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i want to change the original MIRA L2 piston to Kelisa piston. Just want know what is the side effect? Long term? performance? oil? pickup? CC? Top Speed? Insurance Policy(engine endorsed already)?

p/s : actually my engine breakdown because i go redah the banjir road doh.gif , i post another pic latter blush.gif


Piston L2 bend because the power of the flood water doh.gif

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660cc stroke up to 1000cc.... thats rather alot... plus, turbocharging it would be abit disasterous....

get L5 engine lor...
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post Nov 2 2008, 11:31 PM


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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 2 2008, 08:36 PM)
i want to change the original MIRA L2 piston to Kelisa piston. Just want know what is the side effect? Long term? performance? oil? pickup? CC? Top Speed? Insurance Policy(engine endorsed already)?
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dont use kelisa piston..put in toyota 2E one..brand new cost less than rm300...stronger and lower compression than kelisa

need to bore out from 68mm to 73mm..but the malay forum say no problem shocking.gif

759cc total..
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post Nov 3 2008, 01:56 AM


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theres someone at compactmotorsport did the same .. L2 + 1000cc piston + boost 1.6bar (dunno what turbo) + management ... he got 180hp+ dyno at Millenium Motorsports sunway ..
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lol wtf ? puspakom pass ?
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post Nov 3 2008, 03:47 AM


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lol dude .. the block still the L2 .. so pass lor .. puspakom wont ask what bore ur block is ... or what piston u use ..
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post Nov 3 2008, 03:52 AM


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Nov 2 2008, 09:33 PM)
660cc stroke up to 1000cc.... thats rather alot... plus, turbocharging it would be abit disasterous....

get L5 engine lor...
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bore-up doest means stroking up to 1000cc...

just around 700cc++

660 just 68mm while using 1.0 is 72mm

taruk 4g13 piston std size la ..
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oh bore up is it lol i thought change kelisa engine lmao , see wrong paiseh tongue.gif gonna sleep bye all
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post Nov 3 2008, 04:02 AM


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if stroking to 1000cc.. need use back kelisa crank, conrod.. but L2 block wont allow that.. hehehe...
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QUOTE(thelulz @ Nov 2 2008, 11:31 PM)
dont use kelisa piston..put in toyota 2E one..brand new cost less than rm300...stronger and lower compression than kelisa

need to bore out from 68mm to 73mm..but the malay forum say no problem  shocking.gif

759cc total..
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what forum? put it here
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post Nov 3 2008, 09:45 AM


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what forum? put it here
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post Nov 3 2008, 08:11 PM


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my engine already out for rebore, and waiting for assemble with kelisa piston, my pomen said the max it can boost is 1.8 bar with my standard condition, just passion la what will happen sweat.gif

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post Nov 3 2008, 08:24 PM


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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 3 2008, 08:11 PM)
my engine already out for rebore, and waiting for assemble with kelisa piston, my pomen said the max it can boost is 1.8 bar with my standard condition, just passion la what will happen  sweat.gif
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wat turbine? wat ecu?
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post Nov 4 2008, 01:36 AM


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QUOTE(thelulz @ Nov 3 2008, 08:24 PM)
wat turbine? wat ecu?
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standard L2 turbine & ecu smile.gif
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post Nov 4 2008, 02:08 AM


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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 4 2008, 01:36 AM)
standard L2 turbine & ecu  smile.gif
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standar turbine can boost 1.8? shocking.gif

how much u bought kelisa piston? new? smile.gif
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post Nov 4 2008, 02:15 AM


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are u freaking sure ? stock ECU ?? no piggyback what so ever ?
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post Nov 4 2008, 02:17 AM


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QUOTE(thelulz @ Nov 4 2008, 02:08 AM)
standar turbine can boost 1.8?  shocking.gif

how much u bought kelisa piston? new? smile.gif
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my mechanic arrange everything, not sure about the piston cost, but for this transformation i think around RM1200-RM1500
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post Nov 4 2008, 03:20 AM


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kancil turbo..
pish pish pish..
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Wooaaahh i m waiting ur project finish. Keen to know the result of little MONSTA!
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post Nov 4 2008, 07:56 AM


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neslopink.. sorry to say. our spec is about the same... i oso kelisa 72piston.. the turbine cant sustain that high boost. later i post my late rhb31 turbine pict.. boost 0.8bar daily driven ...everyday boost ekekek..

and u'll suffer the low end torque..

