facilities - 6-floors library, a sports complex, 2 canteens, ICT centre, many clubs and societies, good public transportation (near LRT)

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Dec 14 2008, 03:56 PM

but most teenagers would prefer to go out to further their studies right? why stuck at your useless hometown when you have the chance to go out and see and experience more?

It's good to experience the outside world. But my hometown is not useless. I'd love to stay one day longer in my hometown. When you leave your hometown, trust me, you'd miss it dearly. To those who will be leaving their hometown, treasure your time there while you still can.

I guess sometimes choose a location that near to hometown will be a good location to study. For some reasons, studying outside might cost a lot and it will be a burden to your family.



For Form 6, the advantage can be:
Local university - mostly 2.0 pointer can get into any of them, but depends on luck too, sometimes.
But for local university, you might got a chance that you are not getting the course that you want (happens a lot and I consider myself as a lucky one because I get the course I want), and saves money as well as easier to find a job with the local UNI cert.

However, you will be wasting your 2 years time if you failed to get a 2.0 pointer or with your Pengajian Am fail. For some reason, Form 6 is quite tough too, so make a careful decision.
Form 6 cert. is not useful for further study at other countries too (I don't know why they only accept A-Level).

that means Local Private Uni cert cannot find jobs easily, even though they are approved (diluluskan oleh) by MQA, LAN, MoHE etc.......??

come on, i thought that STPM/Form 6 cert is very useful if wanna apply for overseas University??

you're welcome
From what i know, UPM slashed almost half of the students intake starting 06/07 intake for degree courses coz they want to increase postgraduate intake to boost up their uni ranking. . Other unis i'm not sure.. There are a few types of architecture courses in my uni (pure architecture, industrial design, landscape architecture). For pure architecture course, there are only 40+ students in the course, whereby majority are bumi students. Chinese is around 15-17 ppl, no more than 20. landscape architecture has also around that figure(maybe slightly more), whereas industrial design consists only 2 chinese students, weird huh? <this is for my batch, but the juniors seems more or less of the same numbers>

About the pointer, to be safe, it's better to have 3.5+ or 3.6+ (this is what the majority of the architecture students got in stpm in my batch) in order to apply architecture, but this varies every year, depending on the overall stpm performance. Other uni like ukm may require higher pointer. so the best is to discuss with your caunselling teacher coz he/she will probably have the analysis results of what is the minimum pointer u need to enter for each course and uni. There is also a website (in chinese) 'quanshengweb' i think, it provides the infos of past few years of how many chinese per course, and total students per course, what is the min cgpa, max, and mod. so u can use it as a guideline but not sure whether the site is still working or not or under maintenance lol

about my fren who is studying 'building tech' in usm, his pointer is just 3.0+ but he put that as his first choice, so he got it. and his class is quite big. i think 80+ ppl in that course. wow that's a lot!

some got regret, some enjoying their course very much.. depends on oneself

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Added on December 15, 2008, 4:13 pmya lo..it's a burden to study far away from hometown especially when the bus fare keeping to hike up and cost of living is kinda high
and yes, one more thing, if fail in stpm pengajian am, then no more chance to enter public uni d coz that's the 'must' basic requirement
and yes, undeniable, f6 is not easy and kinda tough..

like latios said, sometimes depends on luck also ..
But i know f6 cert is widely recognised, most uni will accept, just that they didn't state it out maybe it's less popular compared to A-level , for example:
pre-university qualification: A-levels, SAM, etc etc and its [/B]equivalent [ .
so the 'equivalence' here mayb refer to stpm etc whch are not listed out but for this case, we got to contact the college or uni to confirm.

This post has been edited by snowy_sharz: Dec 15 2008, 04:29 PM

I am still undecided on pursuing accounting or engineering...

what is the minimum CGPA for applying this 2 courses in Form 6?
does cocurriculum affect the CGPA much? cause I am not active in cocu

is the subject offered and syllabus similar to CAL? is STPM in English?



So, why do ppl say study form 6 is for Local-U?

This post has been edited by macamtakada: Dec 15 2008, 05:01 PM

it is entirely up to u to choose either f6, cal, or sam.. if u have the fund and not willing to study for 2 years then go for cal or sam as the duration of the course is only 1 year.
but if u want to study pubic uni(degree) , the only option is either matrix, f6, or diploma.

