partly agree,partly disagree
agreed on anti-brute force,that is out of the mind.
disagree on people leaving freely,why:
if uve play dota long enough,i believe u know that we game by a set of rules
"the so called DOTA rules"which is set up by the MAJORITY of the dota community..where when u play,you dont leave as you like,you complete the game then u leave
unless you have a valid reason to leave..(at least inform all the opposition/allies thats the least u can do)
emergency leave?what are the odds?,well..im not saying theres no possibility..but the odds are low
mostly are leavers for real.
you dont leave a game and spoil the game for the remaining 9 players,thats selfish basket
must as well dont play

like i said and also silencestorm88
dota has become so popular that there are rules for it...these rules are made, brought and practised by MAJORITY of the dota players around us,when ure in a game, you finished it..thats the rules of it..simple as that
its hard for me to explain if u dont get what i mean,a TRUE dota player will only understand this
it has nth to do with the money thing....you dont see ppl scolding/fighting in other game such as fifa/counsterstrike/rpg games...except for dota in particular,get the picture?
to be honest,if i see people whacking others in DOTA with a valid reason,valid reason here means people that fail to live by the rules of dota....ill close 1 eye and and say...DAI SEI

the best point so far in this thread

excuse me bro,which part of my sentenced said....i assume ure a leaver?kindly highlight it out for me thanks.
no1: not everyone uses brute force....not everyone whack people
like i said i dont encouraged people to whack,but if it does happen for a valid reason....i would just close 1 eye
sometimes people got to learn things the hard way, it may be seen as "sometimes people have to do a lil bad to bring good thing for the others" if 1 unlucky person does get whack by a random people out there....it may serve as a reminder to those others that has similiar habit of leaving for fun,cocky in game etc etc
well,i personally just ignore when people just leave game...
others might whack...i dont know and i dont care
back to the same old point again,you wonder understand what i mean if ure not a true dota player and you dont live by the rules....no offence,but this point no longer debatable
and please,read my sentence pROPERLY b4 making your own assumptions....no hard feelings,but do read properly
to avoid any form of miscommunication THANK YOU

i also said in my previous post,you dont see people fight in other games like fifa/cs/cod4/etc etc
BUT only in dota,but WHY?and you nv figure out about the point on the other 9 players are PAYING AS WELL in the cc to play a fun dota game....imagine every game theres a leaver,when will a player every complete a game?
u can answer me?just forget it?and FRUSTRATE the other 9 just for the benefit of 1?what kind of sense is that?
you dont get my point,im making my statement from a MJORITY Point of view.
its like you enter a hospital bahagia...you found out that 1000 people are retard inside, and u are the only 1 that is not,now who is the retard one?my point here is...people are living by rules of dota....whether its ugly or not.people should respect it...BUT only true dota players will know how to live by the rules,a for fun seeking person would only treat it as a normal game,where they treat it like a fast food restaurant..come and go

you can treat cs/fifa/cod4 like a fast food retaurant..but not DOTA,why? why people are willing to whack ONLY in dota in particular...dont get me wrong,ive nv involved myself in any fights b4 in my entire life
you see people scold others NOOB,ALL THE BAD LANGUagES when people leave.WHY? must as well dont scold also?
all this key questions slowly generates the answer to what ure finding for but it doesnt lead u to a direct answer...i hope u can find the answer somewhere within

i dont know where u live or where u come from, that uve seen many fights,but not in my area
it does happen,but not often....maybe thats why you stand up so hard for your point
that i wouldnt know

as for your point,yea...you have a valid point that..true dota players wouldnt leave game
only new and inexperienced players would probably do so
thats why i say "only with a valid reason"
not everyone deserves whacking...
thus i would say,if newcomers were to get whacking,the assaulter are the guilty ones..that im with u

and so it comes to the conclusion...dont get me wrong okay,i dont fight nor whack people
but we live in a community that has different people with diff attitudes,characteristics....since its impossible to make everyone happy..thats why they say " dun accidently dak jui those people who can hurt you"
if its possible to make everyone think alike like you do.then this world will surely achieve world peace
theres something just ugly out there and its out of our,your control...
if you wanna talk about whacking,this dota-scenario will come last in the list,look at the world out there and ull know why
im just trying to have a good debate with u in this,no hard feelings ya

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 02:01 PM

Number One:valid reasons?i dont know,cause i dont whack..perhaps you should ask those that often whack instead of me?
people being to cocky in games? some people PURPOSELY changed nicks and doing the joinNleave game constantly?there are few other possiblities...but heck i know,cause i dont get myself involved in all these