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post Nov 5 2008, 08:53 PM


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QUOTE(detomaso @ Nov 4 2008, 07:56 AM)
neslopink.. sorry to say. our spec is about the same... i oso kelisa 72piston.. the turbine cant sustain that high boost. later i post my late rhb31 turbine pict.. boost 0.8bar daily driven ...everyday boost  ekekek..

and u'll suffer the low end torque..
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huhuhu yaps you correct bro the pomen said to get to the high bar you need extra mod and change piston is a must, just wondering is the boost is very important to this issue;

mira l2 + ori piston + 0.8bar = mira l2 + kelisa piston + 0.8 bar <== is it the performance same

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mira l2 + ori l2 piston + 1.0bar = mira l2 + kelisa piston + 0.8 bar <== is it the performance same rclxub.gif
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Sorry... tumpang thread... if kancil 850 n/a put in kelisa piston what effect it would be? any one did this before? thanx...
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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 5 2008, 08:53 PM)
huhuhu yaps you correct bro the pomen said to get to the high bar you need extra mod and change piston is a must, just wondering is the boost is very important to this issue;

mira l2 + ori piston + 0.8bar = mira l2 + kelisa piston + 0.8 bar  <== is it the performance same

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mira l2 + ori l2 piston + 1.0bar = mira l2 + kelisa piston + 0.8 bar  <== is it the performance same  rclxub.gif
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the power varies.. if kelisa may have mid-top range. maybe due to piston design, slope in the middle. while L200 turbo has flat-surface.
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QUOTE(kopiOkaw @ Nov 5 2008, 09:19 PM)
Sorry... tumpang thread... if kancil 850 n/a put in kelisa piston what effect it would be? any one did this before? thanx...
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kelisa piston is "low compression" kind of piston..it has deep dome unlike normal NA piston..kelisa made up the compression in its head


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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 5 2008, 08:53 PM)
huhuhu yaps you correct bro the pomen said to get to the high bar you need extra mod and change piston is a must, just wondering is the boost is very important to this issue;

mira l2 + ori piston + 0.8bar = mira l2 + kelisa piston + 0.8 bar  <== is it the performance same

or

mira l2 + ori l2 piston + 1.0bar = mira l2 + kelisa piston + 0.8 bar  <== is it the performance same  rclxub.gif
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mira l2 + ori piston + 0.8bar = mira l2 + kelisa piston + 0.8 bar

kelisa piston sure have more power becos more cc brows.gif

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QUOTE(kopiOkaw @ Nov 5 2008, 09:19 PM)
Sorry... tumpang thread... if kancil 850 n/a put in kelisa piston what effect it would be? any one did this before? thanx...
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my friend put proton saga 1.3 piston in his kancil 850 and the performance is quite tremendous


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Nov 2 2008, 09:33 PM)
660cc stroke up to 1000cc.... thats rather alot... plus, turbocharging it would be abit disasterous....

get L5 engine lor...
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L5 high maintenance sweat.gif


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QUOTE(detomaso @ Nov 4 2008, 07:56 AM)
neslopink.. sorry to say. our spec is about the same... i oso kelisa 72piston.. the turbine cant sustain that high boost. later i post my late rhb31 turbine pict.. boost 0.8bar daily driven ...everyday boost  ekekek..

and u'll suffer the low end torque..
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can you upload the pic drool.gif

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hi all, since this is kancil mod section.. would like to get some opinion from you all...

i am putting in daihatsu L70's turbokit onto my 660cc stock, with 0.5 bar boost...

next stage will change L6 low compression piston + kelisa 1.5mm metal gasket + 12v head, convert to EFI...

how is it gonna be? any comment frm u all, any experienced?
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QUOTE(wwlai87 @ Nov 6 2008, 07:25 PM)
hi all, since this is kancil mod section.. would like to get some opinion from you all...

i am putting in daihatsu L70's turbokit onto my 660cc stock, with 0.5 bar boost...

next stage will change L6 low compression piston + kelisa 1.5mm metal gasket + 12v head, convert to EFI...

how is it gonna be? any comment frm u all, any experienced?
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660 or 660T ?
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i'm on stock 660 kancil carb... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 4 2008, 01:36 AM)
standard L2 turbine & ecu  smile.gif
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can boost 1.8 bar? laugh.gif
maybe for that dyno run the fler got lucky only.
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QUOTE(kev da man @ Nov 6 2008, 07:37 PM)
can boost 1.8 bar? laugh.gif
maybe for that dyno run the fler got lucky only.
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maybe the boost meter got problem biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 6 2008, 07:40 PM)
maybe the boost meter got problem  biggrin.gif
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where do u mod ur car? any workshop to recommend? speacially for kancil turbo?
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QUOTE(wwlai87 @ Nov 6 2008, 07:33 PM)

hi all, since this is kancil mod section.. would like to get some opinion from you all...

i am putting in daihatsu L70's turbokit onto my 660cc stock, with 0.5 bar boost...

next stage will change L6 low compression piston + kelisa 1.5mm metal gasket + 12v head, convert to EFI...

how is it gonna be? any comment frm u all, any experienced?

