Yup, strongly disagree. Big difference between lossless and lossy.

Like Mpyw said, need to know your system bro.

The reason we ask about the system because some people uses optical from PS3 to connect to their receiver, which will mean all audio will be lossy and the 5.1 PCM track will be downmixed to stereo. Or set to bitstream when using HDMI which will downconverted to lossless core DTS/Dolby Digital only.

Laowai, looks like your system is in a good setup. I'm surprised that you couldn't tell the difference.

To me the difference is so huge, I'm not buying any BD without a lossless track. More details, accurate imaging, directional, wider soundstage, deeper and more charasteristic LFE. Example, when a glass shatters on the floor, you will hear the pieces bounce 5 times on lossless track, but on lossy, you'll probably only hear 4 times, due to compression. That is why the track is called lossless. Exact duplicate of the studio master.

I did a blind test on my own using Casino Royale between the DVD and BD, the music on the opening Columbia Pictures montage itself already giving me goosebumps. I'll say again, the difference is huge.

This post has been edited by aiman04: Nov 17 2008, 10:50 AM

Nothing to do about preferences. It's about the difference between lossless and lossy.

The word lossless alone will make you understand what it is. I know that in the end, our own ears will be the judge, but the technical part itself already explains a lot. Lossy audio the normal the bitrate is 448kbps, but lossless can be around 10mbps (example from Celine Dion BD) and more.

If want to compare, don't compare between different movie, must be the same movie like I did with Casino Royale. And must be the exact (proper) setup.

It's not about cables brands or speakers here, or any kind of placebos. But the audio track, the source itself.

Both DVD and BD tested using PS3.

I guess, like I said before, in the end it will be our ears to judge. But I won't upgrade to BD if I can't hear the difference, 50% of movie experience is sound. I would never pay more for BD, and certainly won't upgrade to HDMI receiver if it won't bring any new experience to movie watching. An old receiver with coaxial and a DVD player will be sufficient.

In fact, on BD, the sound is more obvious upgrade than the video, at least to me.

Well, to each their own.

You started this thread ask for opinions right? So I gave mine. Nobody's forcing anyone to change their opinions here. Enjoy your BDs bro!