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TSKeNNy
post Nov 1 2008, 12:45 PM, updated 17y ago

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I've a neighbour who hangs her dog's towels on the shared fence. Common sense would say that shared fence is a "sacred" area that you usually don't want to cross. Worse is, she hangs her dogs towels on it. It's smelly and causes the fence to rust more quickly. She rents the place. She lives alone, her husband is seldom around and comes back once/twice a week (Travelling).

A quick conversation proved she was irrational. She uttered words like "It's my right", "You guys are fussy", "I will call my landlord". I gave alternative places for her to hang e.g. her own clothes hanger, or on her own gate she claims "It's too far away", "It will get her clothes dirty", "She can hang where she wants because it's her right".

I'm a diplomat. Neighbours are important and we need to count on each other. So I tried to be patient with the character. She finally agreed that it was inappropriate to hang things which she doesn't like around her (e.g. dogs towels). But, that was only temporary. Things turned worse when she started hanging rubbish on the fence. It's clear that she's just irrational and a b**** and would do anything to protect her ego (that the fence is hers). It further proved my assumption when she claims to be "very educated" but speaks unculturally with broad generalizations (e.g. Malaysians are fussy (she spent 4 years in UK). There was some age discrimination and light racist remarks that she made but I won't go there. Her race does not matter, but she's a Malaysian.

Before resorting to a lose-lose situation (taking her garbage and throw it in front of her door), I would like to ask should I choose to battle this legally, what are my options?
E.g. calling MPSJ? Call her landlord? Any experience neighbours know how to sort this out?

Thanks,
Kenny
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post Nov 1 2008, 12:50 PM

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put a fan there and blow it towards her house biggrin.gif when she ask, you say its your right...
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post Nov 1 2008, 03:32 PM

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Ohh, then u played yr azzan music five times a daylah hanging the speakers on the fence also
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post Nov 1 2008, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(KeNNy @ Nov 1 2008, 12:45 PM)
Background:
I've a neighbour who hangs her dog's towels on the shared fence. Common sense would say that shared fence is a "sacred" area that you usually don't want to cross. Worse is, she hangs her dogs towels on it. It's smelly and causes the fence to rust more quickly. She rents the place. She lives alone, her husband is seldom around and comes back once/twice a week (Travelling).

A quick conversation proved she was irrational. She uttered words like "It's my right", "You guys are fussy", "I will call my landlord". I gave alternative places for her to hang e.g. her own clothes hanger, or on her own gate she claims "It's too far away", "It will get her clothes dirty", "She can hang where she wants because it's her right".

I'm a diplomat. Neighbours are important and we need to count on each other. So I tried to be patient with the character. She finally agreed that it was inappropriate to hang things which she doesn't like around her (e.g. dogs towels). But, that was only temporary. Things turned worse when she started hanging rubbish on the fence. It's clear that she's just irrational and a b**** and would do anything to protect her ego (that the fence is hers). It further proved my assumption when she claims to be "very educated" but speaks unculturally with broad generalizations (e.g. Malaysians are fussy (she spent 4 years in UK). There was some age discrimination and light racist remarks that she made but I won't go there. Her race does not matter, but she's a Malaysian.

Before resorting to a lose-lose situation (taking her garbage and throw it in front of her door), I would like to ask should I choose to battle this legally, what are my options?
E.g. calling MPSJ? Call her landlord? Any experience neighbours know how to sort this out?