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i'm on stock 660 kancil carb... biggrin.gif
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What i heard the block is cannot tahan, but as long you set to low boost and the fuel is enough is ok rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 6 2008, 07:47 PM)
What i heard the block is cannot tahan, but as long you set to low boost and the fuel is enough is ok  rclxms.gif
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stock enjin can 0.5 bar wif that turbokit geh.. tongue.gif pasang and play play first...
but i heard carb hard to tune, and didn't tune properly, FC very high doh.gif
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QUOTE(wwlai87 @ Nov 6 2008, 07:25 PM)
hi all, since this is kancil mod section.. would like to get some opinion from you all...

i am putting in daihatsu L70's turbokit onto my 660cc stock, with 0.5 bar boost...

next stage will change L6 low compression piston + kelisa 1.5mm metal gasket + 12v head, convert to EFI...

how is it gonna be? any comment frm u all, any experienced?
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not to pour u cold water

u are just wasting yout time/money/effort..

seriouly just get a l2/l5 halfcut and it will be trouble free for very long
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QUOTE(thelulz @ Nov 6 2008, 07:55 PM)
not to pour u cold water

u are just wasting yout time/money/effort..

seriouly just get a l2/l5 halfcut and it will be trouble free for very long
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Piston L2 bend because the power of the flood water doh.gif
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Is this L2s ok for normal drive? As I found many people selling off. How's maintenance? Since just buying for sis. Or rather choose those stock auto kancil? Sorry, TS .. borrow your thread sweat.gif
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QUOTE(112006 @ Nov 6 2008, 08:26 PM)
Is this L2s ok for normal drive? As I found many people selling off. How's maintenance? Since just buying for sis. Or rather choose those stock auto kancil? Sorry, TS .. borrow your thread  sweat.gif
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OK tell you bedtime story biggrin.gif, Before this i used 850cc manual the fuel consumption ok2 la, for l2s turbo engine the fuel consumption is quite good as long as u don' t race brows.gif, the maintenance also same like standard kancil, but when you mod/upgrade your turbo engine haha that time you will remember whose the people hutang you drool.gif

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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 6 2008, 08:38 PM)
OK tell you bedtime story  biggrin.gif, Before this i used 850cc manual the fuel consumption ok2 la, for l2s turbo engine the fuel consumption is quite good as long as u don' t race  brows.gif, the maintenance also same like standard kancil, but when you mod/upgrade your turbo engine haha that time you will remember whose the people hutang you  drool.gif
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biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif L2s auto compared 850cc manual stock .. fc is even better? wow..that's nice.. Actually, planning to get the used car. And this is small little car is good for driving practise. And of course she won't dare to race as since she need some practise driving..

Since manual Kancil 02 costs more than a L2s 98 auto. why not getting a modded auto since it's temp car for her. wink.gif
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QUOTE(112006 @ Nov 6 2008, 09:32 PM)
biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif L2s auto compared 850cc manual stock .. fc is even better? wow..that's nice.. Actually, planning to get the used car. And this is small little car is good for driving practise. And of course she won't dare to race as since she need some practise driving..

Since manual Kancil 02 costs more than a L2s 98 auto.  why not getting a modded auto since it's temp car for her. wink.gif
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not only that, the performance also much better compared both 660cc & 850cc, actually this kei kar good for go to pasar ikan, pay bill, go bank, go play2 with the mira club, during working days, bla bla bla. The evo7 for weekend only rclxms.gif
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what head gasket u use? 72mm or 68mm one?
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QUOTE(thelulz @ Nov 6 2008, 10:58 PM)
what head gasket u use? 72mm or 68mm one?
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of coz la 72mm doh.gif
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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 6 2008, 08:38 PM)
OK tell you bedtime story  biggrin.gif, Before this i used 850cc manual the fuel consumption ok2 la, for l2s turbo engine the fuel consumption is quite good as long as u don' t race  brows.gif, the maintenance also same like standard kancil, but when you mod/upgrade your turbo engine haha that time you will remember whose the people hutang you  drool.gif
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Daily use okay? Fuel consumption wise how, if compared between L2s turbo manual/auto?

And what the ideal car price now? hmm.gif hmm.gif

Nowadays lots of people selling, is it no good? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(thelulz @ Nov 6 2008, 07:55 PM)
not to pour u cold water

u are just wasting yout time/money/effort..

seriouly just get a l2/l5 halfcut and it will be trouble free for very long
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i know, but i cannot change my engine... wink.gif it's not under my name, unless i don go endorse JPJ
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QUOTE(wwlai87 @ Nov 7 2008, 12:15 AM)
i know, but i cannot change my engine... wink.gif it's not under my name, unless i don go endorse JPJ
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use back ur stock engine number..got one shop in kuching can do one.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(thelulz @ Nov 7 2008, 01:07 AM)
use back ur stock engine number..got one shop in kuching can do one.. smile.gif
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kuching hor bro... i'm from PJ biggrin.gif lolz..
i know lar, use bek stock engine number.. ask them to remove away the number and shoot back the ori engine number tongue.gif
but it's ok la, since i alrdy bought that turbo kit.. just do watever i can, step by step.. result is still the same biggrin.gif
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lol i tot u said u from kuching..

