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TSfelicious
post Sep 22 2008, 02:43 PM, updated 18y ago

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I had made police report and lodged a report to Public Bank too.

RM2822.16 was transferred out to an account holder name end with Charles on 25th August.

I reported to Bank Negara and Bank Negara ask me to report to FMB.

I reported to FMB and waiting for their news.

I met an inspector and he said that he can't help me much. He will just try his best to check on the 3rd party's account number.

This post has been edited by felicious: Nov 20 2008, 01:08 AM
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post Sep 22 2008, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(swaichia @ Sep 22 2008, 02:47 PM)
any idea that fellow transfer your $$$ into which account???
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The bank told me it was transferred to someone which I forgot the name. sad.gif

QUOTE(xyfix @ Sep 22 2008, 02:53 PM)
I think it's not hacking to your system. Maybe some sort of fake website. You got email from "Public bank", ask for you to change your password. From there, they can get your old password and use it to access your online banking account.
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I'm having internet connection problem, thus I didn't check my email and didn't fall to those fraud.

QUOTE(Lowyat NET @ Sep 22 2008, 02:53 PM)
I suppose u can check da transaction record rite? have u tracked into which account the money went to? if not maybe the bank done something, or it could be someone always nearby you. Never let your mobilephone careless.
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The transaction was on 25th August, and I only found out about it on 15th Sept.

QUOTE(Vincent Pang @ Sep 22 2008, 02:56 PM)
sorry to hear that, but this seems a serious system compromised. But you should be able to track to which account the money is transferred and thus start investigating on that person
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I just can wait for the bank to go for further investigation and wait for their reply sad.gif

QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Sep 22 2008, 02:58 PM)
Mind to show some screenshots?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Screenshot isn't with me now as I am at my hometown and the screenshot is in KL pc

QUOTE(Polaris @ Sep 22 2008, 02:59 PM)
Have you logged in from public place like cc/office/starbucks?

If not you log in from home, so someone from your own home stole from you!
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I never go to CC, and I never go to my college CIT to transfer money.

QUOTE(crapp0 @ Sep 22 2008, 03:00 PM)
Lucky only 2800. Thats still small money compared to other ppl account which run to the 10's of thousands.
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2800 is a big transaction for me. It's the PTPTN money that just banked in to me for me to pay college fees sad.gif

QUOTE(moorish @ Sep 22 2008, 03:01 PM)
i was just talking to my bro how safe is Ebanking this morning.... so proven not safe
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nothing is perfect, and I am the unlucky person. Got scolded from dad for using ebanking sad.gif

QUOTE(EmperorMeng @ Sep 22 2008, 03:04 PM)
bank wont ganti?
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I wish, but I am not sure sad.gif

QUOTE(crazyconsumer @ Sep 22 2008, 03:09 PM)
Maybe gf or bf or anyone with access to your phone stole money
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It is transferred to one fella, who I think is Indian, but confirmed not Chinese nor Malay.

QUOTE(cutejams2004 @ Sep 22 2008, 03:10 PM)
probably, coz unless u revealed ur details, or gave ur atm card to some1 ,its not easy for an outsider to do so..unless of coz, pb staff itself is involved or ppl close to u
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I lost my bag during snatch theft on Jan, which includes my IC, phone and ATM cards
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post Sep 22 2008, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Sep 22 2008, 06:08 PM)
u lost in JAN and u did't make police report to have that particular ATM card suspended?  and you also did't change all banking passwords since then?
and how does the thief can get access to your account via the ATM card.. unless you write the PIN on your ATM card and store other sensitive banking info on your phone.
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1. I don't keep my passwords in my phone.
2. I called to Maybank and Public Bank to cancel my ATM once my bag was snatched.
3. After ATM was cancelled, we have to change our e-banking username and password also.

So, I have no idea on how the hacker manage to transfer that sum of money to another fella. Some of my friends say that my PC was infected by virus and they manage to hack to my account. And about how people can get TAC without getting into my phone, my friend said there's a device which we can insert sim card and hack to my account.

