i have been to dr vellayan b4..

whats up?

how much wey??

where to get??

THanx for those who came...n sorry for coming a bit late...kkekeke..

n hahaha...got con by my nick?? HAHAHAH...

eh...yesterday i put in d nail-o-matic n also d plastic chain in the cage..

they bite n bite n bite..abu(my ROUNDFACE glider) especially...bite here n

there...dangerous ka? i mean, they might swallow something from

the plastic chain n d nail-o-matic..sighh...n lick d kertas pasir summore..

helppp

guys guys guys..chill out yah....

right now..this is an info i receive from people..a few research that ive done..

before HPW came out, its BML...and before BML its leadbeaters mix...

from what i know...Leadbeaters mix is for POSSUM not gliders...

so since it is so sweet, they think that it can be fed to sugar gliders...

but then, in leadbeaters there is cereal in the ingredients, which is

not good for gliders..so they modify it, and there came BML...

they replace the cereal to something i cant recall...and they modify it

again, and then came out HPW...there are many gliders out there who

took BML, they get lumpy jaws..

here is a quotation by :

Misty Liu, President of the American Sugar Glider :-

We conclude that the current "BML diet" is not adequate, and in many

cases, harmful to sugar gliders. This is due to the presence of excessive

amounts of Vitamin D, the possibility of botulism and unhealthy blood

sugar spikes due to the inclusion of honey in the diet, and the presence of

foods with diluted nutritional value. In addition to these problems is the

general misunderstanding that feeding the "BML diet" leaves the glider

owner free from the responsibility of carefully providing a well-rounded,

calcium rich supply of fruits, vegetables and proteins. It can also be

concluded that the best diet and supplementation program would be one

that closely follows good health for humans, and which contains a human

multivitamin supplement, along with an additional source of calcium, if

needed, to maintain a positive calcium to phosphorous ratio.


Meanwhile in HPW...there is SOY in it...which we know that

soy products are not good for gliders..

Another quote :

"The facts are stated clearly - soy products in the diet of the studied animals is believed to have harmful effects on the body's digestive and reproductive systems." [xv] Why take the risk of Tofu when there are many other forms of protein

Meanwhile, about honey..there is a bacteria in those kind of honey's that

are being sold...eventhough it is not raw...its being process..the bacteria

is still inside it...

http://netlink.de/gen/Zeitung/970518a.htm
*check that link..honey can cause food-poisoning to babies under 12months

Here are some article that i extract from Version 5..

SOY INFORMATION
Soybeans are high in phytic acid, present in the bran or hulls of all seeds. It's a substance that can block the uptake of essential minerals - calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc - in the intestinal tract. Although not a household word, phytic acid has been extensively studied; there are literally hundreds of articles on the effects of phytic acid in the current scientific literature. Scientists are in general agreement that grain- and legume-based diets high in phytates contribute to widespread mineral deficiencies in third world countries.15 Analysis shows that calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc are present in the plant foods eaten in these areas, but the high phytate content of soy- and grain-based diets prevents their absorption.

The soybean has one of the highest phytate levels of any grain or legume that has been studied,16 and the phytates in soy are highly resistant to normal phytate-reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking.17 Only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans. When precipitated soy products like tofu are consumed with meat, the mineral-blocking effects of the phytates are reduced.18 The Japanese traditionally eat a small amount of tofu or miso as part of a mineral-rich fish broth, followed by a serving of meat or fish.

Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk severe mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well known; those of zinc are less so.

Zinc is called the intelligence mineral because it is needed for optimal development and functioning of the brain and nervous system. It plays a role in protein synthesis and collagen formation; it is involved in the blood-sugar control mechanism and thus protects against diabetes; it is needed for a healthy reproductive system. Zinc is a key component in numerous vital enzymes and plays a role in the immune system. Phytates found in soy products interfere with zinc absorption more completely than with other minerals.19 Zinc deficiency can cause a "spacey" feeling that some vegetarians may mistake for the "high" of spiritual enlightenment.

