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post Sep 29 2008, 02:56 PM

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10ft means minimum 42". 37" is too small at that distance. Even 50" will look okay at 10ft. Astro, DVDs, TV will look best on Plasma. Plasma's are a little iffy on the PC part though (cause of burn-in issues with extended PC usage).

If you're going to use more than 2 hours of PC at a stretch, then go with LCD. I'd say, Sharp for PC, Panny for upscaled DVD, and LG60 (Scarlet) or Toshiba for Astro, DVD, TV.


Added on September 29, 2008, 3:02 pm
QUOTE(rthj @ Sep 29 2008, 02:51 PM)
doesnt this mean lcd would have more potentials in the near future?
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True. But that also means the LCD you buy now doesn't have those technology yet. While Plasma's already look good.

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post Sep 30 2008, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Sep 29 2008, 11:33 PM)
Then, is the Panny PV8 suitable for Blu-ray movies watch since it is HD Ready? I have once seen it performs superbly by feeding BD source. Is it worth to invest a BD player & hook it to PV8 knowing it is not fully utilised ??
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It really depends on how far you're sitting away from the screen. If you're having a 42", then you won't be able to tell the difference between HD-Ready and Full-HD from 9 ft onwards, even at 8 ft it will be difficult.


Added on September 30, 2008, 2:09 pmBTW, saw Hesstar brand 28" 16:9 CRT selling for RM388 at Homenet Bandar Puteri. Finally, a highly affordable CRT widescreen. smile.gif

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post Sep 30 2008, 06:06 PM

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Well, TVs can't downscale. They have to upscale SD sources to match their native resolution (1080 in your case). I'm afraid Astro is for sure going to look bad on Full HD LCDs. Best you can do is upscale Astro through a 1080p HDMI receiver or recorder. You'll see some improvement, but don't expect miracles. Astro is too highly compressed to start with.
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post Oct 3 2008, 01:02 PM

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No ISF-CC??? That's a real deal killer there... That's about the only advantage LG has over other makers. What, they think Malaysians are too dumb to ISF-tune their machines? vmad.gif

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post Oct 7 2008, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Oct 7 2008, 11:56 AM)
LX800 no backlight setting like Sony sad.gif what a piece of crap tongue.gif

Anyway, I agree with you Sony does has good black level for a LCD thumbup.gif
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You mean, Sony's Samsung panels has a good black level... whistling.gif
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post Oct 8 2008, 04:05 PM

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Well, I used the SD card slot and turned my TV into a 42" photo frame... smile.gif
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post Oct 8 2008, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(eddien4 @ Oct 8 2008, 04:12 PM)
beside the exterior look, hdmi terminal and sd card slot, is the CATS (Contrast Automatic Tracking System) make a huge different PQ on both model?
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The CATS will adjust the backlighting of your Plasma according to the ambient lighting. Useful if you're not too fussy about PQ (the default setting is Contrast 80), and have large variations in ambient lighting (eg Hall with bright sunlight daytime and very dim light at night). You can turn down the contrast but then it gets too dark at night. My mom loves the feature (gentle on the eyes). I just use Cinema mode (which doesn't activate the CATS) to deal with all lighting (better PQ).

Bottom line, CATS is useful if you can afford the extra couple of hundred bucks. But if you're really tight, you can live without it.
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post Oct 15 2008, 04:02 PM

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I doubt many Malaysians would care about "accurate" color reproduction. I'll bet you 99% of the man on the street would look at a perfectly-calibrated accurate colored set and say "why your high-end TV color so dull one-ah?, buy-lah Sony Bravia, color so nice...".