good luck with ur project..the turbokit buy how much?

me here got one mechanic bolt on use stock carb
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lol, nop i'm not.. sweat.gif didn't mention i'm frm kuching ler..

thx notworthy.gif the turbokit i bought for less than RM900..

hehe, next Friday i'll bring my car to bolt-on to my stock 660 carb.. thumbup.gif testing dulu
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QUOTE(Zack Styler @ Nov 7 2008, 12:14 AM)
Daily use okay? Fuel consumption wise how, if compared between L2s turbo manual/auto?

And what the ideal car price now?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

Nowadays lots of people selling, is it no good?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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human nature, what can i say, after puas with someting then sale it, not only for the kei kar, most of the big project also, like , wira gsr, wira evo3, satria evo6, rx7 hybrid, bla bla bla, go search at mudah.com.my or motortrader.com.my i think kancil mira car is very hard to find compare the mithubishi evo. and it also depends hahaha

p/s: usual the turbo ppl getting old already, no need bawa laju2 laugh.gif
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human nature, what can i say, after puas with someting then sale it, not only for the kei kar, most of the big project also, like , wira gsr, wira evo3, satria evo6, rx7 hybrid, bla bla bla, go search at mudah.com.my or motortrader.com.my i think kancil mira car is very hard to find compare the mithubishi evo. and it also depends hahaha

p/s: usual the turbo ppl getting old already, no need bawa laju2  laugh.gif
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Hmm saw some selling for 10K and above, worth it? Anything else to look out for?
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QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 6 2008, 10:46 PM)
not only that, the performance also much better compared both 660cc & 850cc, actually this kei kar good for go to pasar ikan, pay bill, go bank, go play2 with the mira club, during working days, bla bla bla. The evo7 for weekend only  rclxms.gif
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Sounds like great budget buy car. go pasar ikan, pay bill, go bank.. ahhaa.. cause easy parking?
I just worried the maintenance.. since auto tranny and turbo.. whether it can stand the heat if in jammed.. you know traffic is very comment in KL.

Planning to get one below 10k .. well, trying to view car this few days. Anything need to take note. Since you guys are L2s owners.
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QUOTE(112006 @ Nov 7 2008, 07:14 PM)
Sounds like great budget buy car. go pasar ikan, pay bill, go bank.. ahhaa.. cause easy parking?
I just worried the maintenance.. since auto tranny and turbo.. whether it can stand the heat if in jammed.. you know traffic is very comment in KL.

Planning to get one below 10k .. well, trying to view car this few days. Anything need to take note. Since you guys are L2s owners.
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- the price of the 2nd hand conversion car is depend on your luck hahah
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nowadays fuel is cheaper,can boost a lot on the road
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nowadays fuel is cheaper,can boost a lot on the road
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i wanna try 1.3 boost ler.. duno how is the feel for kancil ler?

and L2 ori, change fuel pump can boost 1.3 no problem?
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i wanna try 1.3 boost ler.. duno how is the feel for kancil ler?

and L2 ori, change fuel pump can boost 1.3 no problem?
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dont over boost ur engine...stock l2s engine n turbine can hold up to 1.2 bar...over it and u got a smoking turbine...or a bloody piston crack...go for l5 la...smooth...fc is good...
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haha, no la asking only.. for me, i won't boost so high also if L2 standard... 1.0 max only..

but i'm looking forward for my bolt-on next week.. test 0.5 see how's the feel thumbup.gif
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haha, no la asking only.. for me, i won't boost so high also if L2 standard... 1.0 max only..

but i'm looking forward for my bolt-on next week.. test 0.5 see how's the feel thumbup.gif
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Good luck for your mod  thumbup.gif
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after done, will snap a pic of my engine inside thumbup.gif
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after done, will snap a pic of my engine inside thumbup.gif
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what is the top speed of your car?
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wat lar...? 660cc stock now... dry.gif top speed ever went was 138kmph only...
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wat lar...? 660cc stock now... dry.gif top speed ever went was 138kmph only...
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wow so fast
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that time was still stock 12" rim, on PLUS highway.. took me like more than 5 minutes to reach that speed from 120kmph doh.gif
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not enough HP to push your car from 120km/h to 138km/h faster mah

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instead of power upgrade, plz upgrade ur handling/suspension/brake system also

saw lots of kancil Mira totalled at workshop,owners said lost control. blink.gif
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that time was still stock 12" rim, on PLUS highway.. took me like more than 5 minutes to reach that speed from 120kmph doh.gif
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5 minute are you sure?
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u're planning to get a 2nd hand kancil turbo ar?
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If I have extra $$ next year... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

QUOTE(neslopink @ Nov 7 2008, 09:22 PM)
-maintenance OK as long don't do any upgrade to the engine. Most of l2s part same as kancil part
-if you convert you NA to l2 engine do NOT kacau you standard air con.  i experienced it already huhuhu spent 1K to change the whole air con system
- the price of the 2nd hand conversion car is depend on your luck hahah
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instead of power upgrade, plz upgrade ur handling/suspension/brake system also

saw lots of kancil Mira totalled at workshop,owners said lost control.  blink.gif
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Actually the chasis of local kancil and Japan Mira is it same?

