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post Oct 5 2008, 04:03 PM, updated 18y ago

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i just realized i cant live without xbox now that star wars is out, fable, fallout, gears of war and saints row all on the way.. i was wondering whats the price like nowdays without the controllers, hardisk, cables?, thats the arcade package right? but i read it comes with a controller..i tak mau...whats the most minimum i can get and the price of that?

Also, hows the new system like was it jasper or falcon? the trauma that damn 3rod has caused me i tell you..is it like 30% chance of getting 3rod or something now? i wud still buy if the price is right.. im so deprived..any help wud be great..thanks..
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post Oct 5 2008, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(Aesthete @ Oct 5 2008, 04:03 PM)
i just realized i cant live without xbox now that star wars is out, fable, fallout, gears of war and saints row all on the way.. i was wondering whats the price like nowdays without the controllers, hardisk, cables?, thats the arcade package right? but i read it comes with a controller..i tak mau...whats the most minimum i can get and the price of that?

Also, hows the new system like was it jasper or falcon? the trauma that damn 3rod has caused me i tell you..is it like 30% chance of getting 3rod or something now? i wud still buy if the price is right.. im so deprived..any help wud be great..thanks..
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you should cheak out wat most gamers are talking about on the new falcon chip at gamespot.com/xbox360forum. I'd say most newly income of xbox360 comes with it and has no 3rrod...YET.
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post Oct 5 2008, 08:17 PM

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The barest package would be Xbox 360 Arcade, which essentially a package with one controller (wireless if i'm not mistaken), a normal AV cable (without component output), a memory card instead of harddrive, and some arcade games packaged with it. It is based Falcon chipset though, just like other 360s right now.
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post Oct 6 2008, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Gsharpmajor @ Oct 5 2008, 05:10 PM)
you should cheak out wat most gamers are talking about on the new falcon chip at gamespot.com/xbox360forum. I'd say most newly income of xbox360 comes with it and has no 3rrod...YET.
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Even Falcon set may hit 3rod. At least mine did after 8 months of usage and I am not even a heavy gamer. I read that some others had it too.
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post Oct 6 2008, 03:31 PM

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Xbox 360 really problematic huh? Don't know why Microsoft even release it when its faulty. tongue.gif
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post Oct 6 2008, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(ericpires @ Oct 6 2008, 03:31 PM)
Xbox 360 really problematic huh? Don't know why Microsoft even release it when its faulty. tongue.gif
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it's called a "software company's mentality", i.e : fix it after release.
i hope they already learnt their lesson for the next xbox.

but quite good la they are willing to fork out money to back up their mistakes, unlike some other company (cough : sony)
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it's called a "software company's mentality", i.e : fix it after release.
i hope they already learnt their lesson for the next xbox.

but quite good la they are willing to fork out money to back up their mistakes, unlike some other company (cough : sony)
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erm..like wat?got any example? hehe... smile.gif
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QUOTE(nazseha @ Oct 6 2008, 05:28 PM)
erm..like wat?got any example? hehe... smile.gif
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post Oct 6 2008, 06:28 PM

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i checked out the forum at gamespot most of the people with falcon seemed to be fine..tho most of them only had it a few of months..when did falcon release i thought there was one being released end of august or early sept? which is that? how much do u guys think the minimum set of the falcon will cost ah? i think that will have to do..its not like their making another new system which is 3rod free right? or are they?

btw, i thought Microsoft didnt admit the mistake?

Odan, did u manage to fix your 3rod problem? 8 months is messed up wei.. i bought my 1st one when it 1st came out and it lasted more than a year..
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QUOTE(Aesthete @ Oct 6 2008, 06:28 PM)
i checked out the forum at gamespot most of the people with falcon seemed to be fine..tho most of them only had it a few of months..when did falcon release i thought there was one being released end of august or early sept? which is that? how much do u guys think the minimum set of the falcon will cost ah? i think that will have to do..its not like their making another new system which is 3rod free right? or are they?

btw, i thought Microsoft didnt admit the mistake?

Odan, did u manage to fix your 3rod problem? 8 months is messed up wei.. i bought my 1st one when it 1st came out and it lasted more than a year..
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when a company publicly came out with a statement that they are plunking 3 million USD for repairs, that shows that they are admitting to their mistakes.
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post Oct 6 2008, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(odan @ Oct 6 2008, 12:45 PM)
Even Falcon set may hit 3rod. At least mine did after 8 months of usage and I am not even a heavy gamer. I read that some others had it too.
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You were sure u had a falcon unit ? And which error code was it ? GPU error, or something else ?
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post Oct 7 2008, 10:20 AM

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yeah, it's a falcon set. i did the xclamp replacement so i am sure of this.

it was 3rod at first.. can't remember the secondary error code but it's gpu related. it's e74 now but still playable. i am running it "open" box now, with the dvd drive moved outside the case and a usb fan blowing at the gpu. the heat doesn't seems so bad so maybe it's due to a manufacturing defect.

in any case, i would still get an xbox360 over a ps3.
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post Oct 7 2008, 10:36 AM

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I refuse to buy a defective product that was intentionally rolled out with a known design flaw, just to spite Sony and beat it to the punch.