To get accounting course in public uni, u need to get 4.0 or near to it. for engineering, if u r looking for electric and electronics or chemical engineering, again, u need almost 4.0 to get into 'established' public unis.. as for evaluation:
stpm = 90%
coco = 10%
stpm is not worldly recognised, but widely recognised.
In form 6, i did A levels past year papers and i would said that the English used is more advanced, more difficult to understand and digest compared to f6's. In terms of difficulty, form 6's questions are tougher. Just my opinion though. The syllabus are similar, however, f6 covers wider scope and need to study more things. Subjects offered are almost the same, except general paper ( the language used lol)

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Added on December 15, 2008, 5:08 pmi think the term used is not accurate. It should be 'public' uni instead of 'local' uni..

This post has been edited by snowy_sharz: Dec 15 2008, 05:23 PM

becoz people go study Form 6 is becoz so wan to get into public uni


if u study course like A-Levels or sumthing else from private colleges den its harder to get into public uni



i tink it had to do with sumthing like the fact tat people who do Form 6 becoz family kenot afford A-levels , so priority to them to get into public uni
just an untested theory lar

i did form 6 but i din go public uni
they offered me sum kind of new uni called KUKUM to do manufacturing engineering
my family wun let me go there

If u wanna take up courses like media, graphic design, etc, dun waste time on form 6.

wow, KUKUM is located in Perlis, kinda kampung town/state yea.......?
then, where are u studying right now? what courses?

if i'm not mistaken, kukum is now unimap

hmm.. maybe your hometown's a good one.. but for me, my hometown's defferent, man.. my hometown's the place where all the gangsters triumph.. that's why i say my hometown's a useless one..

Yeap, my hometown's best in the world: Malacca (I don't care what everyone else wanna say).

But yeah, all of us should have ambition and aim for something bigger, go out and experience the world.

Well.. For some reason, overseas might not useful is because they said that STPM is not hard enough if compared to A-level due to the medium of language used in STPM. STPM uses Malay and A-Level is English. The differences make it is harder for STPM cert holders to take a place in local university. If you want to study overseas, Diploma and A-level will be the better choice.

If you have the desire to go into local UNI, then make sure your pointer over 2.0 and PA (Pengajian Am) must get a credit / a C.

I tried to apply English course with my MUET results last year in an Australia university, and they rejected my MUET result (even I got a lower band 6) as they said that is not IETLS nor TOEFL.

Then about the cert from private UNIs, even though they are approved by LAN and MoHE, but for some reason (I hope you understand what I mean)... it will have a little disadvantage compared to local government UNI.




Yeah, perhaps STPM is usable in oversea universities, who knows (for local is surely accepted). Nobody knows why, but studying Form 6 is another way for us to get into local universities (include private).

And, macamtakada, STPM is in Malay, for some science subjects, like Maths S and Maths T, it will be in English.

For Aussie unis, memang need IELTS. Why did u even bother applying with your MUET? They won't look at it. And since u said u got Band 6 for your MUET, I'm very sure you can do very well in IELTS (8.0 or even 8.5 maybe). Just the fees pain.

And STPM is widely recognized by Commonwealth countries lah. You don't even need to translate your STPM cert for Aussie unis. They recognize/accept your STPM result slip just as it is. I'm speaking from my personal experience applying to Aussie unis.

And, for those who can only afford STPM and still want to go overseas, don't worry. You can apply to many renowned foreign universities with STPM. Sometimes, you may need to take some additional tests for certain unis. But if you can reach that stage, you shouldn't have much problem already. Only money problem. Your only realistic solution in this case is to secure a scholarship.

Basically, if you take STPM and you score 4.00 with decent cocu, you can go anywhere you want in this world. US need SAT tho. But SAT is kacang compared to STPM. (And you should take SAT in lower 6, not upper 6)

This post has been edited by Tangiers: Dec 16 2008, 01:50 AM

Actually it depends on what u are going to study for your degree level also. besides that;
$$ = STPM cheaper , A Level expensive unless you get full scholarship.
duration= STPM longer , A Level shorter(something like that)
Local Uni= STPM yes,but depends on your result
Private College/Oversea= Choose A Level
Well, it depends on your choice actually.hope it helps and good luck.

if money is not a prob for u, i thk u better go for A levels or other foundation course..
form 6 is nt easy, although some may say dat its standard has dropped, bt stil i thk its harder than A levels and those foundation..
stpm 100% final exam bt A levels and foundation u can rely on ur coursework mark..
so, chosse form 6 if only u wan enter local U and u r a vry smart and hardworking person..
if nt dun play play wf ur future..

dats my opinion lar.. i was a form6 student, failed to get course i wan in local U, end up paying more $$ go to private U..