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Assclown
post Nov 29 2008, 02:37 PM

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anyone here taking creatine care to justify about the acne issue?
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post Nov 29 2008, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Nov 20 2008, 05:24 PM)
Contemplating whether or not to buy creatine supplement.  Anyone tried creatine, I see its not so popular here.  But people rave about it so much in bb.com  There are many types of creatine, which type and brand u use? Is it real worth it?
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yes........... i took creatine it before... for a yaer or two.....

i took it for my pre-workout meal with my shakes... suprisingly, it makes me able to do few more reps........

FYI, beef also high in creatine
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post Nov 29 2008, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Nov 29 2008, 06:48 PM)
yes........... i took creatine it before... for a yaer or two.....

i took it for my pre-workout meal with my shakes... suprisingly, it makes me able to do few more reps........

FYI, beef also high in creatine
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does creatine cause u to get acne? apart from that, what are the negative side effects?
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post Nov 29 2008, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(tineagle @ Nov 29 2008, 11:48 AM)
Bullshit. You will notice that ANY form of act that causes jealously in other men(eg. bodybuilding) will have the standard 'DONT DO IT OR YOUR PENIS WILL BECOME SMALLER!!' quote to scare 90% of men out there so that the jealous few don't feel intimidated by us.

*this can be applied to so many other MYTHS, I'm sure you can relate to quite a few that says 'dont do it, your penis will become smaller'

As for the kidney failure, if you're taking 30g of creatine everyday for years, your organs will SURELY be overworked. Everything should be done in controlled moderation.
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That's why I'm still using creatine laugh.gif
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post Nov 29 2008, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Nov 29 2008, 04:32 AM)
That's why I'm still using creatine laugh.gif
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But u need to stop using it after 2-3 months right
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post Nov 29 2008, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(Assclown @ Nov 29 2008, 06:53 PM)
does creatine cause u to get acne? apart from that, what are the negative side effects?
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No acne at all(as usual), just faeces will be very hard even thought I drink like 1 liter of water when consuming it and a total of around 5 liter of water for the whole day.

I do not know about the "acne" issue, maybe it's different from human to human.

QUOTE(Hamilton @ Nov 29 2008, 10:04 PM)
But u need to stop using it after 2-3 months right
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Well, a "1 tube" cycle for me icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 30 2008, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Nov 29 2008, 10:29 PM)
No acne at all(as usual), just faeces will be very hard even thought I drink like 1 liter of water when consuming it and a total of around 5 liter of water for the whole day.
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so i guess one who takes creatine has to increase his fiber intake as well biggrin.gif
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post Nov 30 2008, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Hamilton @ Nov 29 2008, 10:04 PM)
But u need to stop using it after 2-3 months right
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There are a few methods of consuming creatine. If you're cycling it, then the break period is required.
Another method of using creatine is by taking 1 serving as an additional food supplement. Eg. post workout when your creatine stores are low or on days that you could not manage to eat enough meat..etc.
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post Nov 30 2008, 06:44 PM

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Creatine did cause occasional bloating (stomach) and cramps at the leg calves. But nothing to fuss about.

About recycling, there is no complete study on the safety of long term usage, some say you dont need to cycle it, just make sure u are well hydrated. Some just take it for 2 months, off 1 month, then restart the cycle again. These are all personal preference.

I opt the later. Better be safe than sorry =p


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I went for a regular health check & my creatinine level was above normal, other readings ok.

Funny, cos the test was done 1 mth after i stopped taking ON serious mass.
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post Dec 13 2008, 03:35 AM

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i did some research and found out that many people who consume creatine complain of problems such as kidney stones and enlarged heart.
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QUOTE(Assclown @ Dec 13 2008, 03:35 AM)
i did some research and found out that many people who consume creatine complain of problems such as kidney stones and enlarged heart.
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shocking.gif enlarge heart... i tot there was a thread about a 24 yr old guy died with a enlarged heart due to some sort of stress or wat. Omg.
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QUOTE(Assclown @ Dec 13 2008, 03:35 AM)
i did some research and found out that many people who consume creatine complain of problems such as kidney stones and enlarged heart.
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may give me some link for your research? Kinda interesting.
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post Dec 14 2008, 06:29 AM

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read the replies from users. you'll be surprised how many are affected negatively.
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post Dec 14 2008, 10:14 AM

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The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of long-term Cr supplementation on blood parameters reflecting liver and kidney function. Twenty-three members of an NCAA Division II American football team (ages = 19-24 years) with at least 2 years of strength training experience were divided into a Cr monohydrate group (CrM, n = 10) in which they voluntarily and spontaneously ingested creatine, and a control group (n = 13) in which they took no supplements. Individuals in the CrM group averaged regular daily consumption of 5 to 20 g (mean SD = 13.9 5.8 g) for 0.25 to 5.6 years (2.9 1.8 years). Venous blood analysis for serum albumin, alkaline phosphatase, alanine aminotransferase, aspartate aminotransferase, bilirubin, urea, and creatinine produced no significant differences between groups. Creatinine clearance was estimated from serum creatinine and was not significantly different between groups. Within the CrM group, correlations between all blood parameters and either daily dosage or duration of supplementation were nonsignificant. Therefore, it appears that oral supplementation with CrM has no long-term detrimental effects on kidney or liver functions in highly trained college athletes in the absence of other nutritional supplements.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12500988
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A group of 175 subjects received either 10 grams of creatine or placebo daily for an average period of 310 days. Diarrhea and nausea did cause three subjects to stop using creatine. But there were no other significant differences between the groups.

