Call of Duty 4 or 5?, Will u move on to new 1 or stay?
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 Oct 8 2008, 05:45 AM, updated 18y ago
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For CoD4 players, which 1 will u choose? To be honest I think CoD4 still hot, and we should not yet leave this game quite early. IMO, I like something that Modern, like CS series, I don't really like WWII style, too old school for me. But flame thrower in CoD5 really makes me wanna try it
 . For your information, CoD4 Publisher is Activision, the winner of whatever awards, and the developer is Infinity Wards for PC. But for CoD5, the publisher is the same, but the developer is different, it's Treyanch. C'mon, Battlefield series players sure faced this problem before, how is it everyone? give some reason why do u choose your answer. More information about it: www.callofduty.com en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty_5 This post has been edited by [xEF]syNc: Oct 8 2008, 05:49 AM |
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Oct 8 2008, 06:05 AM
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I never really ditch out certain games just because I favor certain games. Despite having CoD4, I still have CSS there. In my opinion, I will still be playing CoD4 despite having the fifth one. After all, it's depends on the gameplay itself.
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Oct 8 2008, 06:31 AM
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COD5 FTW!!!
graphic look more cool than COD4  |
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Oct 8 2008, 07:41 AM
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CoD 4 gogooggoogogoogogo
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Oct 8 2008, 08:24 AM
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it is like to compare counterstrike with day of defeat, If you ask me, COD 4 will pwned COD5 in term of multiplayer. But will i buy COD5? definitely i buy it.LOL.
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Oct 8 2008, 08:55 AM
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COD5 can do 4players co-op mission
 more perks  but the old guns  |
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Oct 8 2008, 10:24 AM
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Will try COD5. COD is great game
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Oct 8 2008, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE([xEF?) syNc,Oct 8 2008, 05:45 AM] will go back to battlefield. bored of cod already. same old same oldFor CoD4 players, which 1 will u choose? To be honest I think CoD4 still hot, and we should not yet leave this game quite early. IMO, I like something that Modern, like CS series, I don't really like WWII style, too old school for me. But flame thrower in CoD5 really makes me wanna try it . For your information, CoD4 Publisher is Activision, the winner of whatever awards, and the developer is Infinity Wards for PC. But for CoD5, the publisher is the same, but the developer is different, it's Treyanch. C'mon, Battlefield series players sure faced this problem before, how is it everyone? give some reason why do u choose your answer. More information about it: www.callofduty.com en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty_5  |
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Oct 8 2008, 11:16 AM
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will try cod5, but i dun think i will leave cod4...
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Oct 8 2008, 11:17 AM
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No matter how good CoD5 will be, I'm sure that I'll be playing CoD4 agin some time in the future, for being one of the all time great game in my book.
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Oct 8 2008, 11:20 AM
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COD4 alrdy stop playing..since unlock everything...i dont like WW2 story....so COD5 out....save money for other game..
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Oct 8 2008, 01:54 PM
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cod5 could be nice also
especially new perks new weps also who said old weapons not nice |
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Oct 8 2008, 01:55 PM
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Adi.... plz ad more options in to your poll....
...I'll play both    This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 8 2008, 01:56 PM |
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Oct 8 2008, 02:23 PM
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Ok, thx for the votes and opinions. For u guys info again. CoD4 and 5 graphic are almost the same, because CoD2, CoD4, and CoD5 are using the same engine, so doesn't give any major different like Far Cry and Crysis does.
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Oct 8 2008, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE([xEF�) syNc,Oct 8 2008, 02:23 PM] CoD2 and 4 using different engine larr....Ok, thx for the votes and opinions. For u guys info again. CoD4 and 5 graphic are almost the same, because CoD2, CoD4, and CoD5 are using the same engine, so doesn't give any major different like Far Cry and Crysis does. |
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Oct 8 2008, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(Luftwacko @ Oct 8 2008, 02:24 PM) CoD2 and 4 using different engine larr.... I read it somewhere, lazy to search again, they said they're using the same engine, just for CoD4 they give some improvement in the engine, so it looks quite different but still using the same engine. U try and research, don't know I wrong or not  |
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Oct 8 2008, 03:12 PM
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from Urban Marine, http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/09/26/ca...-system-specs/1
QUOTE Infinity Ward designed a whole new engine for COD4. It's Treyarchs turn to make the next COD and they liked the COD4 engine so they're using it for COD5. One of the reasons COD3 blew was because Treyarch wanted their own engine. COD- IW: Quake3 engine COD2- IW: Quake3 engine proprietary modifications COD3- Treyarch: Treyarch NGL Engine COD4- IW: proprietary (nickname:Warfare Engine) COD5- Treyarch: COD4 engine COD6- IW: ??? IW- Infinity Ward This post has been edited by Mr_Hulk: Oct 8 2008, 03:21 PM |
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Oct 8 2008, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE([xEF�) syNc,Oct 8 2008, 02:30 PM] Its a heavily updated version of the cod 2 engine...in fact its so different its hardly the same engine...I read it somewhere, lazy to search again, they said they're using the same engine, just for CoD4 they give some improvement in the engine, so it looks quite different but still using the same engine. U try and research, don't know I wrong or not Its kinda like Generals sage engine...you dont say C&C3 uses the same sage engine that powered generals. It is updated version of the sage engine. |
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Oct 8 2008, 05:03 PM
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I just bought the game, now got COD5. zzzzz..
