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DIY T-Amp User V2, TA2020 AIR CORES!, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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post Nov 24 2008, 07:23 PM, updated 13y ago

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new toy in town, much better sounding rclxms.gif

look at these sexy TA2020
those offset switch are a breeze to tweak as they are really fine, get 0mV easily
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air cores baby!!!, notice the output relay so u get no pops
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epcos input caps!!!
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how abt the favorite TA2024
way better quality
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no cheap out put core here
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offset switch for that 0mV
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the thread with build info
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/763968

same warning..... flex.gif
**very important that you guys dont mess up +VE and -VE terminal on the power supply, it will burn the chip!**

new warning
DO NOT PARALLEL 2 t-amp output into 1 speaker, it will not double the wattage, instead you will at the end get no power at all!! MEANING BURN CHIP!!

t-amp? what izit?
its a type of amp produce by tripath, basically a much refine class-d amp.
there is ta2020, ta2024, ta2022, the 1 i brought in is ta2024, bang per buck you cant beat it
some good reading abt the ta2024
sonic impact T-amp which make this chip really famous!
http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/t-amp_e.html
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/sonicimpact/t.html
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/193312.html

Aattached bellow is the evaluation board for TA-2024

will add details and Q&A soon.

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post Nov 24 2008, 07:24 PM

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POWER SUPPLY

the best bang per buck power supply is Meanwell 12v 4.2A which are selling for rm55 ( yea yea as expensive as the t-amp tongue.gif ), you will only find 1 shop in jalan pasar selling this price, shop name Wize Intelligence beside Nixie.
hmm they got a website, www.wize-intelligence.com.my which is not working anymore, it was last time i check
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so how good izit? this is a brief review form our sifu biggrin.gif
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Y.C.
it sounded so much better than my other SMPS (which is a laptop adapter type)– less flat-sounding and less tiring over long period of listening with ample of reserves when demanded upon


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Jazzy939
I agree, as if the SMPS and the T-Amp was meant for each other!


other option will be SLA-battery, but some say it is not as exciting using SMPS, no review yet from our club smile.gif

spec and model of the mention smps are attached belLow, thanks to Y.C. for the link on previous thread.

what are SMPS?
please read here for those who like to read and understand how stuff work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply

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post Nov 24 2008, 07:24 PM

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the modding guide, sorry if the write up is not good enough, i tried tongue.gif Attached at the end of this post (#2) are the guide for modding in pdf by our sifu jazzy939

BEGINER STAGE
-the easiest modding and makes the most difference will be the input capacitors, those thing covered in black.
get the best capacitor you can afford here, higher value will enhance the bass and roll off the highs, 2.2uf and 3.3uf are recomended here, non polarize.

-change the supply capacitor, those 2 small caps in the middle just beside ta2024 chip, higher value will enhance the charity and bass, low esr caps are recomended here, panasonic FM seems to fit this job well, 3300uf 16v will be enough, change both of them ofcause...
here a review from 1 of the guru here on power supply cap notworthy.gif

QUOTE(Y.C. @ Sep 28 2008, 04:12 PM)
I had the opportunity to compare my own T-amp against my colleague’s T-amp last night when we were troubleshooting some buzzing sound together.

As mentioned previously, I have changed the 4 stocked caps of my T-amp to Vishay/ERO MKT 1813 2.2uF 63V polycarbonates and Panasonic 1000uF 16V electrolytics whereas my colleague has only changed the input caps to the same Vishay/ERO MKT 1813 caps. My T-amp is with a 24-steps 50K ohm Dale resistors attenuator whereas his an Alpha 50K ohm carbon potentiometer. PSU used is a 12VDC 2.5A SMPS, source a Sansui CD-X310 and transducers Q Acoustics 1010.

I would report the difference in sound of our T-amps described above as very substantial and prefer the unit with Panasonic low ESR PSU caps. The overall tonal balance and scale of music is both more balanced and larger. The low frequencies have more weight and this adds to the foundation of music making. I would not describe sound as dry-sounding but contrary to this, we thought both T-amps sounded moist enough but we arrived at the conclusion that the stocked PSU caps must be replaced so as to attain a more balanced tonal back and a weighty foundation to low frequencies. There is no pop/thud sound to both our T-amps.

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these mod will probably be enough for some, but i bet most will not stop here as once you start modding it you dont wanto stop, the diferences are just amazing thumbup.gif


ADVANCE
-input resistor and gain resistor, smd component are never known for sounding good, the input resistor on the board are probably 5% tolerance, i measure 19.6xk to 19.8xk on them, changing to 1% metal film or better will improve the sound, espcially imaging.

-as you can see some biascap and others being change as well in the picture, not sure how much they effect the sound, jazzy939 did this mod in 1 shot and are quite surprise by it

-bypass cap for power supply, just beside the power supply cap, c6 and c7. good power supply make a noticeably difference in t-amp

-soldering copper wire directly from 12v terminal to chip, again, a good power supply is important in any amp, since the original root is quite thin in size, soldering 2 copper wire to the ta2024 pin will let the chip have plenty of power to work with, espcially with bigger panasonic FM in. sorry for the lousy pic, it is solder to pin 25,26,29 and 30

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-output filter capacitors, c22, c25, c27, c28 (sorry no pictures yet), some say these are as good as changing the input caps, polyester 5% or better are recomended here.