The fella must have known all my details and even know my phone number.

*thinking whether is it because I always put my phone number online?*

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post Sep 23 2008, 01:50 PM

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Pbb just state that they are investigating and were given 30 days.
After 20 days, I ll call them and see how is it..

Sigh, I am really unlucky this year sad.gif


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post Sep 26 2008, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Clareen @ Sep 23 2008, 02:18 PM)
hmm don be sad dear. Hope everything going fine. Hope you'll get your money back as soon as possible.
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Thanks for the concern, dear. I hope I can get back the money, but I really dunno what to do.

If this happens to you guys, what will you guys do? Do the scolding to PBB? Just had a quarrel with family regarding this. cry.gif

QUOTE(iluvena @ Sep 23 2008, 02:59 PM)
yeah. don't be so sad.
the bank sure can retrieve the account.
then its the police job.

for sure they can trace and caught the culprit.
but we're not sure whether you can get the money back.
if you do, it will takes time; subject to court case, subject whether the hackers still got money to pay back or not, subject whether bank will refund your money or not.
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The bank can retrieve the account, it is transferred to an Indian iinm.
Everyone are using ebanking, but why me?!?! Seems like I am the only one in LYN who got hacked in PBE?

I just hope that PBB will refund me the money. It is PBB mistake for their insecure ebanking. Gosh, I really don't have any more confident in PBB. sad.gif

**OMG!! I start whining around again~.. sorrie**

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post Sep 26 2008, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(PleaseEnterYourName @ Sep 26 2008, 01:31 AM)
Ur bank deposit should got insured. Try asking about bank deposit insurance, and this insurance can cover or not. I know it's up to 60k, but i dunno if our careless can claim or not.
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Oh.. never thought deposit bank also have insurance. But this is not my mistake. It's the bank security not good enough.

QUOTE(cube328 @ Sep 26 2008, 01:43 AM)
they should do somthing liek RSA token key every 20 sec generate the number for u !
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QUOTE(sanji-kun @ Sep 26 2008, 01:44 AM)
ohh pity you..im wondering if other internet banking services (maybank2u,cimbclicks etc) are vulnerable to hackers as well.might consider transferring out money or terminate these internet services. hmm.gif
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Yeah, I would like to know too.
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post Sep 26 2008, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(ykc @ Sep 26 2008, 11:54 AM)
so your money gone down the drain ? shocking.gif
any compensation from bank ?
Still can't get a confirm answer from the bank cry.gif

QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Sep 26 2008, 12:04 PM)
Go to the bank & ask the bank to freeze both ur account & the account which the $$ had transfered to...... they can investigate for u....
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They are investigating. The fella says there is no need to freeze my account.

QUOTE(ivanjong @ Sep 26 2008, 12:32 PM)
TS did u report ur bag stolen case on JAN ? if you never got a TAC i think this is how they transfer ur money. They took ur IC which is stolen last time when u lost ur bag and go to PBB saying they lost an ATM card ask for reissue then get a TAC using the ATM card ? i dun think PBB webpage is so easily hacked and also hack into the TAC system is so impossible if they are so good i doubt they would hack so obviously. they would take money from all bank accounts at a small amount so they get large amount of money for a long time before people would notice.
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Can I use my old IC to apply ATM card? I thought they will scan the IC first?I had cancelled my IC and they can't do anything with my IC, right. And the PBB is not that stupid to give an ATM card to someone that is so different frm my IC picture.
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post Sep 27 2008, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Sep 26 2008, 04:24 PM)
From what i knoe Public Bank Online security features is not as good and safe as Maybank2u. Heard a few case of this already. The crook only took 2k or he took all of your savings actually?
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I am poor student, so my account only left around 3K, and that was the money that PTPTN just banked in to me few days. Before I manage to check whether PTPTN banked in money to me or not, my money is already transferred out cry.gif No money pay college fees

