piggybacks can tune siemens without the need to change codes inside the microprocessor.. if u know how to =) just stay away from emanage and it can be done =)

sorry sleepwalker i will have to disagree with u...please dont give advise based on myths.. just use www.google.com and search how many ppl are actually doing bots and using piggybacks to support it. with td04, the turbo will max out b4 the piggyback can lolZ!

agreed with ur first point partially, but still in effect.. the outcome is the same... its still called tuning since u TUNE the piggyback, and it manipulate figures to trick the ecu to gain the results you are after rather having it chipped or reflash or replacing it with a standalone are also options to consider... since piggyback tuning is tuned on the piggyback and not on the ori ecu, reverting a piggyback back to stock takes a matter of minutes. maybe my wording was a little incorrect , but what i am trying to say is that svdo can be tricked and certain piggybacks do work for it with the correct tuning techniques..

some piggybacks are flexible enough to allow you to add a turbo to an engine that was never designed to have one, It'll control extra injectors, boost, water injection, vtec/vvt functions, igntion, fuelling, it'll also take info from bolt on sensors, You can even select different maps for different circumstances, either manually or automatically. u actually use the piggyback to map out possitive boost pressure u dont need to map out on the ori ecu at all

using piggybacks to control small BOT mods like what ryan_hustler is doing is a very common thing worldwide, i dunno know why u say it cant.. its seems in malaysia alot of ppl have been misinformed to believe that piggybacks cant be installed on svdo/siemens, well all i can say is that its been done overseas for a long time, maybe certain ppl do this is to offer svdo users a more expensive equipment to milk more money out of it through the hardware and many many hours of tuning, i dunno.. or maybe they just dont know how to do it?? so what ever it is, its a possibility.. piggybacks can handle small bot upgrades, piggybacks can do alot more than most ppl think, my friend did a similar bot upgrade to ryans on a 2002 siemens gti, running piggyback only, its running fine =)

ryan_hustlerl, all i want to say is that if u put a bot on, piggybacks, ecu reflash, rechip and standalones are all options to think about but the choice u make is dependant on ur budget really...they all work each has its pros and cons!, if u need help with selecting the right ecu and good tuners that can easily tune a piggyback or any ecus in relation with ur mods, i can help direct u to the right people, however if ur wallet permits u, then obviously a standalone would be awesome =)

This post has been edited by FAibS: Nov 6 2008, 02:02 PM

ok true in a way but i wasnt talk about those BOT kits that comes with piggybacks from rpw either... piggybacks are quite advanced these days, i was just specifically referring on ryan_hustlers case , a piggyback to support his hardware which would not require any external kits or wiring looms or whatever which would not cost more than rm1600 for the unit brand new.. advanced piggybacks dont cost that much.. its the dyno costs that is expensive thats all, installation and tuning on the dyno in his case would cost him from 550-1000rm depending on the quality of tune he is after... its also a once off investment.. there are ppiggybacks out there that are completely universal to all cars even diesel vehicles.. so ineffect u only pay once for a unit which would go with u anywhere even when u change cars =) ive moved on from safc to piggybacks to standalones, i now stick to piggybacks cause its so flexible, ez to remove and revert back to standard and also comes with me when i sell the vehicle.. whether i own a kelisa, or proton or ferrari it still uses the same unit =) cost me less to install and tune as well.. most importantly.. no headaches =)

rm3000 without dyno is ridiculous XD that is a rip off.. maybe its just that shop... maybe i recommend u a piggyback as well as direct u to the right ppl to tune XD kekek jk

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Added on November 6, 2008, 1:55 pmthat would cost too much, ur better off with a piggyback with the right tuner that can tune it =)as i said its been done b4 and it can be done =)

This post has been edited by FAibS: Nov 6 2008, 02:07 PM

kekek as i said, i was kidding =)