Or local one softer chasis?
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Actually the chasis of local kancil and Japan Mira is it same?

Or local one softer chasis?
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i used to crack the rear chassis welding point of kancil by hard cornering

just a pair of hard absobrer and spring..tyre was stock

wat u think? doh.gif
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i used to crack the rear chassis welding point of kancil by hard cornering

just a pair of hard absobrer and spring..tyre was stock

wat u think?  doh.gif
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Maybe its softer after all... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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Means no need to change the air con? I heard Mira's power steering quite troublesome?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
Actually the chasis of local kancil and Japan Mira is it same?


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If standard aircon no problem, then use it. becoz one time you kacau then always come out new problem until you cannot tahan then chagee all to new part.

So far my power steering ok
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5 minute are you sure?
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i said more than 5 minutes ler... sweat.gif
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ic u using NA engine hehe, try turbo engine u just need 10 second to reach 140  thumbup.gif
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Hi Guys, I m back. Hmm.. i feel it's not so enough power on pick-up for an auto L2s. Sorry, noob on Mira. Is it all L2s comes with power steering? What's the default boost level for standard L2s? I noticed power comes after rev 4-5k ..


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i'm not sure is it all come wif power steering.. sweat.gif
default boost is 0.5 or 0.6 like that..
it's not how many rev ur turbo comes in.. is depends ur oil press.. one shot full throttle, even 2.5k rpm turbo will kick in
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i'm not sure is it all come wif power steering.. sweat.gif
default boost is 0.5 or 0.6 like that..
it's not how many rev ur turbo comes in.. is depends ur oil press.. one shot full throttle, even 2.5k rpm turbo will kick in
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QUOTE(112006 @ Nov 10 2008, 10:55 AM)
Hi Guys, I m back. Hmm.. i feel it's not so enough power on pick-up for an auto L2s. Sorry, noob on Mira. Is it all L2s comes with power steering? What's the default boost level for standard L2s? I noticed power comes after rev 4-5k ..
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change ur atf, autobox seems very sensitif with oil. use toyota t-iv black tin 4liter package regularly change atf filter too. use ori perodua unit. dont use cheap, tak tahan panas one local/taiwan stuff..

autobox seems a bit lag for its 1st gear, previously i got drive L2s auto for awhile.

stock boost level can be from 0.5 > 0.9 bar
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change ur atf, autobox seems very sensitif with oil. use toyota t-iv black tin 4liter package regularly change atf filter too. use ori perodua unit. dont use cheap, tak tahan panas one local/taiwan stuff..

autobox seems a bit lag for its 1st gear, previously i got drive L2s auto for awhile.

stock boost level can be from 0.5 > 0.9 bar
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How's the power if compared to manual L2s?


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How's the power if compared to manual L2s?
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Oh.. atf issue? Hmm... l2s auto is 4 speed auto right? 2nd gear and 3rd gear power kicks in abit. Bit hard on the pedal when accelerate.Well, I feel the engine is shaking alot when idle. Could it be engine timing issue?

Manual believe there is lot more drag and pick-up power as usual.
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Oh.. atf issue? Hmm... l2s auto is 4 speed auto right? 2nd gear and 3rd gear power kicks in abit. Bit hard on the pedal when accelerate.Well, I feel the engine is shaking alot when idle. Could it be engine timing issue?

Manual believe there is lot more drag and pick-up power as usual.
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change your engine mounting, it might help to reduce the vibration thumbup.gif
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I thought there's a certain rpm for the turbo boost to kick in?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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i'm not sure about it.. if u press ur oil smoothly, can even NOT kick in when reach 4k+ rpm wat... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(112006 @ Nov 10 2008, 04:46 PM)
Oh.. atf issue? Hmm... l2s auto is 4 speed auto right? 2nd gear and 3rd gear power kicks in abit. Bit hard on the pedal when accelerate.Well, I feel the engine is shaking alot when idle. Could it be engine timing issue?

Manual believe there is lot more drag and pick-up power as usual.
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wat's ur engine idle timing?

QUOTE(Zack Styler @ Nov 10 2008, 05:21 PM)
L2s auto gearbox reliable?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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erm, change to 850 manual gear box thumbup.gif
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i'm not sure about it.. if u press ur oil smoothly, can even NOT kick in when reach 4k+ rpm wat... tongue.gif
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yup agreed with that rclxms.gif

the l2s not like mivec or vtech, start kicking when reach certain RPM.