btw, when is the cod5 release and does all the tournament upgrade to COD5 ? |
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Oct 8 2008, 05:40 PM
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i still thiink cod4 will be more superior in major cc and tournaments
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Oct 8 2008, 06:05 PM
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BOTH lah...
Update to 1Tb Hard disk then no problem loh... |
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Oct 9 2008, 06:19 AM
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Well, I think it depends, if CoD5 multi player game plays are good, sure a lot players move to CoD5, and tournament would held CoD5 competition.
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Oct 9 2008, 07:06 AM
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QUOTE([xEF�) syNc,Oct 9 2008, 06:19 AM] i just bought cod4 this week, i hope i can play for at least 2years.Well, I think it depends, if CoD5 multi player game plays are good, sure a lot players move to CoD5, and tournament would held CoD5 competition. ( nanti main 2 bulan, semua org main kat cod5 then waste my $  ) |
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Oct 9 2008, 07:28 AM
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QUOTE(Suk @ Oct 9 2008, 07:06 AM) i just bought cod4 this week, i hope i can play for at least 2years. dun worry.. theres still ppl playing counter strike today.. apatah lagi cod4( nanti main 2 bulan, semua org main kat cod5 then waste my $ ) |
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Oct 10 2008, 02:21 AM
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*BUMP*
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Oct 10 2008, 04:56 AM
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QUOTE([xEF�) syNc,Oct 10 2008, 02:21 AM] O.o*BUMP* Bump my thread oso...   |
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Oct 10 2008, 08:58 AM
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dunno which 1 is better.... |
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Oct 10 2008, 11:46 AM
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Wah! This time domi got 5 flags instead of 3...
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Oct 10 2008, 04:53 PM
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i will go to Cod5 but i'll play cod4 too. And i'll go to COD6 when it releases
at end of december 2009. I've played all COD series SP and MP. |
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Oct 10 2008, 05:08 PM
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i like WW2 history~~
i played all COD except 3 which is on PS.. and 5 not yet out LOLZ~ MOH i played all but i find the airborne is a total PHAIL! COH finished it last week lulz~~ This post has been edited by AeonStrife: Oct 10 2008, 05:09 PM |
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Oct 10 2008, 07:05 PM
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Well, different era means different feeling towards the game. One modern one during the WW. Looks nice. Artillery! Instead of Airstrike, awesome.
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Oct 10 2008, 08:30 PM
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COD 5 still quite nice , I heard a lot of perks will using it and what is that mean the DOG??
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Oct 11 2008, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Oct 8 2008, 07:31 AM) COD5 FTW!!! Those gameplay video showed was using console, i think graphic in pc should be better.graphic look more cool than COD4 |
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Oct 12 2008, 12:39 PM
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eh is it true can climb tree a?
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Oct 12 2008, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(someone_cs @ Oct 12 2008, 12:39 PM) eh is it true can climb tree a? Rumour has it that there's a perk called "monkey". |
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Oct 12 2008, 12:56 PM
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if maps like greek sniper will owns :S
people will start finding claymore or the dogs or trees for sniper :S |
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Oct 12 2008, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(someone_cs @ Oct 12 2008, 12:56 PM) if maps like greek sniper will owns :S That's why got flamethorower...to BBQ those snipers on trees.people will start finding claymore or the dogs or trees for sniper :S |
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Oct 12 2008, 03:27 PM
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CoH5 seems nice.
Nice sig,btw,Luffwacko. I love that quote.ROFL. |
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Oct 12 2008, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(abulabu @ Oct 10 2008, 08:58 AM) dunno which 1 is better.... Anyhowsss, I'll stick to COD4 if majority of ppl sticks to COD4. If more people decided to dump&ditch COD4 and move on to COD5, i'll probably do the same thing.  |
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Oct 12 2008, 09:55 PM
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I'm gonna play both. Flamethrower and monkeys ftw!
