This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:33 PM

go to youtube and search for ret pallies.. u will see many videos going on to show how much buff they received. apparently with wotlk talents, even at lvl 70 with decent amount of pvp gear on, you can solo onyxia. the dps they dish out is also pretty insane, and they are known as the 'anti-melee' class. apparently only class that pallies are having trouble against are mages, which is not surprising because of kiting and able to spellsteal off the hand of freedom and blinking out thru stuns as well as iceblocking/trinket out of repentance. and when the pally is low and has to heal, 1 counterspell and its over.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:33 PM

Maybe you haven't meet a pally-killer mage..
A mage can do many things in 4/8 sec silence..
Divine shield yes, they have Iceblock regardless their talent..
Stun them? Blink break stun and from afar kite u again..
Snare you, poops BoF, spellsteal + slow / frost kite ftw..
Arcane mage poops Pyro + Pyro = shit i poops divine shield earlier.. bye bye..

xD

Reading about the ret changes really annoys me on my Shaman. Whatever happened to the Paladin being the "defensive-hybrid" and the Shaman being the offensive-hybrid?

It seems that the Paladin retained their defenses (unbuffed) and got their attack buffed, but Shamans seem to get worse every patch.

We Shamans summon the rain by reading the patch notes. Salty, salty rain...

weee.... paladin thread!! ^^

and yea... the sien part of pally is when they OOM

Why would you take Improved Retribution Aura but not Crusade? Crusade is a flat DPS increase since you're so deep into Ret.

Also, why would you take a weaksauce 1pt BoK instead of Guardian's Favor?

Tonight is the patch day of destiny my dear palliesssssss

yahooooooooooooo

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:34 PM

Let your holy pally b**** take 4/4 imp. kings.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:34 PM

I will be going this for pvp/honor/dailies farming

Ret Roll


New Eye For An Eye is nice against melee now.

This post has been edited by Bogardan: Oct 14 2008, 10:20 PM

it's a lot tougher to do the above in the game than on paper for a mage....

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:34 PM

I wanted to go BGs and see how powerful the new ret pallies are, but server was down.

Friends from other realms said they are not getting 2-shotted by retribution like many forums claimed. It was actually 4-shotted

Really powerful. Can kill in 1 Hoj.. Instant cast Hammer-of-miss at 35% is the main finisher. Not to mention Judgements and 36% unbuffed crit. Being human i get to equip an extra AP trinket too..

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 06:34 PM

Moogle, slow down a bit! LOL! Blizz said the dual spec option will happen in WoTLK but no ETA as of yet. It may even be in the middle of WoTLK and not at launch.

Think you need to spend a bit more time reading up a bit more about Ret Paladin Theorycrafting a bit more. I'm not well-versed in it but what you've posted are concerns already expressed in a lot of WoW Forums.

LYN is a "dangerous place" with a lot of jaded players who somehow relished the fact they can "spoil" the fun of others with sarcastic comments. So sometimes any discussion may need to be managed without biasedness and whether it benefits your class will come under fire with other classes.

At the same time, if you managed to catched the eye of seasoned raiders, they do give rock solid advice. But you'll need the basic understanding of theorycrafting as a Ret Pally though. Mind you, they seldom take in a Ret Pally anyways, even with the changes being made. It's a big stigma to get over for them.

I am afraid that you hit the mark on this one.

Even after patch, the less knowledgable will still assume pallies make poor dps, and they would just get the usual mage/warlock/hunter/rogue/druid etc for dps.

But even those who know better may also be less inclined because of the bad stigma and status quo put on retribution pallies over time .....

I DEARLY am going to change this perception ingame on my kalecgos server


The first people we will teach will be the horde using the tip of my nether stick . New pally catch phase, "shock da world..... of warcraft"



So lets see, for the new patch pally, the important stats based on important in an ascending order.

#1 Attack power

#2 Critical strike ( agility falls under this group too )

#3 stamina

#4 int


The only thing i am unsure of is Hit rating where it fits in the priority stats.

As for avoidance, hit rating, defense rating, armour ??

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Added on October 15, 2008, 2:59 pmJust a follow up to explain why i rated these stats as such.

There is a paladin talent that makes our spell power increase by the percentage of our attack power + strenght. Not only does it boost our white damage, but it also boosts our spell power damage based on the mentioned talent.

Not only that, we have another talent which heals the group based on how much damage we deal. Just imagine critting a mob. The crit will mean more heal for the group as your dealing more damage !

And stamina is obviously needed

an Int pool of 5000 seems ok to me



The worse weakness a retribution paly has, is we use mana like water and regen it back slowly.

Sure healadins drink water like fish, but keep in mind they have the most mana regen and mana efficiency compared to protection and retribution.

Sometimes i wish paladins had a mana regen like mages do wouldn't that be kewl.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 15 2008, 02:59 PM