The l2s turbo open when the amount of oil reach in period of time, the hard you press the paddle the fastest the turbo kicking (original l2s setting)


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look at boost meter lo... once u start engine, the vacumn goes down one... then u press oil, it goes closer to reach 0.. after 0, turbo kicks in..

frm there u press for ur boost lor...

i'm still newbie, duno whether correct or not my explaination sweat.gif
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Hm... personal opinion is that the oversized pistons don't really help much for the original 660cc engine as it'll only turn the engine to more oversquare(bore bigger than stroke), which in turns makes it produce less torque and needs to rev up to higher engine speeds to feel powerful

Oversized pistons on the 850cc block, on the other hand, is a very good move as the 850cc has a very low stroke, hence, boring up will bring up more top end power to compliment the massive low end torque.
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Hm... personal opinion is that the oversized pistons don't really help much for the original 660cc engine as it'll only turn the engine to more oversquare(bore bigger than stroke), which in turns makes it produce less torque and needs to rev up to higher engine speeds to feel powerful

Oversized pistons on the 850cc block, on the other hand, is a very good move as the 850cc has a very low stroke, hence, boring up will bring up more top end power to compliment the massive low end torque.
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increase cc will increase the torque

turbo will spool faster

can reach 9k rpm with 60mm stroke..850 cant do that
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throw in 660cc's 68mm piston to 850 and rebore it.. then become 882cc loh rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(athlonxp @ Nov 11 2008, 12:18 AM)
increase cc will increase the torque

turbo will spool faster

can reach 9k rpm with 60mm stroke..850 cant do that
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Get your facts straight, increase cc wouldn't always increase torque, yes, most of the time it would, but it will depend on the design of the engine itself, in the case of the Mira EF series engine, the bore is bigger than the length of the stroke, so the bigger you increase the bore, the higher the powerband will become, which is the same case as F1 engines which have bores bigger than the length of the stroke thus their powerband is on the top most of the rev range.

That is why I mentioned the 850cc ED series would be a better choice to be rebored and fitted with bigger pistons as it's stroke is very long at a length of 81.0mm(compared to the original bore of 66.6mm, bigger bores from Daihatus EF 68.0mm, Mitsubishi 4G13 71.0mm, Daihatsu EJ, which is from kenari/kelisa 72.0mm and if not mistaken, Toyota 2E 73.0mm), all of these, it will never reach the stroke length of 81mm, even if u take a 81mm piston, I doubt there's enough space on the deck for such massive overbore.

This is where most people don't get it for hybrid engines, You don't even need to rev that hard to make more power anymore, same issues and arguments going on all along wif the B20B, the K24A, the 7A-"G"E, and various other hybrid stroker kits. Most just don't get it that they no longer need to rev as much to get to the peak of the power band(which is actually a good thing, as torque builds up from much lower revs and thus, better drivability).

Believe it or not, but any properly done up(as in installed properly, with the right parts, not like "properly done up" as in going all crazy with one-off bits and pieces) 850cc with only 68mm Daihatsu EF turbo pistons(basically built up like any Daihatsu EF except using the 850cc ED block wif the matching 68mm pistons) would beat the heck out of any 660cc block running even the biggest piston you can fit, on the street, or on the track. You never find those guys running 660 overbored blocks to have problems with the clutch burning out due to the massive torque but there's always people with 850cc simple hybrids having that problem.

Well... I guess I better STFU then, guess that's what happens to most of the know-hows in the forum, they always get tired of even trying to explain and juz STFU instead. Maybe you know better, as you probably built a lot of overbored Kancil turbos by yourself before.

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Get your facts straight, increase cc wouldn't always increase torque, yes, most of the time it would, but it will depend on the design of the engine itself, in the case of the Mira EF series engine, the bore is bigger than the length of the stroke, so the bigger you increase the bore, the higher the powerband will become, which is the same case as F1 engines which have bores bigger than the length of the stroke thus their powerband is on the top most of the rev range.

That is why I mentioned the 850cc ED series would be a better choice to be rebored and fitted with bigger pistons as it's stroke is very long at a length of 81.0mm(compared to the original bore of 66.6mm, bigger bores from Daihatus EF 68.0mm, Mitsubishi 4G13 71.0mm, Daihatsu EJ, which is from kenari/kelisa 72.0mm and if not mistaken, Toyota 2E 73.0mm), all of these, it will never reach the stroke length of 81mm, even if u take a 81mm piston, I doubt there's enough space on the deck for such massive overbore.

