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h71y6
post Jan 8 2009, 04:49 PM

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hey everyone... i have a MS too! Just want to share.

Her name is Kimi (after Kimi Raikonnen) and she's close to 1.5 years old now.

She is the sweetest pie and usually the star every time we take her along on our dinner etc.
However, training her was very difficult because she isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but she has a heart of gold!

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Traits:
1. Does not like to bark unless there are unwelcomed strangers outside of apartment. In fact, she does not bark at people when we are around her. I taught her to bark on command as well.
2. Very playful and friendly with kids and grown up as well.
3. i trained her to heel so i can walk with her without a leash but i only do so in controlled and safe places. Also being a MS, once they see a cat, she'll go crazy and chase it.
4. fully toilet trained (she does it in my toilet if necessary) but it took a lot of patience for me to train her. Tell her to "Do It" and she will force no matter what all the liquid to satisfy you.
5. Extremely well behaved with people, esp if we take her out. \
6. Tricks: Sit, Up/Stand, Heel, Hand, Hi-Five, Come here, fetch, run!, Down, Turn, Stay, Manners!, Pou-pou aka carry, go!, Do it!
7. She does not disturb our food and she only eats the food i give her. Not greedy.
8. Best of all, she is 100% committed to please me.

Other traits:
1. She does not understand things very quickly so it takes a long time to teach her something. Short memory as well.
2. Very sensitive skin
3. She hates water
4. She hates height
5. She loves to prey on anything and everything aka bugs, cats, etc.
6. She loves to to make friends and play with other dogs. ANY dog.

Just sharing this bundle of joy...
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post Jan 8 2009, 11:54 PM

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Thanks everyone for the kind words. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 8 2009, 04:53 PM)
Mind to share how you training her ?
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Sure.

There are a few concepts i learnt from my experience with previous dogs and books. It is imperative in my opinion to truly understand them in order to train.
Now Kimi isn't perfect so i'm not a master trainer or anything but these are strictly in my opinion.


CONCEPTS:
A. There is one leader of the pack and the leader of the pack should be YOU. i can't emphasize this enough because if your dog thinks you're just a member of the pack, then you won't get an easy time to get her to listen.

Example: Remember the dog you had. You were the one caring for her, bathe her, feed her, etc. However, there is one member of the family, like your dad or mum who the dog seems to be very "afraid" of. You see, in the dog's mind, you're not the master. Your dad or mum is! If in any case, the dog is at all, even once, aggressive to you, then you are not perceived as the leader of the pack yet.

B. Positive reinforcement ONLY.
This means that there will not no punishing physically, AT ALL! Basically, get her to do the right thing, by design or coincidence, and reward it IMMEDIATELY and ENTHUSIASTICALLY!
If she does the wrong thing, and you catch her in middle of the act, say NO strongly and only once. If any time has passed, like 5 minutes or so, after the wrong act, ignore it and don't make a fuss.
it will not understand what you are saying NO too because it can't relate it. Some dogs can but most dogs won't.

C. Dogs cannot understand humans. Humans can try to understand dogs.
This is very important. I find myself sometimes trying to logically get my dog to understand human concepts but that's crazy. They won't. We have to think like a dog.

Example: Say you come home from work, and the dog has chewed some furniture. Now by concept B, time has passed, and there's no use reprimanding it now. It won't relate. The problem if you do punish her, it will relate to the fact that when you come home, she will be punished!!! Not what you want.
So if you think like a dog, why would she chew on furniture when she has other things better to chew on? Well, maybe because she's bored and has too much energy. Or maybe there are too little things to chew on. Equally, if you don't want her to chew on item A, then you have to designate items B and C to chew on instead.

Basically, if you say one thing is wrong to do, we must show her then, what is the right thing to do.

D. Your dog is committed to make you HAPPY!
This is by far the most crucial. Everything she does, right or wrong, is because she thinks it's going to get some reaction from you, and attention. She might be coy and do bad things when you're not looking but maybe it's because you hardly spend enough time playing with her or exercising her. So she's trying to get your attention.