The article already mentions the important role that zinc plays. As for CALCIUM, it is needed for normal development/maintenance of bones & teeth, clotting of the blood, normal heart action, normal muscle activity, and serves as an activator of important enzymes. A deficiency in calcium can cause retarded growth, poor tooth/bone formation, Rickets, slow clotting time of blood and Tetany. MAGNESIUM is a constituent of bones, muscles & red blood cells, necessary for healthy muscles/nerves, and for proper body metabolism. A deficiency in magnesium can result in mental, emotional & muscle disorders. IRON is essential for formation of hemoglobin of red blood cells/provision of oxygen to cells and is a constituent of cellular enzymes. A deficiency in iron can result in anemia. COPPER is also essential for formation of hemoglobin/red blood cells and is an essential component of several enzymes. Copper is found in all tissues but its heaviest concentration is in the liver, kidneys, heart & brain. A deficiency can result in anemia, bone demineralization & impaired growth.

The importance of this article extract is:

1)soy products contain much higher amounts of Phytates than other grains/legumes.
2)phytates in soy are highly resistant to normal phytate-reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking & only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans but may not elminate it sufficiently.
3)phytic acid can block the uptake of essential minerals such as calcium, zinc, magnesium, copper & iron.
4)When precipitated soy products like tofu are consumed with meat, the mineral-blocking effects of the phytates are reduced.

For those interested in added protein for their gliders, you may or may not know that there are COMPLETE PROTEIN sources & INCOMPLETE PROTEIN sources. Complete protein sources come from animal food sources such as meats, fish, poultry, & eggs (studies have shown animal food sources provide the highest quality/most complete proteins)while incomplete protein sources come from plant foods like corn, grains, nuts, sunflower seeds, and legumes such as soybeans, navy bean, split peas, chick peas & peanuts. So for those using the BML diet, your gliders are getting COMPLETE PROTEINS via the Gerber/Heinz chicken baby food & egg used in the mix. Additional complete protein sources in the BML diet comes in the form of the insects being fed as part of the diet(crickets, mealies) so you should have no worries about protein deficiencies.

As for using soy products as a way to supplement calcium levels, if you're using the BML diet, remember that the Rep-Cal Phosphorus-Free Calcium with Vit. D-3 & the Rep-Cal Herptivite are added in the BML mix & both contain calcium. Also, excessive calcium should be avoided as it can cause constipation/kidney stones and may inhibit the absorption of iron and zinc. Finally, believe it or not, lack of physical activity reduces the amount of calcium absorbed. This is why night-time play and exercise for your glider is so important. Studies have been done showing that exercise helps increase calcium absorption and can improve bone density.

In summary, the phytates/phytic acid in soy products may actually impede the uptake and absorption of calcium as well as other necessary minerals in the digestive tract defeating the very purpose for which the soy product was being added. This could possibly lead to potentially serious health problems for your gliders. Please take the above information into consideration if using or planning to use soy products such as tofu or bean curd as a means to supplement protein/calcium for your gliders.

ON TO SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE:

Soy Protein Isolate is a highly-processed protein isolate where the soy protein is removed from defatted soybean flakes. Soy protein isolate contains over 90% soy protein. It commonly contains GENETICALLY-MANIPULATED SOY. While the soy protein in the isolate is easily-digestible, the use of genetically-manipulated soy and the heavy processesing which removes much of other elements of the soybeans make soy protein isolate a product to avoid where possible.

DANGERS RE: GENETICALLY-MANIPULATED SOY:

1)A recent experiment conducted by independent expert Dr. Alpad Pusztai in the United Kingdom has shown that genetically-manipulated foods can, when fed to animals in reasonable amounts, cause very gradual organ damage and immune system damage.

2)A separate followup experiment conducted by Dr. S.W.B. Ewen, a Senior Pathologist at the University of Aberdeen, has confirmed that it was not the "GNA lectin," but toxic or infectious by-products of the genetic manipulation process which led to the immune system damage and organ damage in the animals fed genetically-manipulated potatoes. Because it was not the lectin in the potatoes, but the genetic manipulation process itself which led to toxicity, similar results might be seen in animals or humans fed genetically-manipulated soy, canola, and corn over a long period of time.