One man's meat is another's poison. Once you tune your set to your personal preference, almost any TV is going to look the same, cause you would have set it to look the same. smile.gif

After messing around with so many TVs, I'd say that all the TVs are very close together in terms of PQ, once you've tuned it a bit. So what's the deciding factor for me? Long warranty, baby. biggrin.gif

... and, err, good PQ of course...

but it was Panasonic's 5-year manufacturer warranty that did it for me. smile.gif
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post Oct 22 2008, 09:11 AM

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Plasma lovers, drool over Panasonic's 2009 PDP tech:

http://hdguru.com/ceatec-2008-the-hd-guru-...from-japan/298/

Also quoted from the article, to Pioneer fans waiting for their new LCD TV:

"Pioneer also provided a “first look” at its LCD “Kuro” models available in Europe. Three sizes were demoed, a 37”, 42” and 46” (pictured). Sourced by Sharp, the images were very unimpressive, and did not have the deep blacks that have made its plasma “Kuro” models some of the top rated HDTVs in the CE industry." sad.gif

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post Oct 23 2008, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Oct 23 2008, 10:41 AM)
no need to think much...panny rocks  flex.gif
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I second that. Best bang for your buck, especially if you're watching a lot of Astro on it. A 42" is the minimum you should get at that distance. Upgrade to a HDMI DVD player to bring new life into your DVD collection.
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post Oct 28 2008, 04:00 PM

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The thing is... Plasma TVs should be transported upright, never sideways. You do NOT want to put stress on that large 42" plasma glass and subject it to all the bumps of a road. If you accidentally crack that glass, no 5-year warranty is going to cover it.

Better to pay a bit extra and get the seller to transport to your house. If they break it on the way, you can ask them for a new one. You break it yourself... cry.gif
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post Oct 29 2008, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Oct 28 2008, 09:50 PM)
Hey one question for u tv technicians out there.

Today, I was told by one of the audio visual specialist here that the Panny Plasma does not upscale by itself. It only upconvert the astro signal. He suggested to go via Onkyo AVR 606 to really upscale to 1080p and the picture on tv will looks much better...............? Puzzle.....ture? I dont believe him. Better trust the sifus here to convince.
That's nonsense from that "specialist". ALL HDTVs upscale or they won't be able to fill the whole 720p/1080p panel with a 576i SD source. It's the quality of the upscaling that sets the various TVs and manufacturers apart. An external upscaler MAY be better than the internal one in your TV, but the only way to be sure is to actually test and compare BEFORE you buy it. In many cases, a good 480p component DVD is better than a cheap 1080p HDMI DVD. Your eyes are the only opinion you should trust. smile.gif


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QUOTE(elwwmatrix @ Oct 28 2008, 11:03 PM)
Oh BTW.Can i bother the sifu here to inform the suitable picture settings adjustment for my Panny LCD TV. Thanks!!!
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Whatever looks good to you. Seriously. There is NO single setting that will please everyone so you should set it to your own preference. Don't believe that only properly calibrated sets are "good" sets. Those settings are frequently too dull for the average Malaysian viewer who are used to "Sony" colors.

In general, setting your set to "Cinema" mode and "Warm" setting will get you closest to the 65K standard without much tweaking. It may however be too "yellow" for some folks. That's quite close to a calibrated set with just a few button presses.

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post Oct 29 2008, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Oct 29 2008, 01:30 PM)
Thats why I say I better trust the sifu here. Maybe has the marketing skill but not the technical skill  doh.gif

BTW, what do u mean by 480p component DVD to 1080p HDMI DVD? Do u mean the cable or the player itself....?

I set my Plasma tv to Standard and normal settings. I found the Cinema and Warm too yellowish and dull in its colour to my eyes. So, I still maintain this settings since day 1.
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Older DVD players have only component output, so can manage a progressive scan 480p/576p signal at best. Since there's very little processing done, the DVD is sent via it's original format through the (hopefully good) component cables into the HDTV where it's internal scaler will scale it to the TV's native resolution (720p/1080p). Component always looks good.

The latest HDMI players can upscale to 1080p (via HDMI cable), and so does all the upscaling and deinterlacing work for the TV. The advantage of HDMI is it's lossless and so, in theory, will be better the the lossy, analog component signals. However, much of the PQ depends on the quality of the processor in the player (as it has to upscale the original source using its algorithms). And cheap players have cheap processors, possibly even cheaper than the one in your TV. That's why not every external scaler will be better than the one in your TV.