E. Be consistent!


F. A happy dog is an obedient dog.





Here is how i trained Kimi on a few things:
1. Potty training
Ok this wasn't easy at first. I didn't get a good sleep for 2 mths when i got her because i was dedicated to "catching" her in the act. Remember concept B? Well i can't cry over spilled milk.
Accidents will happen. When that happens, and you didn't catch her in the act, put her somewhere else where she can't see you. Then only clean up the mess. Get rid of the smell. DON'T let her see you clean up otherwise she will think it's a sure fire way to get you to get on you knees and touch the floor!!!! This relates to C as well right? cos they don't understand what we're doing. Also, the worse thing that can happen is next time she poops outside the area, she will eat it up because she's afraid you will scold her when you see it!!!! Not what you want.

Try to catch her during the act, if she is about to, quickly carry her to the right place. Now she won't do it sometimes because you just startled her. It's ok.
Usually after meal and water, play with her for 10 mins or so. Then she will start sniffing.

Lead her to the right area, try not to carry because she needs to learn to find the right place. keep her in there and keep repeating a command like "Do it" until she does it.
If she does do it, give her a treat and praise her.

I find it easier, if you take her on a leash outside the house where she can pass. When she does it, keep repeating the command, Do IT Do IT... once she's done, praise and reward her.
After a few weeks, she will understand what is Do It and what she will get if she does the right thing. Now back in the house, take her to the area and ask her to Do It. She will hopefully relate and try to do the right thing to make you happy!

Another easy way is to get a her a small cage that fits just enough. There will be not much room for her to pee or poop. By default, dogs don't defecate where they sleep. Put her in when you go to sleep at night. Don't worry about it barking or yelping, you have to bear with it and eventually it will stop once she understands there is no respite whatever she does. She'll just have to understand that she will only get to go out when you wake up in the morning.

So once you wake up, open cage, carry her to the desired area and tell her the command to pee/poop. As usual, praise excitedly when done. In a very short time, you train her bladder control, which is very useful for going to places, traveling, etc., as well as potty/command. smile.gif

2. Sit, stand, stay, etc.
The key is to establish a reward/praise and "NO" system. Don't overuse NO. They must be used only critically to give them the power over the dog.
Keep bags of treats in your pocket but don't let her see them.

Once she is keen to do the things that will make you happy and she gets a reward, then it's just a matter of repeating the process for these commands.
Remember, don't say NO after the event. You must try to time it IMMEDIATELY or DURING the ACT.

3. Heel
This is quite simple. Use a retractable leash. Keep it short so she is forced always on one side. Keep trying to get her to keep on the correct side. Get her to sit and stay. Then start walking and say "Heel!". Reward her if she does. If not, just tug the leash so she walks.

One thing, when she's not doing the right thing, and you say NO or/and tug the leash, don't make eye contact. Look away.

4. If you dog goes into her cage/kennel/hiding place/etc., NEVER forcefully pull her out. This place is the one place she feels safe so do not violate that need. If you must, coax her to come out slowly and gently. Otherwise leave her alone.

That's just some of the things i did. If there are specific things you want to ask my opinion on, i'll be glad to share, if i know. smile.gif

This post has been edited by h71y6: Feb 12 2009, 10:52 AM
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post Jan 9 2009, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Winnie_sia87 @ Jan 9 2009, 11:36 AM)
h71y6, Thanks for your information. My ms is already almost 9 months old but he doesnt really know the correct way to pee and poo. Huh!!!
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You're most welcome smile.gif

Well don't give up! Kimi took about 10 mths to be 100% compliance. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on January 9, 2009, 2:44 pm
QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 9 2009, 12:05 PM)
h71y6, big thanks to you for sharing.
Cheers
You're most welcome biggrin.gif

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post Jan 9 2009, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 9 2009, 03:10 PM)
hi h71y6,

Regarding the rewards concept. When should we just praise our dog (without giving it a treat) ?

and when should we reward it with a treat ?
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well try to give a praise with a treat (small piece). The key is to not let her know you have the treats or make them visible to her aka in your hands, etc. Keep them in your pocket or something, in a zip-lock bag.
So next time, she will always listen to you thinking you might have a treat for her! biggrin.gif

Also keep the praise consistent. Tone especially.

For the first few weeks, give praise with treat. After that you can vary the frequency or do as you like with the treats.

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post Jan 9 2009, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 9 2009, 03:48 PM)
will u guys' MS timid ?
not really dare to explore new things ? meeting new person ?
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Not really. She's just cautious but not afraid. People, she is not shy but not rude.

Socializing training is necessary throughout the life of the dog, not just the start.
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post Jan 9 2009, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 9 2009, 04:43 PM)
my MS seems like get confused with my commands.
last time he can understand and obey when i say "sit"
now he just looking at me doing nothing ...
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you have to keep training him for a while... it'll come smile.gif

Don't give up!