Researchers from Truman State University also report that long-term creatine use appears to be safe [7].

Twenty-three members of an NCAA Division II American football team were divided into a creatine group and a control group who took no supplements.

Subjects in the creatine group averaged 14 grams of creatine a day for three years. However, the researchers could find no detrimental effects on either kidney or liver function.

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/resear...atinesafety.htm



1st rule: Get yourself hydrated.
2nd rule: Do not take overdose.

I believe if you follow this 2 rules, there will be no major side effect as creatine isn't a new product, goverment/WHO will ban this product if they find the disadvantage is crucial. Most of the link I found only stated that overdose and continuously using for 3 years or more will get the other health problem than the water bloating issue.

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post Dec 14 2008, 07:58 PM

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Yup more is not always good. Especially true in creatine supplements.
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post Dec 15 2008, 01:02 PM

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ya, most importantly is consume it moderately and drink lots of water.
About the negative side effects of creatine, I've been taking it for 2 weeks so far and it causes dizziness when I consume it pre-workout. Post-workout, not so.... and it does make your shit watery.

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post Dec 15 2008, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Assclown @ Nov 29 2008, 03:37 PM)
anyone here taking creatine care to justify about the acne issue?
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i can tell you this
creatine CAUSES acne and it DOESN'T

basically, there are a lot of cases where people have taken creatine and have broken out within a day all over the back and face and then stopped their creatine and the acne stopped. So that is not just a phrase or "coming of age" teenhood acne but it is very apparent that CREATINE was the caue of that acne whether indirectly or directly.

Now, there are those that take creatine and do not have any acne at all,,,hell,they might not have any acne since they were twelve.

Where am I going with this? Your bodies are all different and individually special so no theory or written science hypothesis about creatine can be taken as true for every single 6.25 billion people on this planet. It's why some people break out into rash when they eat seafood, some die once they are bitten by an ant, some faces bloat up when they eat nuts.

Scientifically, do nuts make you die? NO. But if a body is allergic? YES

Scientically, does Creatine make you have acne? NO,lots of people and scientist will support this statement

But if your body is "allergic" to it? Yes. Obviously.

I have taken creatine and have broken out after a day of taking it and I was always acne free. I'm not talking about minor breakouts,,this were like 4 to 5 pimples a day. Then I stopped creatine and instantly,as in the very next day, my acne stopped. However I found out I was not allergic, I just did not take enough water. So I drank 300 ml of water every 15 minutes a day. Now I'm acne free and on Creatine again smile.gif
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QUOTE(Beachkid @ Dec 15 2008, 01:24 PM)
me

i can tell you this
creatine CAUSES acne and it DOESN'T

basically, there are a lot of cases where people have taken creatine and have broken out within a day all over the back and face and then stopped their creatine and the acne stopped. So that is not just a phrase or "coming of age" teenhood acne but it is very apparent that CREATINE was the caue of that acne whether indirectly or directly.

Now, there are those that take creatine and do not have any acne at all,,,hell,they might not have any acne since they were twelve.

Where am I going with this? Your bodies are all different and individually special so no theory or written science hypothesis about creatine can be taken as true for every single 6.25 billion people on this planet. It's why some people break out into rash when they eat seafood, some die once they are bitten by an ant, some faces bloat up when they eat nuts.

Scientifically, do nuts make you die? NO. But if a body is allergic? YES

Scientically, does Creatine make you have acne? NO,lots of people and scientist will support this statement

But if your body is "allergic" to it? Yes. Obviously.

I have taken creatine and have broken out after a day of taking it and I was always acne free. I'm not talking about minor breakouts,,this were like 4 to 5 pimples a day. Then I stopped creatine and instantly,as in the very next day, my acne stopped. However I found out I was not allergic, I just did not take enough water. So I drank 300 ml of water every 15 minutes a day. Now I'm acne free and on Creatine again  smile.gif
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I've had my fair share of acne problems when I was in my teens, but it somehow stopped once I stepped into adulthood. I've been taking creatine for 2 weeks now and it does not cause acne, so far. Whoa, 300ml of water every 15 mins? That's 1.2 liters every hour. Careful dude, you might get water intoxication.


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post Dec 15 2008, 01:45 PM

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Beachkid, you might need to go toilet every 15 minutes. It's very inconvenient to consume so much of water.

Creatine only do positive effect to me and no negative effect so far.


Added on December 15, 2008, 1:46 pmBeachkid, you might need to go toilet every 15 minutes. It's very inconvenient to consume so much of water.

Creatine only do positive effect to me and no negative effect so far.

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