Thanks,
Kenny
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You can adopt the legal action that is through lawyers but it will take time and money but since she has landlord GO COMPLAIN TO THE LANDLOR
D!! fast and easy
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post Nov 1 2008, 04:30 PM

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yes, luckily she is not the landlord ;-) go make noise to her landlord.
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post Nov 4 2008, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(BouncyBall @ Nov 1 2008, 12:50 PM)
put a fan there and blow it towards her house biggrin.gif when she ask, you say its your right...
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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Nov 1 2008, 03:32 PM)
Ohh, then u played yr azzan music five times a daylah hanging the speakers on the fence also
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haha. lovely guys, that made me LMAO.

wei, share la the race. Indian isit!!
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post Nov 4 2008, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(KeNNy @ Nov 1 2008, 12:45 PM)
Background:
I've a neighbour who hangs her dog's towels on the shared fence. Common sense would say that shared fence is a "sacred" area that you usually don't want to cross. Worse is, she hangs her dogs towels on it. It's smelly and causes the fence to rust more quickly. She rents the place. She lives alone, her husband is seldom around and comes back once/twice a week (Travelling).

A quick conversation proved she was irrational. She uttered words like "It's my right", "You guys are fussy", "I will call my landlord". I gave alternative places for her to hang e.g. her own clothes hanger, or on her own gate she claims "It's too far away", "It will get her clothes dirty", "She can hang where she wants because it's her right".

I'm a diplomat. Neighbours are important and we need to count on each other. So I tried to be patient with the character. She finally agreed that it was inappropriate to hang things which she doesn't like around her (e.g. dogs towels). But, that was only temporary. Things turned worse when she started hanging rubbish on the fence. It's clear that she's just irrational and a b**** and would do anything to protect her ego (that the fence is hers). It further proved my assumption when she claims to be "very educated" but speaks unculturally with broad generalizations (e.g. Malaysians are fussy (she spent 4 years in UK). There was some age discrimination and light racist remarks that she made but I won't go there. Her race does not matter, but she's a Malaysian.

Before resorting to a lose-lose situation (taking her garbage and throw it in front of her door), I would like to ask should I choose to battle this legally, what are my options?
E.g. calling MPSJ? Call her landlord? Any experience neighbours know how to sort this out?

Thanks,
Kenny
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she is so happy with your frustration because she have attention from you as her husband come back once/twice a week...
btw, how old is she?
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post Nov 4 2008, 11:08 AM

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i suppose the 1st step would be to discuss with the landlord. i am sure somewhere in the tenancy agreement it is stated that she will not cause a nuisance to others.

if the landlord is being unreasonable, your next action would be to sue the landlord. you should also take photos of the rubbish etc. just for proof.

if you just want to give her a scare, i would tell you to call the police. but something tells me not even the police can scare this woman.
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QUOTE(johnsonm @ Nov 4 2008, 12:08 PM)
if you just want to give her a scare, i would tell you to call the police. but something tells me not even the police can scare this woman.
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Well, the only way she can be so bold and annoying till this extent that she might have relative working as police. To put the salt to the wound, the accuser might being up being bitten back hard.
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post Nov 4 2008, 11:18 AM

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maybe do something on the rubbish that she hang on fence...
cut some holes on the bag everytime she hang it on fence and let the rubbish fall onto her floor and she will feel hassle to clean it from floor... cruel ways but may efficient... unless she also dont want to clean the floor, then nothing we can do with such neighbour that wont take care the house AT ALL... report to landlord that she "torturing" his/her house and landlord may giving she trouble...
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post Nov 4 2008, 11:33 AM

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Legally I don't think much action can be taken since the chain link fencing is sitting in the middle of both lots. Unless u dismantle the chain link and build a wall, legally i don't think any action can be taken
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post Nov 4 2008, 11:40 AM

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kenny,

first of all, is she mentally ill? I have seen neighbours fighting each other for parking, trees, garbage etc till police came & found out one of the neighbour is mentally ill.

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there was a time where my neibors threw cigerate butts and cotton buds into my compound, its terrace house by the way. i juz simply collected them and threw all of them back on top of their car....

not a legal method but it works, they got the message.... brows.gif
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post Nov 4 2008, 12:11 PM

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The simplest and best approach is to document the case (take pictures and keep a log of when the offences are committed) then go and report your complaint to the local Majilis Perbandaran.