QUOTE(karhoe @ Sep 26 2008, 04:39 PM)
I think TAC can only be changed at ATM


Added on September 26, 2008, 4:45 pmI'm sure you can check your transaction history right?
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Yea, I check my transaction history and that's how I know that someone transferred my money away sad.gif
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post Sep 27 2008, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Sep 27 2008, 01:05 AM)
feel bad for u  sad.gif
so how are u gonna settle your school fees?
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Loan from parents first? Gosh, I've been loaning a lot of money from them then sad.gif

QUOTE(jong52yuara @ Sep 27 2008, 01:08 AM)
computer got virus, not secure, pirated (cant update service pack).. ?
If my PC is infected with virus, someone can hack to my PC?

QUOTE(ruztynail @ Sep 27 2008, 05:37 AM)
TS whn u hv gotten the details frm the bank and the outcome of all this mess.. hope u can share wit us how the procedures and final conclusion came about k.. thanks!!

sry for yr lost.. its a very huge amount!!!
Sure.. I would love to share with everyone biggrin.gif

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 27 2008, 06:33 AM)
e-Banking is not secure...even my frrens who work in banking sector dun use e-Banking
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They don't need e-banking also, because they are in bank almost everyday. So, they can transfer or check their banking details by themselves laugh.gif

QUOTE(spartacvs @ Sep 27 2008, 07:31 AM)
I'm sorry to hear that. By the way, when was the PTPTN loan credited into your account and also when was it transferred out from your account?
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My screenshot of my transaction is at KL's PC. I forgot when PTPTN credited money to my account, but I just can remember my money is transferred out on 25th August and PTPTN money was credited to my account 2-5 days ago.

QUOTE(megat_johan @ Sep 27 2008, 08:52 AM)
if u want to change the phone number for TAC
u need to do it at the ATM machine
how could the hacker do that???
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I wanna know the answer too. Even PBB staffs can't gimme an answer sad.gif
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post Oct 10 2008, 05:21 PM

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Bank don't wanna take the responsibility. Bank accused that I am the one who did the transaction. ohmy.gif cry.gif vmad.gif mad.gif cry.gif

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post Oct 10 2008, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(wangpr @ Oct 10 2008, 05:37 PM)
Wah.....

U make a police report............ then bring to see the highest officer ask them to settle and which account receive the amount
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My dad told me that bank don't wanna take responsibility, but I ll look more details about it. Tomorrow, I ll ask my mom to scan me the letter. I ll show what's the content of the letter here.

A foreigner is the one who received the money. That fella is obviously not related to me at all.
E-banking can't be trust, especially from Public Bank. I got scolded by parents everyday about this when I was in hometown. shakehead.gif sad.gif
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post Oct 10 2008, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(JustAsking @ Oct 10 2008, 06:05 PM)
make written complaint enclosing all your relevant documents to Bank Negara ASAP on Monday morning.

Take the time off to go to Bank Negara yourself, dont email/fax (play play only). Make 4 copies, original to Bank Negara, CC copy to Public Bank and your own file copy for acknowledgment by BN and Public Bank (whichever branch or dept that replied to you) and also their legal department.

Call public bank hq, ask them for the legal dept's address (dont know which floor but same building in jalan ampang).

Do this all yourself and get acknowledgment by all the addressees on your file copy.

Check with police whether they have acted on the police report eg trace the recipient of the money. Get the investigating officer's name and HP number for easy follow-up.

No point to cry anymore.

LET THEM KNOW YOU ARE NOT PLAY PLAY ANYMORE, IT'S TIME FOR HARDBALL TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK.


Added on October 10, 2008, 6:14 pmI dont do e-banking so I dont know the procedure but from what i read in this thread, there's supposed to be a TAC to your handphone.

If this is correct, better check with your telco provider to give you all details of  calls, smses on the day your money is transferred out.

