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RayV
post Aug 18 2009, 09:19 AM

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Hi All,

Just to share. AAF now having new launch promotion of PurAir 400A.
About 40% discount from retail price for pre-launch promotion.

Retail price: RM1499/unit
New launch promotion: RM888/unit

Briefly, this unit have 6 levels of filtration system to ensure your Indoor Air Quality (IAQ).
Especially, the HEPA filter (99.99% @ 0.3um) for Haze filtration and UV lights for virus & bacteria killing.
Gas phase filter for Odors filtration.
It is a improve version of PurAir 400.

FYI, AAF is a MNC company specialize on industrial filter manufacturing.
Includes Cleanroom HEPA & ULPA, Turbine intake filter, commercial building filter, pulp & paper mils filtration system etc.

Any one interested or more detail needed you can PM me.

Promotion period: 17 Aug to 16 Sept 2009.
Just for once.

Thank you!

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RayV
post Aug 22 2009, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(reader @ Aug 22 2009, 12:12 AM)
RayV

This sounds attractive to me!  rclxms.gif   Pls provide me more details, how to deal with u? (do u help to post?) How much is the filter? and how often the filters need to be replaced? (assuming normal, non smoking, non-aircon living room)

To me, those gimmicks that every brand gave (like AAF's UV) is not the most important factor when buying purifier. (but it does distract me from making my decision at times).  What we wanted is actually the HEPA filter. (ok, maybe charcoal filter too, but almost all have these 2 feature).  As long as it can be certified as HEPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEPA), it is good enough.

Bare in mind, the more gimmick the more chance to spoil.  They always tell u the nice side story only.  Ionizer - why not mention the by-product?  Ozone - why not mention the side effect? Humidifier - some said it is not good for asthma patient? (is that true??)  Plasma Cluster - still not very sure, but I seldom on it on my Sharp fridge tongue.gif, UV - no comment/idea, but need to replace often kah?

Ask yourself - Originally, why u want to  buy an air purifier? If your answer is to clean the air and smell..  Stop reading the ad. when u reach your goal. Instead, pay more attention to the capacity, filter price, power consumption, reliability.

I still like Sharp but can't find the basic one here (maybe too new? - FU-W53E). Anyway, Honeywell, AAF, Philips, are all within my considerations. Price is a factor (Although I'm willing to pay 4-5K only IF it is worth) I am not going to spend my hard earn $$ to sponsor someone to expensive holidays  whistling.gif   Anyone have better options? (No MLM salesman please!)
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Hi Reader,

Thanks for your comment.

We will provide post service, i have PM u the detail.

Further. How well you know abt HEPA? HEPA filter it just for particulate filtration. It does not help to filter virus or bacteria. Ionizer, no doubt it will produce very low concentration of Ozone, but do you knw Ozone is a type of unstable gas that able to react with different toxic gases? and back to O2 again? Do u knw why UV light widely use in hospital application, especially when present of air borne virus and bacteria? Do know abt ULPA filters? Do you knw how smell can be filter out? Most important factor is on the effectiveness of filtration. Not just HEPA.

Humidifier is just a device to increase the Relative Humidity (RH%) in the air. I not sure is it good for asthma patient. But normally humidifier is for human comfort. Maybe you can share any info regarding this?

1 more thing i would like to highlight is do not misunderstand that AAF PurAir 400A gas phase filter are just a charcoal filter. The component inside are engineered chemical media, which designed for different gas removal. It uses chemisorption and adsorption method to capture different type of gases (VOCs, NH3, hydrocarbon etc.) and by-product are CO2, water etc. harmless gases.

If you have any doubt or any "gimmick" please let me know. Will try get everything clear.
FYI, AAF is an MNC company specializing on filter manufacturing for more than 80years.
That mean, to have better air is AAF core business.

Please do not feel offended, the promotion is just for sharing.
Decision is on you.

Once again thanks for your clarification of a buyer mind.

Regards,
RayV

This post has been edited by RayV: Aug 22 2009, 11:52 AM
RayV
post Aug 23 2009, 01:13 AM

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Hi Reader,

As long it provide suitable solution to you is my pleasure.
If you have any more questions or doubt please do not hesitate to contact or PM me.
Will try my best to clarify.

Very appreciate your interest and support.
Thank you!

Regards,
RayV



RayV
post Aug 23 2009, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(gilabola @ Aug 23 2009, 01:26 AM)
I have the same questions that reader asked... ie on how easy is it to get replacement filter, what is the cost, who is the distributor, and what is the post-sale support arrangements?

just wondering if anyone has done a 5-yr cost of ownership comparision btw  sharp and aaf (taking into account all the filtere replacement cost)
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Hi Gilabola,

You can get the replacement filter from any Jusco outlet, directly from AAF factory or distributor.
But for PurAir 400A you can't get from any outlet or distribution since it have not release to open market yet.

I will PM you the filter cost.

For after sales service support, you can contact AAF Carline (03-5511 8111) or AAF factory directly.

Thank you!

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RayV
RayV
post Aug 26 2009, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Aug 25 2009, 10:33 AM)
Ya the manual do mention the active carbon can be wash n re-use but I change them after 3 years usage. While the HEPA filter I change once every year.
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What is the concept behind that actived carbon can be washed to re-use?
As i know odors (VOCs) captured by adsorption method into carbon surface on its mirco-pores structure. If it is that easy to remove out the odors by using water, then it should easy release back by air flowing through (desorption).