There are rules and laws concerning keeping of pets and general cleanliness of the housing area including dumping rubbish in its proper receptacles - not hanging on your common fence.

She has clearly broken such laws and can be fined and warned tongue.gif

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post Nov 4 2008, 12:27 PM

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i dont think Majilis Perbandaran will help much on this issues since is no an serious cases...
the most they give advice to her only and no legal actions will perform...
unless the house located at gated and guarded community... i believe someone did something wrong to the community and may able block their access tag to hassle them when going back their home... tongue.gif
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Just make sure you're persistent and follow-up with your complaint.

My family put in a request to install speed bumps and MPSJ did it, it's their duty to action on our requests and complaints. Otherwise what’s the point we pay assessment.

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Does she own a car? Go buy some big nails.
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post Nov 4 2008, 01:11 PM

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back in my old house had this issue as well ...

what was done was we fence it up ... buy those huge zinc sheet and fence up ur side ...

kena once when the water from our side seeped to her side ... u know what she did, she scooped it and pour back our side ...

there was also once while washing i was out there ... she scold like some mad person, i took the water hose and hose kau the fella ...


Added on November 4, 2008, 1:12 pm
QUOTE(aaronpang @ Nov 4 2008, 12:11 PM)
The simplest and best approach is to document the case (take pictures and keep a log of when the offences are committed) then go and report your complaint to the local Majilis Perbandaran.

There are rules and laws concerning keeping of pets and general cleanliness of the housing area including dumping rubbish in its proper receptacles - not hanging on your common fence.

She has clearly broken such laws and can be fined and warned  tongue.gif
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would say its a form of a domestic complain which they will not entertain ... and hanging rubbish within her own compund its something she can do i would say ...


Added on November 4, 2008, 1:13 pm
QUOTE(sordanny @ Nov 4 2008, 11:33 AM)
Legally I don't think much action can be taken since the chain link fencing is sitting in the middle of both lots. Unless u dismantle the chain link and build a wall, legally i don't think any action can be taken
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would agree on this ... built it like 8 feet high ... so she canot see and u cannot see her ...

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post Nov 4 2008, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Nov 4 2008, 01:11 PM)

Added on November 4, 2008, 1:12 pm
would say its a form of a domestic complain which they will not entertain ... and hanging rubbish within her own compund its something she can do i would say ...
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Check the by-laws for the area where one resides there are laws and regulations pertaining to the disposal of rubbish.

Quote MPSJ by-laws (since I live Puchong):-

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Pembuangan sampah rumah
1. Semua sampah-sarap, isi rumah hendaklah diisi dalam beg-beg plastik dan diikat kuat-kuat sebelum dimasukkan ke dalam tong sampah.
2. Apa-apa kaca pecah, tin dan lain-lain benda tajam tepinya hendaklah dibungkus elok-elok dan dimasukkan ke dalam bekas guna habis yang berasingan dan diletakkan dekat tong sampah untuk dipungut.
3. Tong sampah rumah hendaklah diletakkan di tepi berandah, di sebelah luar pagar, di lorong belakang rumah atau di mana-mana tempat lain yang ditetapkan oleh Majlis untuk memudahkan pengosongan tong sampah.
4. Semua tong-tong sampah hendaklah diletakkan di dalam kaki tong sampah atau seumpamanya yang diluluskan oleh Majlis.


All thrash must be in the rubbish bin or designated area not hung up on the common fence. shakehead.gif

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Depending on where TS lives there are also laws concerning dog rearing:-

The strictest is Shah Alam MPSA Chili Sauce

If the neighbour breaks any of the by-laws please free to complain. Hopefully it will force the neighbour to get rid of her dog, problem solved.

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post Nov 4 2008, 07:18 PM

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Hi i'm TS's brother and we would really actually appreciate LEGAL form of actions that can be taken and not nonsense like "taking big nails and do something to her car" as it is unethical and against the law to do so. In terms of hanging things on the fence is there anything that can be done aside fencing it up ? (last resort)

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