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post Oct 6 2009, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(wateverjunk @ Oct 6 2009, 04:14 PM)
im planning to get a Dell studio 14inch - and use external more for videos and photo editing while the internal hdd for movies n music..not too sure bout eSata...sorry noob
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The Studio 14 comes equipped with an eSata port. Most new lappies do.
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post Oct 21 2009, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(engseng @ Oct 21 2009, 01:22 PM)
I hear that Intel makes the best SSDs now. But SSDs are still too expensive... If I wanted to buy one, I would like it to be at least 1Tb.
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That will likely be a few more years in the making, and will be another couple before they get affordable. Your best bet would be in 2015 or later. And by then if the conventional HDD is still around, they'll be having capacities of up till 10TB. More than most people use in an entire lifetime.

As for the SSD market, Intel's x25-m offers probably the best bang for buck factor. Though OCZ is starting to give them a run for their money.
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post Oct 23 2009, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Oct 23 2009, 09:01 PM)
Which brand of SSD is good ?
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The best bang for buck SSD in Malaysia is Intel's X-25m G2 which supports the TRIM command thus making it somewhat impervious to the notorious SSD slowdown.

Another good competitor, if you have the money for it, is OCZ's Indilinx based Vertex/Vertex Turbo series.

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post Oct 26 2009, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(phas3r @ Oct 26 2009, 02:40 AM)
Why SSD don't need to defrag?
don't need or cannot?
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You don't need to defrag a SSD. It's because of the way the SSD stores data as opposed to a regular HDD. I.e. Flash based data versus conventional magnetic dots, so to speak.


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post Oct 26 2009, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(naith @ Oct 26 2009, 10:19 AM)
I've been doing some research and noticed that there's a 750 Gb version of WD's Black Caviar series, but I can't seem to find a price for that in the lowyat price lists. Is the 750 Gb version of it not sold here?
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Probably it ain't being sold in Malaysia. Here in the States we have every variety from 500GB to 1TB models.
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post Oct 26 2009, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(naith @ Oct 26 2009, 04:47 PM)
between Caviar Green and Caviar Black, which would you recommend for use for downloading torrents and watching movies?
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Why don't you judge for yourself? Tom's Hardware has some pretty comprehensive charts detailing the performance of different HDDs.
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post Oct 27 2009, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 27 2009, 02:01 PM)
It's possible to defrag, but you'll lose a tiny bit of lifespan and it's not needed. Heavy fragmentation causes a performance drop in HDDs, which can go below 1 MB/s read/write. SSDs with good controllers (Intel or Indilinx) won't notice it, and Intel's will maintain random read/write at 60 MB/s.

Any idea on how much an Intel G2 160 GB costs and where we can get one?
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Er, I don't think the read speeds of a SSD is affected by fragmentation at all. What happens when fragmentation or data clutters occur is the general degradation of write performance, random and sequential alike. It's because of how the SSD handles write operations with it having to clear entire used blocks before rewriting the new data. Read speeds on the other hand don't change by much, if at all, along the entire lifespan of a SSD. Though the problem with cluttered SSDs should be solved now that Windows 7 is out and supporting the TRIM command which allows the SSDs controller to actually delete data when it is required as opposed to your OS merely flagging said data as deleted.

Also, why do you need so much storage for your SSD? Wouldn't a 80GB SSD plus a 1TB HDD suffice for all your applications?
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post Oct 28 2009, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 28 2009, 02:03 PM)
True, but I was wondering how much cheaper the 160 GB is on a RM per GB basis.
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On Newegg, the 80GB retail model costs $299 while its 160GB counterpart is $659. If Malaysian prices are similar, then you'll have your answer. But the problem is, I cant seem to find a single shop listing the 160GB model's retail price.
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post Oct 29 2009, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(engseng @ Oct 29 2009, 01:19 PM)
Since SSD drives are so small to store everything you have, one thing you guys can do is to install Windows and the applications on the Intel SSD drive, and install your data on your normal HDD. That way you can start up your programs faster.
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Er, I think anyone seriously considering a SSD would have come across that recommendation before. A slightly more advanced version encompasses the relocation of your entire user profile on a separate HDD to further save space.
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post Oct 30 2009, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 30 2009, 03:24 PM)
I wouldn't recommend moving your user profile. One of the more noticeable issues to me is that it takes forever for my Start Menu to list the shortcuts available from a cold start. SSDs excel with thousands of little files or shortcuts.

A simpler solution would be to simply not store anything big within your user profile. Be anal about it. If it was big or worth keeping, it should be stored outside of the OS partition anyway. And run CCleaner or similar programs, say once a week, to keep the rubbish out of your temporary folders.
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True, but all those random writes are bound to clog up your SSD in no time which would drastically reduce its performance. Until Intel sorts out its TRIM command, this is gonna be one big headache.