I think CoD4 will still be popular for a few years just like CS 1.5 Its the gameplay not the graphics. btw. CoD5 will be using the same CoD4 engine but being pushed to the limit. or smth. Well. no matter. Gonna play both! =D |
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Oct 12 2008, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(t4l0n @ Oct 12 2008, 09:55 PM) I'm gonna play both. Flamethrower and monkeys ftw! Same lor... play SP and chill-chill for CoD5 MP, and still get serious for CoD4 I think CoD4 will still be popular for a few years just like CS 1.5 Its the gameplay not the graphics. btw. CoD5 will be using the same CoD4 engine but being pushed to the limit. or smth. Well. no matter. Gonna play both! =D |
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Oct 12 2008, 11:17 PM
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i'll try cod5 for the story~~ hen c how it goes... lol~
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Oct 12 2008, 11:35 PM
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... there s no choice to play both ?
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Oct 12 2008, 11:39 PM
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still dont know yet LOl <--- the choice
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Oct 13 2008, 04:51 PM
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Beh, I can't edit it. T.T
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Oct 13 2008, 05:30 PM
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lolz ur problem..
but u can edit ur topic title LOLX |
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Oct 13 2008, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(AeonStrife @ Oct 13 2008, 05:30 PM) lolz ur problem.. Yea, but wraith and luft ask for another choice mar...but u can edit ur topic title LOLX |
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Oct 14 2008, 08:46 PM
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then make another topic :S
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Oct 14 2008, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE(someone_cs @ Oct 14 2008, 08:46 PM) then make another topic :S  |
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Oct 15 2008, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(someone_cs @ Oct 14 2008, 08:46 PM) then make another topic :S later mod pukul me |
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Oct 15 2008, 12:43 AM
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wont pukul u. just del ur topic only ^^
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Oct 15 2008, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE(AeonStrife @ Oct 15 2008, 12:43 AM) wont pukul u. just del ur topic only ^^ LOL. U so active in LYN gaming section huh?  |
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Oct 16 2008, 09:51 PM
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any1 get invitation for beta testing???!!! feel free for bedtime story yea!
...wah monkey perk ????~campers~  This post has been edited by abulabu: Oct 16 2008, 09:55 PM |
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Oct 16 2008, 11:40 PM
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call of duty 5's multiplayer is a 4 man coop >.<
I would play for the coop and stick to competitive cod4 This post has been edited by crashtec: Oct 17 2008, 03:53 AM |
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Oct 19 2008, 04:40 AM
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i will definitely stay in cod4 for competitive play.modern n current warfare is my personal preference.
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Oct 19 2008, 11:00 AM
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COD4 FTW!!!!! wei....we take this cod so far like this and dont turn it la
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Oct 19 2008, 01:41 PM
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get narakka and bvpn close on november 11 !
wanna know why? Cod5 releases at Nov 11.!! OPEN server at Cod5!!!and Close Cod4! |
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Oct 19 2008, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(Willster @ Oct 19 2008, 01:41 PM) get narakka and bvpn close on november 11 ! U're too optimistic lar, u think many people like to play WWII concept meh? Like pr8sh said, current warfare is my preference. wanna know why? Cod5 releases at Nov 11.!! OPEN server at Cod5!!!and Close Cod4! If really many people move on to CoD5, I'll quit playing CoD competitively, wait for CoD6 or other game that has similar game play. |
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Oct 19 2008, 06:37 PM
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Co-op ftw wei! Althought max is 4 co-op. Imagine 8 player co-op. Split to 2 squads. =D.
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Oct 19 2008, 06:38 PM
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Just asking,is CoD5 worth getting?
I would like to have opinion from those who are playing CoD4. |
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Oct 19 2008, 06:44 PM
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If CoD5 from the looks of it is about the same as CoD4 except with extra features such as vehicles and WWII concept,then I would think yes,it would be definitely worth it to get it. Just my 2 cents opinion. Or you can go watch the trailers and decide =D.
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Oct 19 2008, 06:46 PM
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I did watch the trailers.The co-op campaign is freaking awesome.
Is there any way to use one disc to play co-op on 2 coms? I mean original disc. Im considering either CoD5 or RA3.Both of them offer co-op campaign and probably good multiplayer. |
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Oct 19 2008, 06:48 PM
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RA3 is out now if I'm mistaken. I want to get it as well. But I'll see how is it first at my friend's place. One disc to play co-op on 2 coms? Not sure, possibly a way to do it but currently since it's not out yet we don't know for sure how to do it yet.
EDIT: Owh ok,couldn't remember the release date. My cousin was planning to get it at SG but don't know whether the price here should be cheaper or not. This post has been edited by Mr.Pikachu: Oct 19 2008, 06:53 PM |
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Oct 19 2008, 06:50 PM
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RA3 is releasing on 28th of October.
RA3's co-op campaign looks awesome too,together with the life action cutscenes. CoD5 seems good too and i love CoD4. |
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Oct 19 2008, 07:44 PM
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So pika gonna move to CoD5? Sad lar...
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Oct 19 2008, 08:11 PM
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Wut.....I didn't say that = =....
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Oct 19 2008, 10:37 PM
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So,you guys gonna stay back in CoD4?