3)there are several differences between the normal breeding process and the artificial genetic manipulation process. One key difference is the USE OF HIGHLY INFECTIOUS VIRUSES for artificial genetic manipulation as a promoter to switch on the introduced gene. One commonly-used virus is a highly-infectious form of the Cauliflower Mosaic Virus (CaMV). (The form of CaMV virus found in normal foods is not highly-infectious and cannot be absorbed by mammals.)

4)another key difference between normal breeding and artificial genetic manipulation is that the genetic manipulation greatly increases the RISK that the PLANT (e.g., soy)WILL DEVELOP TOXIC OR ALLERGY-CAUSING COMPOUNDS. Such unexpected changes have already been shown to occur in some genetically-manipulated crops.

5)the insertion of a new gene can sometimes alter the synthesis of chemicals in the plant. Such an alteration can lead to the change in existing chemical compounds in the plant (including a possible significant increase in existing levels of toxic compounds) or the development of new toxic or allergy-causing compounds. There would be no way to predict these effects in advance and it would be difficult to test for these effects without many years of careful, independent research on human test subjects. Gradual toxic effects could occur over weeks, months, years, or even decades and society would not be aware of the health damage until it was too late.

6)another major risk from genetically-manipulated foods is the possibility that regular exposure to foreign DNA and RNA material inserted into these artificial foods could cause allergic reactions or autoimmune diseases. Recent scientific research has shown that fragments of DNA from genetically-manipulated food ingredients can be detected in the brains of animals fed these food ingredients. There is evidence that DNA and RNA fragments can cause adverse immune system reactions including autoimmune disorders in Immunological Reactions to DNA and RNA. Scientists in the United Kingdom measured a 50% increase in soy allergies in one year. They believe that the increase in soy allergies may be caused by the increased use of genetically-manipulated soy ingredients.

7)finally, some genetically-manipulated crops are changed so that they produce their own high levels of pesticides. For example, genetically-manipulated "Bt" crops have been shown to emit very high levels of toxins. Plants genetically-manipulated to produce Bt toxin produce at least 1000 times more Bt toxin per acre than does a heavy application of Bt directly on the plants. This may lead to problems with long-term ingestion of such foods (such as non-organic corn and corn-based sweeteners). It has also been shown conclusively in scientific research that the HERBICIDES USED on some of these non-organic, genetically-manipulated plants (e.g., soy, canola, corn) ARE EXTREMELY TOXIC & CAN CAUSE BIRTH DEFECTS.


RISK OF KIDNEY STONES?:

oo much soy could lead to kidney stones
New research indicates that soybeans and soy-based foods, a staple in the diets of many health-conscious consumers, may promote kidney stones in those prone to the painful condition. The finding will be published in the September issue of the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Chemical Society, the world's largest scientific society.
The researchers measured nearly a dozen varieties of soybeans for oxalate, a compound that can bind with calcium in the kidney to form kidney stones. They also tested 13 types of soy-based foods, finding enough oxalate in each to potentially cause problems for people with a history of kidney stones, according to Linda Massey, Ph.D., at Washington State University in Spokane. The amount of oxalate in the commercial products easily eclipsed the American Dietetic Association's 10 milligram-per-serving recommendation for patients with kidney stones, with some foods reaching up to 50 times higher than the suggested limit, she noted.

"Under these guidelines, no soybean or soy-[based] food tested could be recommended for consumption by patients with a personal history of kidney stones," she said.

No one had previously examined soy foods for oxalate, thus the researchers are the first to identify oxalate in store-bought products like tofu, soy cheese and soy drinks. Other foods, such as spinach and rhubarb, also contain significant oxalate levels, but are not as widely consumed for their presumed health benefits, Massey said.

