http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/849813

A new seller trying to sell Paypal at a really low rate.
Of course I don't trust anyone who does not have much successful transaction in LYN.
I ask if he is willing to transfer 1st.
He did transfer 1st.
So i paid to his maybank immediately.

Amount: RM600+

This happens yesterday.

Next thing I know, the fund is reversed today
The seller does not know what happened.
Neither do I.

Seller use his brother's PayPal account to transfer back.
Then almost immediately, reversed also.

Funny thing, 1st paypal account have an Australian address.
2nd paypal account (supposedly his bro's) have an India email with no address provided.
Seller said we can easily change address. Fine.
Found the phone number of the account. Guess what. Prefix of India.

I had asked for his IC copy.
He didn't say anything or send it as requested.

He also keep asking for screenshots of my paypal showing the dispute.
I don't know the significance of it.
He should be able to monitor the dispute through his own account.

HOWEVER, I haven't concluded that the seller is a fraud.
Probably just some hiccups & unexpected problems.
I opened this thread just so I can discuss with fellow forumers.
Let see what the seller will say.

He seem to have sold some Paypal funds to other forumer (not sure) but they did not report any problem.
Paypal call for review of the transaction may indicate problem on my side or the seller reported (falsely) to Paypal.
However he denied any knowledge of how it happens & I don't see how I could have caused this.
I only use the paypal to buy stuffs online. I do not do any type of business, adsense or things like that.
Paypal is only used to buy stuffs.

Can some mod do tracing of his ip?
I will provide any proof needed.
I can still get to him. I have his maybank acc no. Which is enough for me to get his details, address, phone etc. Although will be a bit of a work.

This really sucks.
Especially happening while I'm having exam
Fortunately my US bulk is shipping soon & had ordered everything.

This post has been edited by caerulln: Nov 22 2008, 01:31 AM

as i said, i haven't considered u as a fraud just yet.
& i kept saying that if u are legit, do not take offense.

Well..i risk losing rm600+
of course i'm anxious

U also haven't explain about the Australia & India address.
& u haven't sent me your IC copy.
the 3rd time i asked for it.
Just send your details to me.
Address, phone number, IC. Anything so u can assure me.

& why do u need the screenshots of my paypal?
u can monitor the dispute in your own account right?
explain pls.

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Added on November 20, 2008, 1:18 amNow are u yelling at me??
The right to yell should be mine.
Why? coz u have been avoiding & ignoring my questions & requests.

U don't need to close the thread.
Most reputable seller here keep their thread open even after stop their sale so their customer have a place to discuss.

I'm trying to be polite here.
I respect the possibility that u are a genuine seller.
Try to keep it that way.

This post has been edited by caerulln: Nov 20 2008, 01:18 AM

Are u implying that u will resend the Paypal fund?
I don't want the funds anymore.
I dont want Paypal to keep reversing the transaction.
I want CASH in Ringgit Malaysia
tq

yeah please explain the inconsistency.
I want this to end peacefully.
It is quite some time since someone pick on me.
I'm just waiting for the chance.
I don't care if it will cost more than rm600 just to "release" myself.

I can do something illegal through our country's legal loophole (we all know how our nation legal system works)

haiz this sucks.
just send me what i requested.
& explain what need to be explained.
N.O.W.

so where & when can we meet?
just send me your IC photograph with a paper underneath it written "I AM ronssel"
do not scan. Take a picture. I just want to know who u really are.
I can do no harm with your IC copy.

When i started doing business here, some people did ask for my IC copy & I have no problem giving it.
I'm legit. Why do i have to worry?

u mean trick?
reason for that?
Why can't u use your real address?

trippin?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trippin

i don't understand.
rephrase your word.

obviously not smart enough to understand the word.
Still don't understand.
why don't u use your real address?

& are u preparing to take picture of your ic with the writing?

ok.
At least that will give me some assurance.
Remember to send me the proof (same like i requested for the IC copy. write on a piece of paper "i am ronssel", take photo)
post here once u bank in the money.

huh?
i'm telling u to PM me.
Not posting on the thread.
Do u think I'm that absurd?
Unless u are proven a con, I won't post anything private to the public.

Now I'm giving u 2 choices:
1) PM me what i wanted
2) Keep refusing (indicating u are afraid I will reveal to everyone. Which means u are a con. Coz as i said, if u are not, I won't reveal it. Nothing to afraid of) & I will just make a police report.

Easy & no-brainer choice if u are legit.
Difficult if u are a con.

yeah & I still need the photo of the receipt with the paper written "i am ronssel"

why?
coz a con can con someone else (let say selling a phone for rm500)
ask the victim to bank in to a maybank account supposedly his account (which actually is mine)
payment made. He did not paid a cent. Victim don't get the phone & i'll have problem (again).

That's why i need the written paper photo taken with the receipt.
Victic will argue "i'm not ronssel. Why should i write I AM RONSSEL?"

Understood?

did i ask u to give your original IC to me? no.
What's the problem?

FINE.
give the IC copy to a MODERATOR of your choice.
The mod will hold it until this case is solved & delete it without me even having a chance to see your face.
If u screw up, the mod will pass it to me.

by the way, for the bank in tomorrow i DO NOT need the photo of the ic.
But i NEED the photo of the receipt (no picture of your face on the receipt right?) AND the written note with it.



This is insulting.
You DO NOT know me.

Rule of thumb: Do not say things we are not sure of. We might regret it later.

fine.
we'll see what people here think of your stand of FEAR to give a copy of IC to a reputable trader or moderator.

you DON'T lose the paypal fund.
it will be reversed back into your account.

If u don't want to reveal your face or address (not that i can't get it myself - troublesome though), U have no problem taking picture of the receipt with note written "i am ronssel" ?
People here take pictures of receipts all the time & I have never had a customer having so much difficulty as this.

So confirm the problem is caused by the seller's paypal account.

Ok i allow him to refund me the rm500 he promised today.
if by midnight still no money in my account, I'll lodge a police report tomorrow after my exam.
really sux.
Probably lawsuit coz disturbing my exam?

didn't i post the screenshot already?
what else do u need?
U don't want to refund my money?

THE DEAL IS U GIVE ME PAYPAL FUND & I GIVE U THE MONEY.
This problem is NOT included in the deal.
Basically it just voids the deal.
Which means, I return the fund (which paypal will reverse) & u refund my money in cash Ringgit Malaysia (which u promised yesterday RM500 first)

U haven't answered a lot of question.
Do u want me to make a list so it will be easier for u to answer?

If u want to meet in court, no problem.
I don't know how much money u got from conning people, but I doubt u can find a better lawyer than mine.
My family especially my father is not a stranger in court.
I will fight u & will definitely win. Then I will sue u for my time lost dealing with this shiet, causing loss of time to study for my exam, causing stress bla bla bla.. will consult my lawyer later.

Will lodge a police report tomorrow hopefully.
If u guys want to join together, it will be a great help.
I'm located around Bangsar.

I have been waiting for so long for someone to pick on me.
Now that he did, I won't let him go.
If u want this to end peacefully, transfer my money & everyone else involved (IN CASH RM) before we find u.

Let me ask u one direct question.
Are u a scamming me or not?
Just answer yes or no.

If u are not, how will u prove yourself?
If i'm satisfied, I will definitely give time for u to refund the money.
I can understand that the fund is being held for the time being & U used up the money already.
I'm a reasonable guy when people are reasonable with me.

what do u mean your paypal state that?
This is the screenshot u gave me:
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see the "response received from seller"
means i responded already.
BUT U haven't.
My paypal still reads waiting for another parties to respond
Please respond ASAP.

I'm contacting Paypal now.