This is where most people don't get it for hybrid engines, You don't even need to rev that hard to make more power anymore, same issues and arguments going on all along wif the B20B, the K24A, the 7A-"G"E, and various other hybrid stroker kits. Most just don't get it that they no longer need to rev as much to get to the peak of the power band(which is actually a good thing, as torque builds up from much lower revs and thus, better drivability).

Believe it or not, but any properly done up(as in installed properly, with the right parts, not like "properly done up" as in going all crazy with one-off bits and pieces) 850cc with only 68mm Daihatsu EF turbo pistons(basically built up like any Daihatsu EF except using the 850cc ED block wif the matching 68mm pistons) would beat the heck out of any 660cc block running even the biggest piston you can fit, on the street, or on the track. You never find those guys running 660 overbored blocks to have problems with the clutch burning out due to the massive torque but there's always people with 850cc simple hybrids having that problem.

Well... I guess I better STFU then, guess that's what happens to most of the know-hows in the forum, they always get tired of even trying to explain and juz STFU instead. Maybe you know better, as you probably built a lot of overbored Kancil turbos by yourself before.

Good luck to the TS in his search for power then. thumbup.gif
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R U just come back from Japan ? sweat.gif , anyway good explanation thumbup.gif

My mechanic just test run the car with hybrid engine this evening.

Let test our theory to piratically

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see how the EF-block . 72mm EJ Piston in action. Running 5th Gear

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see how the EF-block . 72mm EJ Piston in action. Running 5th Gear

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nais..ur car?
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I just running the Hybrid Engine, the response quite good start kicking when you kick the paddle rclxms.gif , but the boost is set 0.5 bar for first running ( To keep the engine safe ), the mechanic said after running 2, 3 week can set 1.0 , then after few week can set 1.8 with RHF4 doh.gif

Side effect from the modification
- My radiator temperature go to sky high in (120Kmj ) 65% , 70% with aircond
- Oil FC not so good RM20 80KM
- My aircond compressor making squeaking sound
- RPM Engine not so stable

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Sorry, what does it mean Hybrid Engine?

Need more advise from all the sifu.
Is it L2s easier to maintain or L5? Performance wise? FC ?
How much it cost for a digital boost controller? Is it necessary to install one? Last question, is it advisable to upgrade bigger intercooler on front mount ,if bonnet is stock?


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l5...performance just nice...fc is way better than l2...digital boost controller will cost ya around rm 500-2k...
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QUOTE(detomaso @ Nov 12 2008, 07:44 PM)
see how the EF-block . 72mm EJ Piston in action. Running 5th Gear

Spec-
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EJ 72mm STD Size Piston, + Skimmed 1mm Top
Stock Turbine 0.8 Bar
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lag maybe due to uncontroller AFR.
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last week my engine head crack due to overheat, change to NA 12v head + 2 Speed radiator Fan, today set to 1.2 Boost
the overheat problem is still the same, the engine temperature increasing very fast when using aircond or when the turbo always on, do you facing this
problem detomaso? or any suggestion from expert here sweat.gif


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QUOTE(Oly @ Dec 2 2008, 12:25 PM)
l5...performance just nice...fc is way better than l2...digital boost controller will cost ya around rm 500-2k...
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but L5 spare part is kinda pricey too.

For the sake of L2 spare parts compatible with Perodua..

Is it better to go L2s Turbo halfcut or L500 Turbo 3 cylinder halfcut?

Is it possible to get L2s halfcut then use L5 dashboard?

which is cheaper to maintain?
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QUOTE(neslopink @ Dec 13 2008, 12:07 AM)
last week my engine head crack due to overheat, change to NA 12v head + 2 Speed radiator Fan, today set to 1.2 Boost
the overheat problem is still the same, the engine temperature increasing very fast when using aircond or when the turbo always on, do you facing this
problem detomaso? or any suggestion from expert here sweat.gif
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lastly i got the solution oledy sweat.gif , the problem comes from my SQV BOV, my BOV rosak and the hot air leak out from the BOV and blow the radiator with the hot air instead go to intercooler doh.gif

after change to new SQV the temprature around 2 or 3 dot

but when blast2 using aircond the temp going up to 55%, but still maintain, may be due to high boost
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i have no problem with tempreture la mr neslopink. on aircond also no prob...
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i have no problem with tempreture la mr neslopink. on aircond also no prob...
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is it the boost effect the temprature? ho much you boost?
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0.8.... see the vid.. i go pull 5th gear.. temp remain the same..

pull 5th gear means longer time to take compare pull 4th gear.
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QUOTE(Oly @ Dec 2 2008, 12:25 PM)
l5...performance just nice...fc is way better than l2...digital boost controller will cost ya around rm 500-2k...
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but pickup more to L2 , L5 for long distance meh
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but pickup more to L2 , L5 for long distance meh
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Dec 13 2008, 12:49 AM)
but L5 spare part is kinda pricey too.

For the sake of L2 spare parts compatible with Perodua..