During their testing, the researchers found the highest oxalate levels in textured soy protein, which contains up to 638 milligrams of oxalate per 85-gram serving. Soy cheese had the lowest oxalate content, at 16 milligrams per serving. Spinach, measured during previous research, has approximately 543 milligrams per one-cup (2 oz. fresh) serving.

Soy, a natural source of protein, fiber and healthy oils, is used to enhance a myriad of foods, ranging from hamburgers to ice cream. It can be ground into flour and used in a variety of grain products, or formed into chunks and ground like meat. Soy is also being studied for its potential to lower cholesterol, reduce bone loss and prevent breast cancer. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration recently approved a new label on foods containing at least 6.25 grams of soy protein per serving that boasts of a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease.

Oxalate, however, cannot be metabolized by the body and is excreted only through urine, Massey said. The compound has no nutritional value, but binds to calcium to form a mass (kidney stones) that can block the urinary system, she said. Further research is needed to find types of soybeans with less oxalate, or to develop a processing method to remove the compound before it reaches consumers, she added.

No one knows precisely why kidney stones occur in particular individuals. But Massey said high levels of oxalate in the urine increase the risk and those with a family history of the ailment are more likely to suffer from the condition; individuals with a low probability of kidney stones are unlikely to be affected by oxalate in soy-based foods.

More than one million people were diagnosed with kidney stones in the United States in 1996, the most recent available data, according to the National Institutes of Health. Stones can range in size from the diameter of a grain of rice to the width of a golf ball. An estimated 10 percent of the U.S. population, mostly men, will develop a kidney stone at some point in their lives, according to the NIH.


CONCLUSION:

1) Based on all the above info., the possible health risks of using soy products/soy protein isolate for your gliders seems to outweigh the possible benefits. However, each member must research the pros and cons of Soy and ultimately make their own decision in the matter.

2)For those using the BML and/or another proven diet, there should be no calcium/protein deficiency issues

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Added on December 2, 2008, 1:16 amjust my 2 cents..dont bang me yah...just giving my opinions

This post has been edited by buttercup07: Dec 2 2008, 01:16 AM

http://netlink.de/gen/Zeitung/970518a.htm for the honey

other i got it from here...

http://www.critterhut.net/gliderknowledge.htm#_Toc100038352

n for the soy thingy..i got it from sugar glider v5 thread..

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Added on December 2, 2008, 2:11 amseriously headache d...read here read there..too much info..cannot understand oso..kekekeke

http://www.glidercentral.net/gallery2/main...navId=xa74d399b

http://www.glidercentral.net/gallery2/main...navId=xa74d399b

check that out...

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Added on December 2, 2008, 2:13 amhttp://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/368216/1
* ppl in glidercentral is also arguing bout this diet..dunno la..dun understand..care to read u all..im reading till im lost

This post has been edited by buttercup07: Dec 2 2008, 02:13 AM

wait wait..need to search balik..sorry lor..hahaha...

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/639684/+20

* here..someone quote it..then i copy paste it here..hehe

welcome anna...ur pics..it is not showing up..

how much did u buy ur glider? 3 months? u sure?

guys...i came across a post at garage sales...got 1 fella selling the

Sugar Glider Dry Shampoo,Pure Arye and Glider GLo Conditioner...

is it safe for our gliders? anybody try it before????

guys..have u seen the new ice age trailer?

got female glider inside..lol...a think..more like a glider..hahah

luc..ceyt podah..ajak orang dtg...bila orang dtg...

ko plak blah awal..tu yg ramai majuk ngan ko

i dont want to babysit..i want to adopt..can ar? lol

saramic recently just explain bout sugar cane when u buy it outside...

its not safe actually to buy it outside..coz the sugar cane will absorb any

water...so yah..soap, pee and whatsoever..kotor la...not good...

thanx to sambal issit? he jadi liddat?

staple food is something like we human..we eat rice, we need rice..them..

hmm..like me i give kibble...

eh..where to get monkey biscuit?? lol

wah..white tail? pix pleaseeeeeee