LoL..i always saw kids fighting outside of cc no matter in kl o subang. i dont really care about wining o losing anymore in dota. the most important is the time spent wit ur frens. few more year they probably would be too bz "jaga anak ord". btw these days most pub game i play is a LEAVER game, coz whenever my side is winning confirm the opponent got leaver. if opponent get better hero/i get newbie in my side, poor newbie leave the game. i find this kind of amusing. ppl brag like they are the king of dota yet when they are the loser, they leave. worst is some of my old classmate recomend me to play unofficial map/edited map .=.= what happen to the world xD