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QUOTE(Candy&Vincent @ Jan 9 2009, 05:16 PM)
Not plan yet....we try to train ourself first. I am sure train ourself must be better. Now we want to solve the major problem first. As I post before, Wilbur eat his shit.....sigh...this problem not yet settle....

I heard that some of the trainer very cruel....

Why? You got any good offer?
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Actually, if you know what you're doing, then it's good to train yourself. Read some books. They are very useful la.


Did you scold Wilbur before when he shit somewhere he's not supposed to?

What wilbur must be thinking:
1. Omg.. i have to shit. But i don't know where. Master never really showed me where i should shit.
2. Uh oh. I just shat. If master sees this i'll get scolding. I think i'll just clean it (aka eat it) before he scolds me again!

would that be true? If it is, i have some suggestions.

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post Jan 12 2009, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Candy&Vincent @ Jan 12 2009, 11:45 AM)
Very grateful on all brother and sister help here on my Wilbur case.

Previously, we thought scolding him will help him and now we forgot that he already nearly 6 months when we bought him There must be some reason behind why he eat his stool that we do not know at all.

Last week, we just visit Fluff Pet store and Ying/Yang (hehe, forgot what name already) taught us how to confined the area for him to shit and play. It quite help us and now Wilbur know where is the place to sleep (at our bed side), where to eat, where to play and where is the restricted area for him, but confused on where to Pee Poo.  doh.gif

Last few days, we have observed him and we feel tired like taking care of a baby. But, anyway, from Wilbur, we had learned a lot. Wilbur is quite smart and he makes me and my husband happy everyday. he know how to tackle us back if he dun want to bother him. When we saw Wilbur pity's look, we not dare to angry anymore.  notworthy.gif
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That's great news! Keep up the good work biggrin.gif
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post Jan 12 2009, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Candy&Vincent @ Jan 12 2009, 04:29 PM)
we are doing this right now, he got some improvement...i believe might take some time.....
Now he know how to jump from floor to my sofa and want us to sayang him....very manja
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teach him to ask for permission to go on couch. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 13 2009, 09:29 AM

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yeah better take to vet.

Anyways, did you guys realize dogs dream? it's so funny... Kimi would "yip" and moan during her sleep.
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post Jan 13 2009, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 13 2009, 10:37 AM)
My dog always wake up earlier than me.
hahaha
He is very alert! Once I step my feet on floor, he oredi sitting there wait for me

This is Tobey
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cute! but can hardly see clearly... Tobey is camera shy eh?

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post Jan 13 2009, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(clementcpteh @ Jan 13 2009, 04:21 PM)
are you using water in bowl for dog drinking? need train the using bottle water. Or using auto water dispenser, but this one Malaysia people unable order one. so forget it.
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hmmm... that's new to me. Thx
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post Jan 13 2009, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 13 2009, 05:35 PM)
Dunno why my MS stop drinking water nowadays ...
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If she only drinks little bit.. that should be ok.

Dogs don't need a lot of water.

However, if she stop for days, then it's a problem.

Also check if it is drinking from other sources i.e. drains, toilet bowls, flower pots.. etc

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post Jan 14 2009, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 14 2009, 03:55 PM)
Who else going to the gathering ?
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2bad me and Kimi can't join. We're in Penang.. sad.gif
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post Jan 15 2009, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(jessyca_loh @ Jan 15 2009, 08:53 AM)
Wah i haven't been in here for ages liao..see so many new MS owners.  biggrin.gif

Hi h71y6,
We do have dog gatherings in Penang, u can come join us, u can refer to http://homeapet.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6191 for our last dog gathering in Dec...we normally update dog gathering info at homeapet so u can refer there for more info.  wink.gif
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Hey thanks! I tried to access the website but there's an error. is the site down?

I would LOVE to join such gatherings.. great chance to "socialize" Kimi.
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post Jan 18 2009, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(clementcpteh @ Jan 15 2009, 08:28 PM)
hahhahah, sometime my dog also like that. sweet sleep!


Added on January 15, 2009, 10:38 pm
h71y6, If you interest want have Miniature Schnauzer Fans at Penang, I think have many. I saw they bring the MS came to our events. We have an events at Dec 2008. Pets magazine has the news too.
At Kl more then Penang, how I knew? I have a customer lists of it. more then 90 above.
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Is that the Agility Association or something like that? I saw their website. Need to pay to be a member and stuff right?