Waiting until they release the real Xbox360, which is Jasper.



But does anybody know what the hell happened to Jasper?

It was supposed to be out late August.

Now already freakin' October, still not a pip squeak whatsoever.


Microsoft's vapourware, ah?

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Oct 7 2008, 10:36 AM)
I refuse to buy a defective product that was intentionally rolled out with a known design flaw,
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Meh, there's a 3-year warranty so it's not really that big a deal ... for countries which M$ supports the 'Box of course. For us we get shafted cos we gotta go SG to claim =\
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post Oct 7 2008, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Oct 7 2008, 10:36 AM)
I refuse to buy a defective product that was intentionally rolled out with a known design flaw, just to spite Sony and beat it to the punch.

Waiting until they release the real Xbox360, which is Jasper.
But does anybody know what the hell happened to Jasper?

It was supposed to be out late August.

Now already freakin' October, still not a pip squeak whatsoever.
Microsoft's vapourware, ah?
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The main difference between falcon and jasper is the 65nm cpu. the heat problem is primarily caused by the gpu so not sure how much it will help.
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post Oct 7 2008, 03:46 PM

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yeah i was aiming to get jasper too..isnt it out yet? i guess just check the manufactured date lah...any xbox manufactured from september onwards should be jasper..no?
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QUOTE(odan @ Oct 7 2008, 03:36 PM)
The main difference between falcon and jasper is the 65nm cpu. the heat problem is primarily caused by the gpu so not sure how much it will help.
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Err no, Falcon comes with 65nm CPU and 90nm GPU, Jasper supposed to have both GPU & CPU at 65nm
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QUOTE(Aesthete @ Oct 7 2008, 03:46 PM)
yeah i was aiming to get jasper too..isnt it out yet? i guess just check the manufactured date lah...any xbox manufactured from september onwards should be jasper..no?
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No, the latest ones are around LOT# 837 and they are still falcons.
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post Oct 7 2008, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Oct 7 2008, 03:48 PM)
Err no, Falcon comes with 65nm CPU and 90nm GPU, Jasper supposed to have both GPU & CPU at 65nm
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oh yeah. my mistake. in that case jasper is worth waiting for. thanks for pointing this out.

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post Oct 7 2008, 06:16 PM

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oh man..its already october..how long must thy children wait for jasper...but can anyone tell me the arcade price atleast i'll know if my budget is enough and ease my mind...
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QUOTE(Aesthete @ Oct 7 2008, 06:16 PM)
oh man..its already october..how long must thy children wait for jasper...but can anyone tell me the arcade price atleast i'll know if my budget is enough and ease my mind...
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If I'm not mistaken the retailers are forced to bundle the Arcade SKU with additional controller & and game by the local distributor to pump up the price.. heard it somewhere in LYN here, don't take my words for it.
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post Oct 8 2008, 10:07 AM

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as i know that arcade version is outa stock checked at benard and keane both also have no stock im planning to buy a 3rod 360 and get it repaired (1st time 3rod) and hope can finish gears of war 2,still not confident to buy new unit coz very xpensive and can 3rod anytime.
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you got a point there..but u could rely on warrantee at least a year right? i wud say thats better than buying a 3rod xbox..mine lasted about 2 months after 1st 3rod and my friend's one not even a week..u guys know of any sites online i can check for local prices?
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Look no further mate http://forum.lowyat.net/Computer&ConsoleGames
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post Oct 9 2008, 01:29 PM

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how come there is a forumertold me there is a jesper set reach asia already???
dizzy....

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QUOTE(Aesthete @ Oct 8 2008, 07:23 PM)
you got a point there..but u could rely on warrantee at least a year right? i wud say thats better than buying a 3rod xbox..mine lasted about 2 months after 1st 3rod and my friend's one not even a week..u guys know of any sites online i can check for local prices?
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dats why need to select good repairman b4 send ur 3rod xbox360 eg. tech2 kinda pricey but i guess if can use almost a year consider ok la.
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I m waiting for Jasper too. But i think it will hit the store in this december.
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hopefully this december jasper is available.can't wait for anymore SKUs.been waiting since falcon last year but falcon also not that reliable.if jasper is still not around this year..probably going to the dark side
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jasper also not sure of its reliability,its just that 360mobo got prob dats all if ms can improve the 360mobo to hold the ATI gpu heat then sure ok 1.ATI is always running hot eg my ATI HD4870 idle at 60-70degrees i had to mod the driver to speed up the fan speed dat also its 45nm GPU also very hot,even if MS upgrade the chip to 65nm still wont solve the heat issue.Faster or bigger system fan/heat sink like the ps3 will certainly improve 360 reliability.
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post Oct 10 2008, 10:37 PM