-output filter coil, those 4 black thing, ferite coil gives dynamic and vivid signature to the t-amp, while aircore gives smooth and relax feels to it, up to the listener. other then that shielding the coil will make the amp sounding clean, haven try it tho, but good feedback from those who has done it.

bellow files belong to bro jazzy939, i upload it here for the convenient of others..

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post Nov 24 2008, 07:25 PM

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Reseve for more updates
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post Nov 24 2008, 07:35 PM

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haha yea, i bought the smps at the shop mention by jazzy, took some pic gona post it up, also some nice casing at nixie smile.gif


Added on November 24, 2008, 7:36 pmaiks.....should put power supplly and casing stuff before putting in the mod.....hmmm gona edit now smile.gif


Added on November 24, 2008, 8:06 pmarrrrrrrghhhh write a lengthy post then it decided not to load th page and i lost all the writting....

gona continue later sad.gif

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post Nov 25 2008, 10:27 AM

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will update some other sutff later tonight smile.gif
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post Nov 27 2008, 12:57 PM

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oh the relay and buffer pre-amp to add too i suppose?

tonight im free...duno got pc to use or not tongue.gif
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post Nov 29 2008, 09:06 PM

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sorry guys for the late update, been away for few days tongue.gif

QUOTE(Monkey King @ Nov 29 2008, 12:32 PM)
well i cant really tell how much it improves since i never tried the 1% yet... anyway...most 1% are quite cheap... 1/4W type would be sufficient eh? hehe

now i have an excuse to use my another t-amp to replace my car amp...

i furbared the car amp when trying to change the op amps... damn 2 layer PCB... too lazy to figure out where is the problem now..declare RIP...

well my question is, direct connect V+ to battery positive (with a fuse of course) and GND directly to ' - ' post of battery.

would this t-amp drain away the battery juice over time via such connection? since the board dosent have place for me to connect REM+

plan to use it to drive dual 6 x 9 at rear biggrin.gif
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yes it can drive your 6x9, as in how loud i have no idea. a 12v direct with an on\off switch is enough, if you tot off using the rem+, a relay can be use, REM+ have enough power to trigger a relay, tht was wat i did with my friend car amp smile.gif but watch out for aeroplane sound
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post Dec 5 2008, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Dec 4 2008, 01:19 PM)
My almost completed 3rd T-amp board (supposed to be with full discrete parts) which would eventually find its way into the casing of my 1st T-amp:
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As of now, there are only 2 SMDs remaining on the board: R7 and C5.
R7: 8.2K 1W resistor, the discrete resistor from Farnell is ¼W and I don’t quite trust the JP resistor (I bought both).
C5: 1.0uF capacitor. I’ve yet to figure out the placement of polarity of Panasonic cap for it. No specification from the schematics, this is output from pin 36 of TA2024 chip going to VDD.

The T-amp board with full discrete components doesn’t look too ugly, ya?  tongue.gif
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wow nice!!! notworthy.gif

im in for TT session if time and work premits biggrin.gif, getting back on my feet now smile.gif
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post Dec 16 2008, 01:11 PM

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wow nice update Y.C.
i have yet to start with the final stage...haha, lazy nowadays...

ijan , let the t-amp run in for a while

monkey king, mine was runing fine with car battery for months, but i did connect a few big cap near the supply of t-amp just to smoothen the voltage.
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post Dec 25 2008, 12:03 PM

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few holidays ahead smile.gif

gona get the tannoy up and running with t-amp for my pc smile.gif

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post Dec 27 2008, 12:45 AM

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my unit is runing, my ear is so posion by multimedia speaker i cant get use to the highs at 1st,i hear no highs biggrin.gif especialy im using a fullrange now....

i think t-amp will suits full range nicely as full range tents to loose out abit on the highs....

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post Dec 27 2008, 01:06 AM

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im getting use to it edi biggrin.gif

listening to kiki dee concert which i copy from pcworks...........nice!!!


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post Dec 28 2008, 02:47 PM

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my setup update
hmm sound certainly improve with some support on the speaker...better low end extension, seems better soundstage too, more highs too....amazing wat simple things can do


vocal is really thick and nice, but not for action movie tho...lags ommm....haha


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post Dec 28 2008, 07:03 PM

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hey cyl1000 got my pm?

collect when you come to my office again?
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post Dec 29 2008, 07:55 PM

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kww ill meet u up on wedsnesday same place smile.gif ss2 starbucks

t-amp need 100hours of burn in time according to alot of sifu.

ok cyl1000, see you then, hopefully im in the office.

loving my fullrange + tamp...hehe


Added on December 29, 2008, 9:13 pmjust compare mundurf and octave 2.2uf 100v dc, but mundurf boad is with elna audio grade 1000uf chip supply cap

mundurf better, wider and more body to it, more bass extension too... smile.gif

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post Jan 2 2009, 10:28 PM

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yes, as long as 12v dc smile.gif
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post Jan 5 2009, 05:35 PM

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i hear free hifi grade component tongue.gif

might be going to jalan pasar this sat, any1 wan the smps? pm me smile.gif

Y.C. see when you are free to drop by, else i might give you a ring when i go site alone...hahah tongue.gif
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yes, helping another DIYer too...

but im not 100% sure yet tht im going jalan pasar


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post Jan 9 2009, 09:40 AM

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tranformer as volume....hmmm totally passive pre-amp, nice housing too
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/Magazine/equi...udio_tvc_se.htm

gona work on the output stage of my t-amp after CNY, trying to get use to the sound with my tannoy before i change anything

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