If there's none from PBB to your handphone, it will prove that it's not transacted by you.

better toughen up or you will have no chance of getting your money back.
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I went to Bank Negara last Friday before the Public Bank make the decision.
I sent letter to Public Bank earlier on to enquire on this matter and this is the answer they gave me.
I sent letter to Police last Friday, and wait for their reply. Also, this was done before Public Bank make any decision.


About the telco provider, I am not the holder of this number. This number belongs to my mom. I ll ask my friend who work in DiGi more about it.
Thank you for advice smile.gif

Tomorrow I ll get the content of the letter and post it up here.
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post Oct 10 2008, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(JustAsking @ Oct 10 2008, 06:40 PM)
I think you have posted in the wrong forum. There's a "finance" forum which i think have more ppl who can give you good advice. Consider asking the mods to transfer your thread over there lah.

Definitely the telco can trace the calls and sms on the date concerned. I read about this in the newspaper reports on the Altantuya trial.

If the telco refuse to give the account holder, the police will have the authority to get the information.
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I don't know which thread to post at. sad.gif
I really need good advice.

Thanks for your advice anyway smile.gif
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post Oct 10 2008, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 10 2008, 07:37 PM)
Sorry to the TS but personally I still think that PB system is a little safer than M2U.

By the way, beware of phishing sites guys!
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Any news about e-banking fraud before?
So far, I heard about PBB's a lot.
I would like to hear opinions from everyone.
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post Oct 10 2008, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(yumyum77 @ Oct 10 2008, 08:13 PM)
JustAsking, nice advice there, you seem like pro only  tongue.gif

felicious, did you do any transactions on the same day your money were transfered?  hmm.gif
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Nope. It had been some time that I didn't log in to PBE.

QUOTE(JustAsking @ Oct 10 2008, 08:21 PM)
"Based on my experience, bank's system cannot be hacked by mere hackers. There are too much safeguards to that. The faults mostly lies with the user's end."

Just these few days, there's a report on a hacker giving away FREE personal info including legitimate passwords to demo to a journalist how easy it is to get such info. The ppl affected were shocked. Mostly such info traded.

"And if the a/c has been accessed by a legitimate password, you are deemed to have authorised the transactions."

This is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE!!!

Felicious, i somehow feel you are taking this too casually, maybe you are just joking and it's not a real situation. If it's real, please request the mods to transfer this to the "finance etc " board. They will know which board it is.
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If this is true, why there are cases of unauthorized withdrawal via e-banking? And how my money can be transferred to an unknown person? I trust e-banking, and this is what I got. And please, if you think I am joking, why the heck I posted this? I ain't joking ok? Money is important for me. I earn money on my own and pay for my college fees. This money is the money from PTPTN loan that I applied. I don't joke with this kind of matter.

Please look at where are you now. I already asked a moderator to help me move to Finance thread.

QUOTE(cuebiz @ Oct 10 2008, 08:47 PM)
TS.  Since you lost your IC, the fraudster probably go to one of the branch with your IC and claims forget your PBB ebanking username, password and TAC number. Just fill up the form with IC and the bank will issue a new one.

Maybe you may demand the bank to find out which branch and when your TAC is being changed. They will have CCTV in the premises for identification.
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If I am not mistaken, they cannot claim my PBB ebanking username and password. Same goes to TAC. They can only claim an ATM card. If so, they would cancel my current ATM card, right?

As I said before, I reported to bank and leave them to do the investigation. I was hoping some good news from them, but end up this is the news I got. After I've seen the letter, I ll proceed to Bank Negara as well as MCMC.
How I wish my case can be published in newspaper, so that nobody will trust PBE anymore.
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post Oct 10 2008, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(tgrrr @ Oct 10 2008, 10:10 PM)
AFAIK there's 3 failsafe,
1st, login password,
2nd, daily transfer limit (default is RM100 per day only, and cannot increase online)
3rd, TAC to mobile phone

So assuming the password and registered mobile number are still the same meaning account isn't changed/reset... the daily transfer limit has to be 2k+ to allow the transfer.
Did TS use the account for business transaction purposes? Why leave such account setting (with 2k daily transfer limit) without using it for some time? And why TS doesn't use your own mobile number?
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I do online transaction for college fees. And I never increase the transfer limit. When I used it, I can transfer around RM2K.
What do you mean by I don't use my own mobile number?

QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Oct 10 2008, 10:22 PM)
the most important question is....how did they got the TAC........
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Yea, I asked Public Bank, and they say they are on investigation and they also don't know.
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post Oct 10 2008, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(map @ Oct 10 2008, 10:46 PM)
hey TS, you said the money was taken out 25th august? did u log into your ebanking account on that date as well? i ask because your TAC doesn't expire immediately.
i saw the phishing site for m2u before. the actual address is maybank2u.com.my, but the phishing site one was maybank2u-e.com.my so alot of ppl couldn't tell it was a fake. the website layout is EXACTLY THE SAME as the actual m2u web site, so victims will just key in their username and password.

the best part is once u hit ENTER, your username and password is sent to the hacker, whereas the page reloads to the actual m2u website. this makes the victim think that maybe he/she entered something wrong, and will just continue re-login again into their account from the actual m2u site.
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Nope. As I said, I didn't log in to my e-banking for quite some time.

QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Oct 10 2008, 10:57 PM)
My guess would be the 'hacker' would have already got your phone number (SIM card), so probably he will receive TAC as she did?
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This is what is predicted by my friend.

QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Oct 10 2008, 11:03 PM)
Well, I don't know how he did that, but I guess before the phone stolen that SIM Card was Original Sim Card, So probably that guy has tricks to reactivates the old SIM Card somehow..
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Yes, my phone was stolen.


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Thank you for your advice.
The person who told me "I don't know" is from my home branch's staff. He said he will forward to HQ. It had been 2 weeks, I went to Public Bank Bagan Ajam twice to ask about the updates. All I got is "I had forwarded to HQ. It is under investigation. " **I should had recorded the conversation**

Last Friday, I sent a letter to Police Office at my hometown to ask about the investigation of this matter. On the same day, I had also sent a similar letter to Public Bank Bagan Ajam. They accepted it. Today, my father called me and said that Public Bank claimed that this transaction is done by me. I haven't see the letter yet. I will wait for tomorrow for my mother to scan me the letter before making any conclusion.

On the day itself, I had also go to Bank Negara to report this matter. They asked for 14 days to investigate.

P/S : use this code
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Hope this would help you in quoting smile.gif

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post Oct 11 2008, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Oct 11 2008, 12:10 AM)
Well, girls, you can make a call to Public Bank HQ to confirm your report.
Call them up, customer service department. Write them an email alternatively, it will speed up your process.
From my experienced, their CS reply quite fast, but due to today is the friday, you can expect a reply on monday.
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I called Customer Service earlier on, and they asked me to look for the home branch.

I didn't email, but straight passed the letter to the manager of Public Bank Bagan Ajam branch.


By the way, can virus cause hacking?
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post Oct 11 2008, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(speed7791 @ Oct 11 2008, 01:10 AM)
hope tech experts among the forumers out there can share advise n info here. i believe that there are certain ways for hackers to extract info from our pc. someone could have written some program n 'planted' the virus or 'stuff' in your pc deliberately or when u visited some internet sites. like i said i'm not an expert but i believe these things r possible.
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Back to the same question, if they manage to know my username and password, how could they get TAC for the transaction?
Tomorrow I ll see the letter content and will try to post up here.

Hope that I can have concrete evidence that this transaction is not done by me.

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post Oct 11 2008, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(cookie-monster @ Oct 11 2008, 10:14 AM)
hey same thing happened to my auntie too. She lost her ATM card and few days later she found out that someone has transferred money out from her account.

Maybe ATM card can be hacked, I suspect so.

For people who has lost their ATM card, quickly make police report and disable internet banking.
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When I lost my ATM card, I directly get the customer service and cancel the ATM already.

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