Also running CCleaner without the TRIM command is useless. It'll simply make your OS flag the temporary files as deleted without actually passing down that command to the SSD controller meaning your files wont get physically deleted anyway.
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post Nov 3 2009, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Nov 3 2009, 12:25 AM)
Im planning to upgrade my pc speed by buying the 10k RPM veloci Raptor. Does using 10k RPM HDD reli can see noticable improvement in speed? does using 10k RPM HDD gave more effect than upgrading to better multiple processor?
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In terms of app loading times, you'll definitely see a boost from a speedy 10K RPM HDD, but not as much as the performance boost you'll get from any decent SSD. Other than the aforementioned loading times, a VRaptor doesn't really give any other substantial benefits that would be had from getting a better CPU.
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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Nov 3 2009, 01:10 AM)
So what about multitasking? For example. if currently my PC is abit lag+slow dealing with 1 games and 1 Adobe Illustrator program simultaneously, will upgrading to veloci raptor give improvement in multitasking those heavy application?
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No. Using more RAM or a better processor is more likely to give you the performance boost you desire.
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QUOTE(everling @ Nov 3 2009, 04:26 PM)
Also the Velociraptor has aged. It's only edge compared to other platters is fast random access time as it has lost the average and maximum data transfer rate to the 2 TB drives.
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And when comparing the 150GB VRaptor to the similarly priced OCZ Agility 30GB the differences in flash based memory access times will become painfully apparent.
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QUOTE(everling @ Nov 3 2009, 08:09 PM)
It is not advised to buy too small a capacity. Current SSDs performs best when about 25% of its capacity is free. I think with TRIM support, that performance barrier is lifted.

Also, Kingston's 40 GB SSD based on Intel tech performs weaker than the 80 GB or 160 GB because it doesn't have as many chips to work in parallel with.
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I was making the comparison because they were similarly priced. But heck, theoretically, even if you just install your OS on the SSD and put everything else on your HDD, it would still give better performance than the VRaptor.
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post Nov 4 2009, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(superb88 @ Nov 4 2009, 02:11 PM)
Cuz I sort of have tendency 2 choose WD cuz i feel that its reliable as I had seagates dying prematurely on me b4...SAMSUNG's sounds new to the business, nvr heard of it few yrs bak...***mayb cuz i nvr keep myself up 2 date

but SAMsung's reliability's good? any comments? I like em becuz it seems lk the all in one package & they don't give me dilemma with the green and black thing... rclxub.gif
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Many complete system manufacturers have been using HDDs from OEMs such as Samsung and Hitachi for some time now.

I don't have any personal experience with a Samsung drive, but it does seem to be an extremely popular choice here in the States. In fact their new F3 is all the rage with system builders right now. At least those I know of or read about.

QUOTE(engseng @ Nov 4 2009, 03:17 PM)
Is there a reason why SSDs are not made in 3.5" sizes to fit in more NAND chips?
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Even a basic 2.5" 30GB SSD is so bloody expensive. Mind speculating how much a 3.5" 90GB one will cost?

I think the current 2.5" form factor is just right for SSDs. Once capacities start to explode, we could see the advent of 3.5" drives instead. On the other hand, chip shrinking could stop that from happening altogether.
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post Nov 9 2009, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Nov 8 2009, 09:43 PM)
kingston v series 128 Gb is RM 500++
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Which retailer is selling that? Mind giving us a link?
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QUOTE(Irishcoffee @ Nov 10 2009, 06:06 PM)
guys any1 know wer got sell samsung spinpoint f3 at lowyat plaza??
izzit viewnet selling??coz they nvr state info ther , they selling f3 or ecogreen?
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You'll need to identify the product numbers. The 1TB version is labeled HD103SJ while its 500GB counterpart is HD502HJ.

By the way, I recall reading a someone say that C-Zone is selling both models in question. You should also be able to locate them in LYN Garage Sales section.
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QUOTE(Irishcoffee @ Nov 10 2009, 06:20 PM)
btw i cant find at samsung website
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd...d=469&ppmi=1155
here is the one HD502HJ , wer is HD103SJ , 2x500gb platter
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I couldn't find the 1TB model there too. A quick peek at Newegg solved that problem.
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QUOTE(joellim @ Nov 15 2009, 10:14 PM)
i'm currently using RAID 0 with 2 old harddisk of mine.

a seagate barracuda 250GB+western D 250GB.

there's an noticeable increase in access times and writing data. games load faster as well...5-10 seconds..bootup times is definitely faster. using 32kb stripe size.
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That is because due to the limitations of a physical drive head, your seek times will never actually improve by epic proportions with a RAID array.
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QUOTE(engseng @ Nov 17 2009, 09:36 AM)
The Fusion-io ioXtreme PCI SSD may be only 80Gb, but it can consistently give throughput of 700Mb/s reads and 300Mb/s writes which is way faster than SATA II:

Fusion-io ioXtreme PCI Express SSD reviewed: wicked fast, bloody expensive
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$900 for a 80GB drive? Pass.

Besides, the only real benefit I see with flash based memory is their minuscule seek times. Leave the sequential transfers to a good ol' HDD.

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