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 BOT on 4g15, Need ideas and opinions

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the_catacombs
post Nov 3 2008, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Nov 3 2008, 05:47 AM)
Hi guys,
I m currently in the planning stage of a bolt on turbo for a 4g15 efi engine on a proton wira. Im still in the designing and idea stage,just want to bounce some ideas about and see if its feasible and what are the modifications that need to be done.Im hoping more of you senior members,especially those with experience in turbos to give me some constructive comments.
Here are the parts im able to source if i decide to go ahead:
-TD04 single fin
-GSR intercooler
-Turbo manifold
-Intercooler pipings
-Exhaust downpipes and other connections
Ive friends in workshops who are willing to get the piping work and other connections done for very minimal,what im concerned in is the fuel supply requirements.
What i dont know is the stock 4g15 engines fuel pumps maximum pressure and the injectors max cc.
Besides that,whats an appropriate AFC that can be used effectively for tuning.(Currently looking into SAFC)

Please bear in mind that this is still in the planning stage and im just trying to gather as much information as possible.I dont really want comments like change your engine or dont waste your time as ultimately this is my decision,not yours and Im intrested in a BOT,not swapping my engine.All others are welcome to discuss,help,give constructive comments and learn together.
Thanx guys.

Forgot to add, intially im looking for a modest 0.3bar of boost.Sounds pathetic,but i wanna learn to walk before i can run..

(Any one with a BOT 4G15 who is willing to spare some time to show me his setup will be treated to some Starbucks and hailed as god  biggrin.gif )
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vr interesting yet quite common project...
yeap, all the setup u mentioned feasible...
dont forget ur BOV... u need to stand out from the crowd and be noticed when u have a turbocharged engine... heck, even tiny L2s blowing their BOV a few times in a vr short stretch.... doh.gif laugh.gif

btw, ur car is svdo rite??... safc wouldnt be helpful here i guess.... couldnt think of alternative fuel computer now which can "piggyback" ur svdo, unless u willing to go for standalone ecus... hehe...

compression ratio... ahh... as we all know forced induction engines need low compression... perhaps u can source for thicker head gasket... of coz if its made of metal would be definitely better.....

as for ur fueling... i would recommend u to get uprated injectors such as mivec injectors.... good to upgrade throttle body as well if it is allowable (since urs is svdo, i dont have much info on upgrading it)... oopss.... blush.gif blush.gif

i think ur oem fuel pump is manageable... get a fuel pressure regulator as well....

as for boost level, try be conservative and run it at lower boost for sometime and see whats what... if everything goes well, slowly increase ur boost level moderately...

bot 4g15 mmc quite alot and i would say rather easy project.... but svdo, i'm not sure...
the_catacombs
post Nov 5 2008, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Nov 4 2008, 12:34 AM)
Haha sifus in the house..Not very keen on the BOV sound,might find a way to vent the pressure back to the intercooler..thats still in consideration,but not important,as long as i vent it someway.

Actually,why is it that SVDO is un-tuneable? piggybacks cant alter the signals or that the ecu will revert to standard tuning if the signals are not within its acceptable range?
Throttle body will remain stock for the moment.
Any idea about the rating on stock fuel pump and injectors? I have an idea how much i will be needing,i just dont know how much i have to begin with.
nod.gif Which is why everything needs to be right!
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if u not keen of BOV sound, can alwiz plumb back the output of ur BOV into ur downpipe.... this minimizes the sound....

yes... svdo is tuneable... involves changing the parameters/codes inside the microprocessor.... perhaps proton has the device.... but plugging in piggyback ecu aint gonna work for svdo.... smile.gif

QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Nov 4 2008, 01:28 AM)
Bigger injectors and fuel pump i really want to know what the original values are so i can size an appropriate one with allowance for future mods.How to find out the stock values of fuel pump and injector size?
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injector size...
4g15 SOHC >> 180 and 182 (latest) cc/min
4g91 DOHC 210cc/min
4g92 SOHC >> 180cc (Proton) 190cc (MMC)
4g92 DOHC Mivec >> 275cc
4g93 SOHC >> 210cc/min
4g93 DOHC >> 240cc/min
4g93T DOHC >> 390cc/min

IMO, injector size 275cc will be more than enough for u.... smile.gif

QUOTE(detomaso @ Nov 4 2008, 08:58 AM)
change whole ECU evo unit one la. sure can read boost . mapping for 2.0 turbo sure fuel enuff . AFPR lockup at 5bar. ekekkee. full tank of petrol wud last for 100km
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evo ecu unit would not suit a 1.5L turbocharged engine setup.... first and foremost, engine capacity already not same... whats more the amount of airflow and volume that passes through throttle body....

boosting 2.0bar for 4g15 gonna last u for A GEAR... haha... laugh.gif
the_catacombs
post Nov 5 2008, 07:41 PM

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so, for svdo tuning better refer to the folks inside proton on how they tune the ecu... haha...

TS, ever consider swapping to supercharger??... u can jz use rising rate fuel pressure regulator.... jz like what powerzone did on their campro sc and 4g15 sc....

u'll reach max torque much early in ur powerband.... vr vr useful launching off traffic lights and zoom around town... kekeke....
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post Nov 6 2008, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(Oly @ Nov 5 2008, 11:28 PM)
dont waste money and time to bot ur engine...listen to me...
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u driving evo engine sure feel useless to bot 4g15 ler.... sleep.gif
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post Nov 16 2008, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(VT-Ten @ Nov 10 2008, 12:10 AM)
may i know what is your stock CR?
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