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my friend told me about tech2 but its only 3 months warranty right? mayb those who have fixed with tech2 give some input? how long already since they fixed and did it 3rod since then? oh btw thanks gundamalpha for the link..no jasper yet tho.. sad.gif but even if jasper it out the arcade package wud still cause like 1000 or more right..thats kinda outta my budget so perhaps its best i go with tech2?
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the bet solution 2 prevent 3 rod is to make the 3rod naked open the casing and fit a cooling fan on the heatsink 360 use passive cooling not very gud

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QUOTE(S4PH @ Oct 11 2008, 10:04 AM)
the bet solution 2 prevent 3 rod is to make the 3rod naked open the casing and fit a cooling fan on the heatsink 360 use passive cooling not very gud
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no need to have a naked x360... just change the stock fan to a higher rpm fan or buy a RM40 external suction fan. it should provide u sufficient air flow against overheating
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QUOTE(Aesthete @ Oct 10 2008, 10:37 PM)
my friend told me about tech2 but its only 3 months warranty right? mayb those who have fixed with tech2 give some input? how long already since they fixed and did it 3rod since then? oh btw thanks gundamalpha for the link..no jasper yet tho.. sad.gif but even if jasper it out the arcade package wud still cause like 1000 or more right..thats kinda outta my budget so perhaps its best i go with tech2?
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many of the gamers doing the reballing aint 100% ok...some of them just a week and half then 3rrod...some of them when turning the console on , the screen turn into green and purple... i dont think the reballing method the best way to fix 3rrod..
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Most that aint ok with reballing is bcos they have remove the x clamp and has caused serious damage to the board so if first time 3rod can revive but if already 2nd time or more hard 2 revive,if screen become green n purple mayb because th gpu already defective coz overheat,dats why tech2 give new gpu,so he can give warranty n guarantee.
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my one god knows how many times 3rod ady la..i sent to trot twice.. then unplug fan overheat 2 or 3 times.. then towel trick twice..then eraser trick few times and finally did coin trick few times..still think i shud go for reballing?
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QUOTE(Aesthete @ Oct 12 2008, 08:23 AM)
my one god knows how many times 3rod ady la..i sent to trot twice.. then unplug fan overheat 2 or 3 times.. then towel trick twice..then eraser trick few times and finally did coin trick few times..still think i shud go for reballing?
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if u have already done all the tricks that damages the board better dont waste ur money in reballing as the board already seriously damaged/warped.
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QUOTE(Aesthete @ Oct 12 2008, 08:23 AM)
my one god knows how many times 3rod ady la..i sent to trot twice.. then unplug fan overheat 2 or 3 times.. then towel trick twice..then eraser trick few times and finally did coin trick few times..still think i shud go for reballing?
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cannot imagine the pain tat ur 360 suffered... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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dats why la i takut 2 buy a new unit cost 1.3k imagine use a week or less suddenly 3rod wana warranty hav 2 go to s'pore,2 nite im getting a 3rod console and will send it 2 benard for repair hope can play gears of war2 nex month hehehehehe.
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My friend less than one year old Falcon 360 just gotten one red light. E74, beyond repairable, the board has bended a little bit by itself. Kinda disappointed with the quality already.
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if the done the reballing process, is it possible the 360 will overheat again due to the nature of it's design and getting another RROD?
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post Oct 13 2008, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(nazseha @ Oct 12 2008, 02:12 PM)
cannot imagine the pain tat ur 360 suffered... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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imagine the pain i suffered seeing the red lights every time my attempts failed..only the towel trick wud have caused damaged to the motherboard i think..which i regret doing..i dont think unplugging the fan wud have done any serious damage cos most of the time it was never more than 5 minutes..but tech2 wud be able to see the condition of the motherboard and tell me what to expect if i reball right..? however, seeing thats its a business they might just say its fine and reball my damaged motherboard..i'll just never play xbox again lah senang..
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Oct 11 2008, 02:04 PM)
the bet solution 2 prevent 3 rod is to make the 3rod naked open the casing and fit a cooling fan on the heatsink 360 use passive cooling not very gud
No, the best solution to prevent 3ROD is to buy Playstation 3.

Sorry to say.

That's the truth, until Microsoft starts selling the real Xbox 360 which is Jasper.