Further more VOCs / odors is not water soluble. That mean what have been adsorbed is impossible to be wash out by water. You can search around internet about this.

As i know, in industry, re-activation of carbon or we call as re-use of carbon only can be done by High-temperature treatment. And this is a very expensive treatment.

This is the similar way how activated carbon being made. Taking coal or coconut shell burn in a furnace up to 500~800 degree C to be come charcoal (no mirco-pores on surface). From charcoal, it need to burn in another furnace up to 1000~1500 degree C to be come activated carbon.

So do you think re-use of carbon is just washing it?
I have doubt on this, can any one explain or share on their experience?
So we can know more.
Thank you!


Added on August 26, 2009, 12:04 pm
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 25 2009, 06:52 PM)
ozak,

There are TWO filters in Honeywell. 

1) Carbon pre-filter

2) HEPA filter
(1) need to be replaced.  (2) do not need to be replaced.

<<You cannot remove 100% of the dust, bacteria or smell from the filter when been using for yrs and yrs. >>

Most of the dust is trapped by pre-filter.  Smell is removed by carbon pre-filer too.  Bacteria is TOO SMALL to be removed by either filters.

Actually, it is VERY SIMPLE to understand this if you have a car.  How often do you change your car air filter?? This is WHAT Honeywell design come from. 

The motor last about 10 years.  As long as the HEPA filter last that long, it is good enough.

We vacuum both our pre-filter and HEPA filter every few months.  There are not much dust in HEPA filter.

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Hi Dreamer,

Totally agree with you, "We vacuum both our pre-filter and HEPA filter every few months. There are not much dust in HEPA filter."
This can extend the life span of the HEPA filter.

But I think this will affect the filter efficiency after months of vacuum, damaging the structure of the HEPA media since it use for filtering very small dust such as 0.3mircometer in diameter dust which can't see by naked eyes.

Further more, do you know in our air they are always much more small particles (dust) than large particles?
Do you know Only particle larger than 10mircometer can be seen with naked eye?
Do you know Only 50 out of every million are visible to the naked eye?
So i do not think most of the dust is trapped by prefilter.

And for car air filter, you definitely can choose not to change it but do you know this is affecting your fuel consumption efficiency?
Do you think after cleaning the car air filter it can restore back to its original performance? Worst case is if there is any small damage on the filter media (the white filtering medium) dust goes into engine and accumulate inside causing scratches inside engine block, increases friction and damaging the piston o-ring. Is it worth?

Hmmm..... What you think?




This post has been edited by RayV: Aug 26 2009, 12:04 PM
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post Aug 26 2009, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(reader @ Aug 26 2009, 06:21 PM)
Hi, RayV.  Can AAF turn off some of the functions?  Like Ionizer or UV?
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Hi Reader. Yes, the PurAir400A can turn off Ionizer, UV or both.



RayV
post Aug 26 2009, 10:47 PM

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Hi Dreamer,

Wow! You are really a HONEYWELL supporter. A really air cleaner user expert.
You started since 1994. Observing technology change.
What others brand air cleaner product you recommended? Only HONEYWELL?

RayV

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post Aug 27 2009, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(RayV @ Aug 18 2009, 09:19 AM)
Hi All,

Just to share. AAF now having new launch promotion of PurAir 400A.
About 40% discount from retail price for pre-launch promotion.

Retail price: RM1499/unit
New launch promotion: RM888/unit

Briefly, this unit have 6 levels of filtration system to ensure your Indoor Air Quality (IAQ).
Especially, the HEPA filter (99.99% @ 0.3um) for Haze filtration and UV lights for virus & bacteria killing.
Gas phase filter for Odors filtration.
It is a improve version of PurAir 400.

FYI, AAF is a MNC company specialize on industrial filter manufacturing.
Includes Cleanroom HEPA & ULPA, Turbine intake filter, commercial building filter, pulp & paper mils filtration system etc.

Any one interested or more detail needed you can PM me.

Promotion period: 17 Aug to 16 Sept 2009.
Just for once.

Thank you!

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Hi All,

I received news from AAF factory side that they decided to shorten the pre-launch promotion period from 16 Sept 2009 to 31 Aug 2009.
And will release PurAir 400A to open market. If you still interested on PurAir 400A, you can get it from any Jusco outlet or any AAF distributor.

Once again thanks for your interest on AAF product.
Thank you!

Regards,
RayV


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post Aug 31 2009, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(unnamed @ Aug 31 2009, 09:49 AM)
i've read before that the Sharp plasmacluster technology is different than other ionizers...it also produces positive ions, whereas others just release negative ions...so thats why maybe the fresh smell not so strong.
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If it really produce negative and positive ions together, then is there any possibility all the charged particle (or dust) will all stick together. I think there will be million or mores of charged particles. Something like magnetic poles will attract to their opposites, negative & position will attract and negative & negative will repel. Any comment?

FYI, safety level of ozone permit is about below concentration of 0.05PPM (part per million). You can refer to any health regulation such as EPA, OSHA FDA etc. Below are some website for your references. Do they done any tests on the emission of Ozone level at air outlet?

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.sh...IONS&p_id=21753
http://www.epa.gov/air/ozonepollution/health.html



 

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