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post Jan 21 2009, 11:23 AM

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hey i'm actually from Ipoh but working in Penang now...
i go back once every 2 mths or less
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post Jan 21 2009, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(mannequion @ Jan 21 2009, 12:00 PM)
Do you guys have the experiences bringing your puppy/dog when out for meal? Normally, what u guys do to do dog?

let him sit on a chair? on floor?
If our dog pee and poo in the restaurant premises, how?
i do all the time.. every chance i get actually.. Kimi loves to ride the car with the windows open.. and she loves to accompany us rclxms.gif

I let him sit in the carry bag on the chair. I loop one handle over the back of the chair.
The carry bag, usually has a small chain attached to it and you can lock it onto her collar, which i do just in case she decides to chase a cat running by.

If your dog is not properly toilet-trained, then it's not a good idea.
If you have to, get a just-enough sized carry bag and keep her in there. Make sure he/she peeps/poos before you go out.
Usually, they will do their best not to poo/pee on on themselves so a just-enough bag makes sure she doesn't have spare room to let go.


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post Feb 5 2009, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Candy&Vincent @ Feb 4 2009, 01:49 PM)
Long time never post Wilbur naughty look liao....

Come and see Wilbur naughty job....

1st & 2nd Photo: I come to know Wee Wee Pad from Fluff Pet Store and bought some to train him, but, he go and spoil it and eat
                         it..... doh.gif .....Then when he pee poo, all wee wee pad come out.... doh.gif
                      : My husband scold him badly and we just simply tie the Wee Wee Pad around his neck and he is still very happy!
                      : From that time, Wilbur no longer touch the Wee Wee Pad
( I'm not sure is that they way we scold Wilbur, anyway we just want to stop him eating all those plastic, he had eat my those plastic flower and leaves, ai.....)

3rd & 4th Photo: Surrender on his job biting all those paper. Last few days, my diary just gone  vmad.gif

5th & 6th Photo: Then I cook in kitchen, he thaught i prepare his food, he is very excited jumping on his little small sofa....

7th Photo: Always with a very very messy look.    doh.gif  How to get him a wife????
Guys, here's an advice.
1. Get a small mineral bottle.
2. Fill it half or quarter up with coins or stones.
3. Take some time and see what your dog is doing.
4. If it's something you don't want him to do, shake it hard to make a loud noise and say your word, i.e. "NO!" or "Leave!".

it reinforces what you mean when you say "No" and that it's not negotiable.
Remember, only do this when you catch your dog doing something you don't want.
Don't do it after the event, you will just confuse it.

Try it!

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post Feb 12 2009, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(aragonlee @ Feb 12 2009, 10:20 AM)
biggrin.gif  haha hi wai chee !!

thank you. But Kenji now is super active and naughty. If i left him alone, he will keep yelling and make alot of noise. He will follow wherever we go, if we go into bathroom and shut the door. He will keep yell and make noise outside and try to bang the door. =.=

Anyone got tips for MS toilet training? he now don't have any specific spot to pee and poo yet. I plan to train him go back cage and do his business just like Bebe. But he seems tougher to train compare to Bebe.  sweat.gif
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I have some suggestions a some posts back. Look for it. smile.gif


On another note:

Have you guys been watching Great American Dog reality show on Starworld? It's a kewl show for dog lovers.
I actually got inspired more by the show and i taught my dog new tricks:
1. Up, Turn! - Kimi stands and spins according to how many loops i make with my hand.
2. Bang Bang!! - Kimi starts a slow death. She goes prone, turns slowly to her side, and slowly plays dead. she'll stay there until i say Up.
3. Leave it - i always used the same No command for leaving things, so i decided after seeing the show to use a different command.

Anyone has other trick ideas i can teach her? rclxms.gif

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post Feb 12 2009, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(Rayne @ Feb 12 2009, 11:00 AM)
I heard of the show too, but I don't have Astro to watch it. sad.gif It sure sounds cool though...I went to the website to read about the contestants and their furkids. SO CUTE!

Re: the Up, Turn! trick, do you teach Kimi to stand on two legs or she will stand like normal and turn? That trick sounds interesting smile.gif
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UP tells her to stand up.
TURN tells her to turn.

I can say TURN without UP so she will turn on 4 legs. smile.gif

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