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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Oct 13 2008, 11:33 AM)
No, the best solution to prevent 3ROD is to buy Playstation 3.

Sorry to say.

That's the truth, until Microsoft starts selling the real Xbox 360 which is Jasper.
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bro, sorry to say that's not a solution at all.. biggrin.gif
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3rod they buy another console,360 many good games so buying a ps3 is nt the solution.
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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Oct 13 2008, 11:33 AM)
No, the best solution to prevent 3ROD is to buy Playstation 3.

Sorry to say.

That's the truth, until Microsoft starts selling the real Xbox 360 which is Jasper.
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Sorry to say, i dun agree.

I got the new Falcon 360 Arcade. The power-brick failed out of the box, but was replaced for free.
The system is running strong so far.

I know the problem exist but still choose 360 over PS3,
first because of price of 360, second because of all the fantastic RPG coming out.

Still looking to get a PS3 when the price drop though, smile.gif
it is a very decent machine actually. nod.gif
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ps3 wasted tgk bd muvie jek..bek g cinema tgk muvie dr beli bd mahal nak

mampuih..lol
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So if i buy a Xbox now, how much would it cost and what are the chances of getting the 3ROD?
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what are the chances of getting the 3ROD?
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100%
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mine is the Falcon chip...bought somewhere before Chinese New Year. So far no problem but its better to have a cooling fan directed to your Xbox for cooling. and of cos don't play for more than 4 hours. gets pretty hot later...

it's 100% get RROD but by having cooling fan and less playing hours hopefully can reduce the chances of getting RROD.
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so when jasper arrive here?
is 60gb is jasper
mfg date 28/08/08?
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i think probably end of the year only arrive la..dont know whether they will have arcade also here..manyak susah leh..
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Jasper is supposed to have been on the manufacturing lines in August.

Now coming to the end of October already. Still nothing.

If Microsoft can't deliver a non-defective design by the Christmas shopping season, they deserve to lose to Sony PS3.



Imagine that.... 3 bloody years intentionally peddling defective consoles to consumers!



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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Oct 19 2008, 12:15 PM)
Jasper is supposed to have been on the manufacturing lines in August.

Now coming to the end of October already. Still nothing.

If Microsoft can't deliver a non-defective design by the Christmas shopping season, they deserve to lose to Sony PS3.
Imagine that.... 3 bloody years intentionally peddling defective consoles to consumers!
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i will wait for the Jasper unit next year.
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QUOTE(neogeocdz @ Oct 13 2008, 01:20 PM)
Sorry to say, i dun agree.

I got the new Falcon 360 Arcade. The power-brick failed out of the box, but was replaced for free.
The system is running strong so far.

I know the problem exist but still choose 360 over PS3,
first because of price of 360, second because of all the fantastic RPG coming out.

Still looking to get a PS3 when the price drop though,  smile.gif
it is a very decent machine actually.  nod.gif
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Lol... my 2 friends' Falcon Xboxes just 3rod. whistling.gif Both less than 1 year old. I'm on my second box now (falcon), first one died in 3 months. So please don't post as if Xbox never broke. shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(hezda @ Oct 19 2008, 05:44 PM)
Lol... my 2 friends' Falcon Xboxes just 3rod.  whistling.gif Both less than 1 year old. I'm on my second box now (falcon), first one died in 3 months. So please don't post as if Xbox never broke.  shakehead.gif
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wtf tat u talking about? he doesn't said tat xbox360 never broke.. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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My bad, I'm too pissed with the 360 now. The failure rate is just so "amazing"!
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QUOTE(hezda @ Oct 19 2008, 05:44 PM)
Lol... my 2 friends' Falcon Xboxes just 3rod.  whistling.gif Both less than 1 year old. I'm on my second box now (falcon), first one died in 3 months. So please don't post as if Xbox never broke.  shakehead.gif
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Why currently new gen console so weak ar.... Xbox360 3rod and PS3 lens hang problem.....
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QUOTE(hezda @ Oct 19 2008, 05:44 PM)
Lol... my 2 friends' Falcon Xboxes just 3rod.  whistling.gif Both less than 1 year old. I'm on my second box now (falcon), first one died in 3 months. So please don't post as if Xbox never broke.  shakehead.gif
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glad to know i'm not the only one. seems like falcon just last longer.
Lord_Ashe
post Oct 20 2008, 11:30 AM

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Hezda also pissed off with MS?

So I got kawan now. I'm hoping by next summer MS will have fixed the issues so I can rebuy a 360. I really am angry that my 360 RODed - so anyone buying now, from what I can see will have a 50% chance of it dying. It's PURE luck.
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post Oct 20 2008, 01:06 PM

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when 3rod hantar repair la just keep on reviving until the gpu kaput

 

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