Is it better to go L2s Turbo halfcut or L500 Turbo 3 cylinder halfcut?

Is it possible to get L2s halfcut then use L5 dashboard?

which is cheaper to maintain?
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u are so yesterday...the parts are now a phone call away...if u know the place...mainly my friend who using l5 got no problem...while others use l2s more problem...

yes u can use l5 dash on l2 engine...

L5 is cheaper...believe me...
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QUOTE(neslopink @ Dec 14 2008, 12:51 PM)
lastly i got the solution oledy  sweat.gif , the problem comes from my SQV BOV, my BOV rosak and the hot air leak out from the BOV and blow the radiator with the hot air instead go to intercooler  doh.gif

after change to new SQV the temprature around 2 or 3 dot

but when blast2 using aircond the temp going up to 55%, but still maintain, may be due to high boost
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change to l5 double layer radiator...good...seriously...rm200+-...
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L5 spareparts is more hard to find. As I was told by those mech. L2/L2s may use kancil parts but not L5. BOV really helps on reducing engine temp? As I haven't got the bonnet with scoops.
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QUOTE(112006 @ Jan 14 2009, 10:56 PM)
L5 spareparts is more hard to find. As I was told by those mech. L2/L2s may use kancil parts but not L5. BOV really helps on reducing engine temp? As I haven't got the bonnet with scoops.
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no la...now easier...but very hard to see a problem L5 engine than l2s engine...l2s seem got more prob...bov DID NOT help reducing engine temp...

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May I know how much is a L5 gasket price?And also Gearbox /flywheel is it? Sorry, newbie.. They told me Rm500+.
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QUOTE(GRexer @ Nov 11 2008, 06:52 PM)
Get your facts straight, increase cc wouldn't always increase torque, yes, most of the time it would, but it will depend on the design of the engine itself, in the case of the Mira EF series engine, the bore is bigger than the length of the stroke, so the bigger you increase the bore, the higher the powerband will become, which is the same case as F1 engines which have bores bigger than the length of the stroke thus their powerband is on the top most of the rev range.

That is why I mentioned the 850cc ED series would be a better choice to be rebored and fitted with bigger pistons as it's stroke is very long at a length of 81.0mm(compared to the original bore of 66.6mm, bigger bores from Daihatus EF 68.0mm, Mitsubishi 4G13 71.0mm, Daihatsu EJ, which is from kenari/kelisa 72.0mm and if not mistaken, Toyota 2E 73.0mm), all of these, it will never reach the stroke length of 81mm, even if u take a 81mm piston, I doubt there's enough space on the deck for such massive overbore.

This is where most people don't get it for hybrid engines, You don't even need to rev that hard to make more power anymore, same issues and arguments going on all along wif the B20B, the K24A, the 7A-"G"E, and various other hybrid stroker kits. Most just don't get it that they no longer need to rev as much to get to the peak of the power band(which is actually a good thing, as torque builds up from much lower revs and thus, better drivability).

Believe it or not, but any properly done up(as in installed properly, with the right parts, not like "properly done up" as in going all crazy with one-off bits and pieces) 850cc with only 68mm Daihatsu EF turbo pistons(basically built up like any Daihatsu EF except using the 850cc ED block wif the matching 68mm pistons) would beat the heck out of any 660cc block running even the biggest piston you can fit, on the street, or on the track. You never find those guys running 660 overbored blocks to have problems with the clutch burning out due to the massive torque but there's always people with 850cc simple hybrids having that problem.

Well... I guess I better STFU then, guess that's what happens to most of the know-hows in the forum, they always get tired of even trying to explain and juz STFU instead. Maybe you know better, as you probably built a lot of overbored Kancil turbos by yourself before.

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lol... 660 with oversize pistons cant beat 850T? lol... what a funny guys here... dont just say anything if u already done it bro... wub.gif ... looks like u have post with a lot of kinda infos of various cars here... sure u otai in mods .. maybe u know better...

sorry to say but u re wrong .. totally wrong!!!
nowadays 660 also can match up 1000T, but in a very hard way... whistling.gif
if u go to drag strip, pls count how many cars use 850?? i wonder you can keep your other hand in pocket to count it!!
lol...


hmmm, even thou this is old thread, but i want to put it right... u were wrong!! icon_rolleyes.gif


dont just easily put all things on engine... dont forget we have gearbox!
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folks, got a Q.

engine: L2
turbo: td049-9b
acc: fuel reg, front mounted i/c, wira 1.6 injectors, port polished head, metal gasket, fuel pump.

how much power will it produce?
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sorry , hello friend , i want to ask if l2 n/a 660block oversize to kelisa piston 1.0 block , tat block tahan o not ? if i raise until 6000 to 7000 rpm ... and i c my thermometer needle until middle there it's fine when i second gear raise until 5 to 6 rpm ...? i scare will overheat ...
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