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Reuben
post Sep 21 2008, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Sep 21 2008, 08:47 AM)
erm,to be honest,i quit LYN++ cus many good members are quitting,thats wat i said,for instance lexi,reuben,even frosty got kicked,i mean wtf..lode just kicks everyone when they are interested to join other clans,so i rather quit then get kicked,and our trianing sessions are less fun already...people cant just stay in teh same clan forever,as u see i know im annoyying ,i know but that doesnt mean u can hate me after i quit LYN++,and ur attitude change towards me,i though we would still be friends after i quit,but sadly it isnt happening with some..
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QUOTE(strife_personified)
and as i said before, leaving before lode decided to kick you, it sounds like those "i'm feeling guilty" kind of arguments. and leaving because other so called "good" members are leaving, its like so what, let them leave la. i dont mean to disrespect them, cause they're still friends of mine, doesnt change the fact we're all disappointed with the way things turned out, but i suppose the question is, was your loyalty to the clan, or to any one member. im just annoyed with the reasonings and the timing at which you and many of those who are jumping ship chose, as if your resolution was just that weak. well, whatever, i guess. i wish you luck in whatever you do, wssx or not. whether i'm still your friend or not, thats up to you.


To clarify I wasn't kicked. So don't put Lode's fault on this. I just left quietly while waiting for Lexi to announce things on Saturday. I don't know what's the deal with Lodeclaw, haven't spoken to him for a while nor seen him much nor do I know what's his position in the clan right now. He's probably busy with moving back to Canada and Spore.

I spoken to a few people regarding my reasons for leaving and basically Tomato and I don't gel ever since the initial argument I had with him when I requested for LYN++ to contribute some minimal payment to the server rental when at one point I was not meeting my running costs through the server rental (I offered them RM70.00/mo for a 24 slot server plus admin access to any public TF2 servers I maintained). I was accused of wanting to profit from LYN++.

From there on it was also all downhill as well when Tomato continued to want to have a final say in membership despite him not contributing a single bit to the clan (it was Lexi/Lode and the other captains running the show). I had respected him as a founder but otherwise, if he has no desire to be a part of the clan's daily life, he shouldn't profess to know what's best for the clan. That's just my humble opinion.

Lex made me stay after the first argument on the understanding that I wouldn't ever have to deal with Tomato as Lexi will be the person with the final say. However this didn't seem to come to be and with Lexi leaving, I didn't want to have anything to do with a clan that is run by a guy that is more idle than Pak Lah and wishes to avoid his clan in real life (he almost tried to hide from LYN++ members during the Orange Box match till Lexi dragged him out). As long people choose to pander to Tomato as the leader then I don't see any future in a clan with an immature kid who is probably socially retarded at its helm.

There are other reasons as well mostly the time wasting and the lack of leadership and drive in the clan. I'm a working guy so I don't enjoy messing around for an hour waiting for people to show up on time only to have training cancelled early because of some people needing to go suddenly. I don't think I need to go into the other issues as well.

So, I understand if you wish to brand me as a traitor or someone who has given up but I think I have given enough of my time, money and patience for LYN++ and especially to a leader whom I absolutely have 0 respect for. I've been to almost all trainings that I can until the last week where I was reconsidering my position. I think not many people can say the same.

This post has been edited by Reuben: Sep 21 2008, 03:17 PM
Reuben
post Sep 21 2008, 07:54 PM

Firo
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Joined: Oct 2006
From: Sarawak


QUOTE(strife_personified @ Sep 21 2008, 07:03 PM)
haha, i really liked this one. truthery to the core, brother.

as for ezinger, maybe your arguments not fallacious, but circular at best. please stick to your terms, you're confusing us here by changing the definition of team leader every few sentences. i'm not defending tomato's interaction, or lack thereof, with the clan. i'm against your blatant fingerpointing when in fact the whole reason something falls apart is ultimately because of many factors that tie in together. so what if tomato didnt do squat. the team leaders stepped up to the plate and organized stuff. kudos to them. things were fine, so then why again is there no Core team, as lexi complained about? why then aren't people showing up for training? the only time i saw less than the required amount of people for training was the last couple of weeks, and i cant say anything about before i joined, so i wont bother and will stand corrected if i'm mistaken in that regard. back to the questions, why did it continue to fall apart when the people working the machine called LYN++ were in fact some of those that left? can you pin any of that on tomato? especially since he wasnt directly involved? the stuff with reuben aside, since that was directly tomato related, i dont think so.

dont worry about me, i'm perfectly at home arguing with idiots. i'm one of the best, i dont even work up a sweat. but thanks for caring.
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Lexi was the lynchpin for many of us and provided the leadership that Tomato didn't. With Lexi out of the picture and no clear candidate to step up to the plate, many of us felt that it wouldn't be the same without him. There's a lot of background story on what happened but I don't think that needs to be elaborated here.

On why Lexi left I'll leave it to him to explain but I think the whole first restructuring (when the team leaders were appointed) was a huge failure and seeing no clear way forward especially with Tomato continuing to exercise his discretion to add more and more players without any background check, it was just natural that Lexi was frustrated and exhausted with having to answer to a founder and manage a rag tag band of members that although were huge in number, only a small minority were dedicated.

The training itself was also a bit of a let down with sub par teams fighting off each other and especially starting late. It's not to say that the members themselves are sub par but there's always a new member to talk to and integrate, always a mix match of teams and generally it's two handicapped teams fighting among themselves.
Reuben
post Sep 21 2008, 09:44 PM

Firo
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Joined: Oct 2006
From: Sarawak


QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Sep 21 2008, 09:44 PM)
Okay guys time to leave this thread alone stop making flame wars here if you wanna do it make a new thread or so
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Well said biggrin.gif

 

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