To test which scaler is doing better, test both 480p and 1080p modes. If 480p looks better, your TV has the superior scaler. If 1080p looks better, your DVD player has the superior scaler.
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QUOTE(djdyks @ Oct 30 2008, 11:15 AM)
Anybody can guide me with the following questions ?
1) Best investment for a 32 inch Full HD 1080p LCD ?
2) Best investment for a 32 inch HD Ready LCD ?
3) Best investment for a 40/42 inch Full HD LCD / Plasma ?
4) Best investment for a 40/42 inch HD Ready LCD / Plasma ?
My viewing distance 8 ft - 10 ft
Currently Pionner HDMI DVD player with upscale function with Samsung 32" S81 LCD ... only can run 480p max
Thinking of upgrade TV and then BluRay later ...
Thanks for the help and guides !
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Just my personal peasant opinion smile.gif

1) Panasonic 32LZ800 (expensive) / Samsung 32A650 (cheaper)
2) Sharp 32D30 (good blend of PQ, design, sound)
3) Panasonic 42PY800 plasma
4) Panasonic 42PV80 plasma (the LYN champion!) / Pioneer Kuro 428 (best TV you can buy)
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post Oct 30 2008, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(djdyks @ Oct 30 2008, 02:18 PM)
Thank you so much for your recommendations and time.
If convenient  tongue.gif ... any idea of the pricing range ?  rclxms.gif
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PM iamsobloodysick or htkaki. You'll get good service and prices. smile.gif


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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 30 2008, 04:34 PM)
Not only that. PV80H comes with C.A.T.S. (Contrast Automatic Tracking System)
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CATS rock! I love the feature. smile.gif

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post Oct 31 2008, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(welwitchia @ Oct 30 2008, 06:24 PM)
Really? Is it the same as the one in PY800? Cause when I turn on Eco mode, everything sorta gets a bit too dim for my taste. I still prefer Cinema mode though.
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Turn "Power Save" mode OFF. This mode limits maximum light output and WILL make ECO mode really suck. It will seem a little dark at first but after a while your eyes will thank you. Also depends on where you light sources are. It ambient light is even throughout the room, it will perform okay. If you have light sources behind your TV, it will make your screen look dark. The point is the ambient light MUST be able to fall on the CATS sensor or it's no use.
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post Nov 10 2008, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Nov 10 2008, 02:15 PM)
Hi guys, can you guys recommend me a 26" of LCD TV? Which one is the best? I can't find any website that has the price list. Planning to get the LG? Or is there any better brand than this?
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Smallest new one now would be a 32". Some brands, IMO, are better than LG. What is your budget? 32" LCDs can range from 1.7k to 5k, depending on the features and picture quality. The Sharp 32D30 at 2.3k is generally a good buy, with good looks and features. The Panasonic 32LX800 has better features at 2.6k.
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post Nov 18 2008, 09:35 PM

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I watch my 32" LCD TV from 5' away and feel it's a little small. Sometimes I even sit at 4' away just to get a more cinematic effect. The purpose of a widescreen is to make it feel more like a cinema screen rather than a CRT TV. I'd go for a minimum 32" even in a small room. A number of our forumers put their 42" Pannys in their bedroom even. smile.gif

Once you boot up your first movie on a large screen and go WHOA at the size, you'll never return to a smaller screen. In fact, after a while, you'll always have the need to go bigger (hence the growing interest in HD projectors now).

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post Nov 19 2008, 12:28 AM

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Off-topic a bit, but anyone notice once you get used to your home theatre set, how crap our cinemas actually are? I watched Quantum of Solace in Sunway Pyramid and couldn't help noticing how low-resolution, yellow and dull the picture is. The black levels are awful to say the least. And the sound balance between the vocals, surround and subs were totally off. And I was sitting right smack in the centre of the cinema, the sweet spot.

I'm watching my movies at home from now on. smile.gif

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QUOTE(wildcandy @ Nov 19 2008, 02:53 PM)
hmm.gif  KLV-40S400A = Rm 2499 + PS3 = Rm 1099 = Rm 3598 .. issit a good deal.. ?
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Bloody good actually. Where are you getting this offer?

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