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 Desa Park City? Anyone?, Price = Comfort?

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jchong
post Dec 15 2008, 12:44 PM

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Not only are the house prices in DPC high, I hear the monthly maintenance fees are also high.
jchong
post Dec 15 2008, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Dec 15 2008, 05:24 PM)
500k+ can buy a unit in mont kiara, can the facility in Desa park compare with mont kiara??
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I feel Mont Kiara has the better location, but in terms of facilities perhaps Desa Park is superior - you have the mini shopping center plus the landscaping/park and upcoming clubhouse.
jchong
post Dec 15 2008, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Dec 15 2008, 11:01 PM)
And well both are high density areas *grins*  I think I'm probably more suited for the Kampung living smile.gif

/me joins jchong @ Ipoh tongue.gif
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Desa Park isn't as much of a 'condo land' as Mont Kiara. A condo in Desa Park would still have quite unobstructed views.

Ipoh is a different kettle of fish, you sure you wouldn't miss the buzz of KL? I think I would.
jchong
post Dec 16 2008, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Dec 16 2008, 10:16 AM)
@jootat,
laugh.gif The fact that Jusco's there only tells us how populated the area is going to be - image all the traffic! tongue.gif
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That's the property paradox isn't it? Popular = populated = congested.
jchong
post Dec 16 2008, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Dec 16 2008, 10:16 AM)
oK Ok.. I'm just one of the few who couldn't afford a property at DPC hence all the negativity smile.gif
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Who said so? You could've.
jchong
post Dec 21 2008, 09:21 AM

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No, DPC is closer to 1U than Mont Kiara.
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post Jan 22 2009, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Jan 21 2009, 02:12 PM)
3.  I'll give u 2 examples of deals closed in the last 8 months.  By the way, we try not to limit ourselves to "area-specific" strategies.  It depends on where u find the deals, and whether it gives a super COCR.

(a) Sri Putramas condo, Jalan Kuching - 1,100 sq feet - transacted at 140K (Market value = 210k).  Loan taken 120K.  Rental = 1,100 (semi-furnished) Mortgage = 600, Gross COC return = 30%, Net return after maintenance = 17%.

(b) Faber Ria Condo, Taman Desa - 500 sq feet, studio.  transacted at 120K (Market value = 145k) Loan taken = 108K.  Rental = 1,200 (full-furnished) Mortgage = 550, Gross COC return = 65%, Net return after maintenance = 53%.
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Thanks for sharing your examples. Those are indeed good investments you've made. Your examples also bring to mind what someone once told me that you can get very good return from 'cheap' properties.

From this forum I've also learned to evaluate my investments using COCR. Some questions relating to your examples above: (i) should the cost of furnishing be included in the COCR calculation?, (ii) similarly what about other one time costs incurred like lawyer's fees for loan & SPA plus stamping duty?

Anyway, one example from me: 20'x75' shophouse in Ipoh (new). Price 332K, loan taken 90%. Rental = 2,900 Mortgage = 2,000. Gross COC return = 32%.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jan 22 2009, 04:54 PM
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post Jan 24 2009, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Jan 23 2009, 06:39 PM)
A sample of calculation involving COCR :
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Thanks! Glad to know the spreadsheet I'm constructing is on track.


Added on January 24, 2009, 8:12 am
QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Jan 24 2009, 03:25 AM)
Mr. Pai - thanks for the teh tarik session! Next time on me, ok? It was good to learn a few tricks from you....

I think your spreadsheet is comprehensive.  I use a similar template, but with just some slight differences in format.

Jchong - thanks for sharing too.

Just to recap on the formula

1.  COCR = Annual CF / DP of your property + One off Expenses.
2.  Annual CF = Net Operating Income - Debt payments.
3.  Net Operating Income = Gross Rental - Operating Expenses.

I normally go for ZEC packages and buy fully furnished. 

However, if using strictly COC perspective - IMO, it is a must for your capex and one-off's like S&P Costs  to be included together with your DP as acquisition costs.

Again - if we are running this like a typical P&L - we then have the luxury to depreciate the capex over a period of say 4 years, to "smoothen" out the impact.... But no point in kidding ourselves.  Has to be taken as part and parcel of your DP.

By the way, how's the Ipoh market in general? Any signs of stress?
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Yup, fully agree that we should have as low outgoings as possible to maximize COCR. So, zero cost packages are your friend smile.gif Buying fully furnished is also good. One thing about shophouses is that the tenant doesn't care about furnishing (since they will have their own plans) so that's one less item to worry about.

Ipoh market is slower. Fewer people eating out. Slower property sales. Car sales down. Not that people don't have the money, but I think they are more cautious in spending. Given the right deal or bargain, you'll see the money coming out.

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post Feb 2 2009, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Feb 2 2009, 05:49 PM)
@chicaman,
There will always be people in the market for 'expensive' products.  My neighbour recently rented her home for RM18k p/month unfurnished [well, her tenants received a RM2k discount because she'd wanted to leave some of the big bulky furnitures in the house]
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Good to know there is still a market for renting big bungalows. Rented to expat or local?
jchong
post Feb 3 2009, 10:40 AM

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Yeah, I suspected it was an expat.

When you say "modest" what's the sq ft built up?

 

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