Not moving to CoD5? |
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Oct 19 2008, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.Pikachu @ Oct 19 2008, 08:11 PM) Wut.....I didn't say that = =.... U said it's worth it go to CoD5 QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 19 2008, 10:37 PM) So,you guys gonna stay back in CoD4? I won't. I might play it but won't competitively, like i said in my previous post, i don't like WWII style even though i see their gameplay is good. Not moving to CoD5? This is personal preference, please it doesn't affect your decision. |
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Oct 19 2008, 10:49 PM
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I said it was worth to get it la at the top of this page. I didn't say worth to go to CoD5. Read properly ler....if I say RA3 is worth to get it doesn't I will go to wert but it'll be great to play it.
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Oct 20 2008, 03:22 PM
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lets say... CoD4 is still considered new... CoD5 is gona be NEW NEW.... u get wut i mean?
If theres a time to change den why not? Im guessing CoD5 veheicle usage will still be disabled in COMPETITIVE GAMING. unless it is like battlefield? And u wont know the real thing until it comes out... This post has been edited by FFF.10: Oct 20 2008, 03:28 PM |
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Oct 20 2008, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.Pikachu @ Oct 19 2008, 10:49 PM) I said it was worth to get it la at the top of this page. I didn't say worth to go to CoD5. Read properly ler....if I say RA3 is worth to get it doesn't I will go to wert but it'll be great to play it. Ok la... I'm sorry that I didn't read properly  So u stay in CoD4? |
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Oct 20 2008, 04:04 PM
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I'll stay in CoD4 for competitiveness. CoD5 for co-op and multipayer fun!
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Oct 20 2008, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.Pikachu @ Oct 20 2008, 04:04 PM) I'll stay in CoD4 for competitiveness. CoD5 for co-op and multipayer fun! Second |
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Oct 20 2008, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.Pikachu @ Oct 19 2008, 10:49 PM) I said it was worth to get it la at the top of this page. I didn't say worth to go to CoD5. Read properly ler....if I say RA3 is worth to get it doesn't I will go to wert but it'll be great to play it. Still considering which one to get la.Tough choice. |
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Oct 20 2008, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 20 2008, 05:29 PM) Still considering which one to get la. Easy.Tough choice. Get both |
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Oct 21 2008, 01:20 AM
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First time in LYN i saw vote all have equal number of votes
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Oct 21 2008, 01:29 AM
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QUOTE([xEF�) syNc,Oct 21 2008, 01:20 AM] lawl. Not anymore... First time in LYN i saw vote all have equal number of votes |
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Oct 21 2008, 07:19 AM
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QUOTE(Luftwacko @ Oct 20 2008, 05:36 PM) Easy. Ok,you buy me CoD5 then. Get both |
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Oct 21 2008, 07:47 AM
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get both and decide which you'll like. It's hard to say now since it's not even released yet
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Oct 21 2008, 08:01 AM
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i rly dont know
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Oct 21 2008, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 21 2008, 07:19 AM) Ok,you buy me CoD5 then. Np, just gimme your computer and I'll buy you one. |
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Oct 21 2008, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(corad @ Oct 21 2008, 07:47 AM) get both and decide which you'll like. It's hard to say now since it's not even released yet True. QUOTE(Luftwacko @ Oct 21 2008, 12:18 PM) Np, just gimme your computer and I'll buy you one. Sure,you want my P4 1.6GHz? |
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Oct 21 2008, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 21 2008, 03:20 PM) True. It's anytime better than my retro P3 600mhz lappy Sure,you want my P4 1.6GHz?  |
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Oct 22 2008, 09:06 AM
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Sigh..
COD5 is priced at RM179.90... So high compared to other games.... out of NFS, RA3, GTA4, COD5.. can oni afford 1 ori.. most probably getting RA3 next week... will play COD5 the pirate way, Arrrr...... |
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Oct 22 2008, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(james2306 @ Oct 22 2008, 09:06 AM) Sigh.. Huh???COD5 is priced at RM179.90... So high compared to other games.... out of NFS, RA3, GTA4, COD5.. can oni afford 1 ori.. most probably getting RA3 next week... will play COD5 the pirate way, Arrrr...... So expensive??? RM40 more than RA3. Crap. Added on October 22, 2008, 3:56 pm QUOTE(Luftwacko @ Oct 21 2008, 04:43 PM) It's anytime better than my retro P3 600mhz lappy Unfortunately,it's dead now.My old AMD rig also suffered from dead mobo problem.HDD also died. This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Oct 22 2008, 03:56 PM |
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Oct 23 2008, 12:03 AM
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Sure I'll try CoD5. Maybe I'll switch back and forth from time to time. But XEF should also train for CoD5 to keep in touch with tournaments and stuff because im sure the tourneys would host CoD5 too.
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