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 Apple says get ready for Sept. 9, lauch of new ipods? FW 2.1? discuss

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skyther
post Sep 10 2008, 12:22 PM

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^Ermmm... you obviously have the right to decline lah, but it doesn't really justify a full on lecture about piracy and self righteousness.

A legitimate copy of Windows XP retails for what... RM300? To a M'sian who earns RM4/hr working in a retail store that's a lot of money. Not everyone has that much expendable income. Every person here who runs a hackintosh is also in one form or another doing something illegal, wouldn't it be harsh to say that they should spend RM5k on a Mac just so they can familiarize themselves with OS X?

Honestly, if it weren't for piracy the technology uptake in M'sia would be so much lower than what it is now.
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post Sep 10 2008, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Sep 10 2008, 12:32 PM)
Notice I write about "songs and movies" not your favourite topic of OSes and their costs,which is the favourite point people like to use to justify themselves pirating. If you cant afford 99 cents for a song, or USD1.99 for a TV Show, then you're just making up excuses to pirate.

My rationalization is simple: If I cant afford it, I wont pirate it. You dont see me stealing cars when I cant afford a new BMW 3 series. Same case here. The only difference is, that this is virtual, and to some people, they dont see the value of staying legitimate on things that cannot hold physically.

Sure, piracy helps on technology uptake, but how many of those who had taken up technology and incorporate that into their lives and livelihood, shed those piracy coat they wore during those "desperate times" and went the legitimate way? More often than not, they still hang on and wear those "pirate coats" and "eyepatches" , even when financial outlook have improved to a point that it is possible to take things up legitimately. To them, there is no incentive to go legit because you can get the same (almost) when you pirate. Selfish much?
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Heh... piracy is piracy. Pirating software and "songs and movies" are essentially the same thing. unsure.gif I can afford and I have purchased tracks of iTMS before, but wherever possible I prefer to leech files off friends rather than to sit around and use up broadband quota downloading stuff that someone else already has. whistling.gif A 10GB quota shared amongst 11 people isn't exactly a lot... is that a fair enough excuse?

Secondly, not all tracks are available on iTunes plus, and personally I think 128kbps DRM'd AAC is pretty sh*thouse. Is iTMS even available in Malaysia?

There is a slight difference between stealing a physical, tangible item and piracy. By stealing you are depriving someone else of something that they have paid for, while the latter costs nothing to duplicate and only results in a potential loss of income for someone. It doesn't take away what they already have and isn't nearly as detrimental.

I do agree with the last point however, people do tend to hold onto bad habits. Blame that on the education system. Regardless of how morally correct you are, I doubt there's a need for you to be this harsh on others. wink.gif
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post Sep 10 2008, 05:54 PM

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TBH RM50 for 15 songs is kinda expensive. To the average American, 99 US cents is affordable.

You'd have to consider demographics when comparing costs. Here in Perth there's a chain of music stores that source CDs from mainly Asian countries, Malaysia included, because it's cheaper than sourcing the same material from local distributors.

Whatever it is, I'm not trying to condone piracy, all I'm saying is I can see a reason for it to happen especially in a country like Malaysia. It is however quite surprising how some of you can smugly make the claims you do; I'm willing to bet that most of you would have at one point or another obtained music illegitimately. I find it somewhat hard to believe that you would be able to fill up your 8/16/80GB iPods with nothing but legal material.

Just my opinion, I'm not out to flame anyone or shoot down anyone else's opinions.

And davidgary... my apologies if I offended you as an artist, hopefully you'll appeal to people out there who value your work enough to purchase it.


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post Sep 10 2008, 06:23 PM

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stringfellow I didn't mention you in particular, but others who have joined the strict anti-piracy bandwagon may have possibly somehow forgotten that they were once guilty of the very same crime. smile.gif
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post Sep 10 2008, 07:11 PM

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Well if I like a particular track enough that I am convinced I will listen to it time and time again in most cases I will purchase the album. There are certain things that I enjoy but can't get hold of legally, ie. anime and various other imported media.

I'd rather admit that I've done my fair share of piracy rather than be a hypocrite and adopt a "we support ori... end of story" kinda stance to things. As you mentioned, I think the aging part has a fair bit to do with it as well; somehow I don't see myself searching torrent sites in 10 or so years, but that obviously remains to be seen.

With TV episodes and stuff... personally I don't see a difference between downloading them off torrent sites and recording a locally aired broadcast onto a PVR. In most cases aired programs are sponsored by the broadcaster/advertisers anyhow.
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post Sep 10 2008, 07:46 PM

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How would you know if a series is to be aired in your particular country? Just as an example, I started watching Prison Break almost a year before the series debuted here.

I have no experience with with FCC regulations, all I know is PVRs and HD STBs are selling like hot cakes here. While this obviously doesn't necessarily prove that it's legal to record a broadcast it does show that it's a widespread practice that up till now has yet to be brought up as a major issue towards copyright infringement.

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