No2: i have not seen any thou in my area,did it happened in malaysia?thats such a pity
but then again, what can you do about it?what can i do about it? release your anger here?if you can solve such problem..maybe you can go work for the anti-crime industry

No3:this is for you to find out,i dont have to type 101 reasons and list of who deserve to get whack and dont..do i?
and maybe you can go advice those assaulters in reality..that would help really much
i said it once and i said it again..i dont whack people

No4: yeap i do agree its a damn game,you have your point....my point is when u leave,u dont affect others much..the game goes on cause it doesnt involve a game that required 10 players to complete it..get it?
in dota once u leave,THATS IT..end of story,game spoilt..a new game

No5:i just notice..every point relates to one and another,you could find your answer for this point if u read carefully

FYI: the quote you made wasnt my complete essay,i submit moddfied post every 30 seconds..just to answer host..his essay is long

i dowan to repeat myself jor.
but looks like i have to....for the last time im gona say
i myself dont get involved in all this whacking thingy
perhaps u can ask those people that are into it,why they whack people..instead of asking me




ouch,straightforward and harsh...but then again no use u tell this to me
whether u like it or not...lets just say, some people out there who u refer them as retard prefers to use brute force when people fail to live by the rules when playing dota...thats the ugly or dark side of certain dota community and its not under my control. ull be the 1st to stop all this madness,your words here will inspire ppl to stop whacking,well i hope so...
im just explaining base on what i think,why are those particular "people" doing so
despite how much we debate here...only those that are involves can answer u "Why"

i dont know what other term to call these players...loyal?long term?serious?commited?real gamer?
your call
anyway it doesnt really matter right



well,yeap perhaps "certain" part of the community is like what you said,i couldnt argree more with that
but! not all

i guessed i didnt answer that part,yea im still considered wicked by supporting those violence
but i also said ill support if theres a real good valid reason
eg:being a countdown leaver or once the game starts he instantly leaves AND he does that again n again n again using different nicks
oh ive meet such people b4,and it aint funny
well of course i wont whack that particular person,but if others does
ill close 1 eye

unless ure saying its a sin to support such thing in the mind..then its my bad
not like ill go.."oh hell yeah..die die die"
not till that extend lar.
this u can call me retard or whatsoever for thinking this way

did i?i dont re-call changing any statement
maybe u can quote which sentenced i changed...at the bottom it will tell if i did changed =D

oh you mean the "dai sei" statement?
yea thats and honest statement from me
but its a very common word if u asked me

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 10:16 PM

you mean this?
sorry,your whole essay is kinda messy...so i dont even know which is your key points

if its not
ive already madee my last stand in my last post...now ive read your whole post,did u read mine?

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 11:02 PM

okay obviously u nv read my post well enough,im not saying u did not..but not clear enough
i nv said everyone deserves whacking..i only said "certain type of leavers" like i mentioned in my previous post
the act of constantly leaving for fun....did u read this?i assume u did not since u nv mentioned anything about it.
Is this sufficient to your understanding?u sound asthough ure putting words in my mouth asthough im saying everyone deserved whacking...read carefully,if you want to debate



likewise. if ure serious, ill also be serious..commitement in debate,you cant blame me for that
by opening this thread itself..you already mean serious discussion,dont you?otherwise u wouldnt even bother opening this thread
further ellaborting about the rules,you yourself is living by the rules.....i assume ure not a leaver with the way u stand up for yourself
WHY when people leave onlypeople start cursing bad words like cb,f***,noob etc etc? why dont they just ignore it,like you also said,ull be piss..its because people despise leavers and thats a fact
when i mentioned "so called rules" i dont mean real written rules BUT RULES PRACTISED by majority of dota players,and thats a fact.
its like a hidden rules that most of the long term dota community "pandai pandai tahu" its like in them already
people practised to stay in a game till the end...thats a fact.so u get the rules which i have been stressing?
if you dont know about all this,then i start to have doubts about u



this im not able to answer you,ure like asking me,why isnt everyone in this world smart,why are there stupid ppl
probably the best suited answer to your question is that
everyone is different,everyone has different attitudes,characteristics...values
thats what make us all unique

sport?i believe that wasnt mentioned by me...you need not ellaborate that much as that party aka silencestorm probably has no interest in debating

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Added on September 4, 2008, 12:29 amsince the 1st post i made..i mentioned valid reason
yes i nv deny i did mentioned that leavers should get whack,which post of mine stated that i denied?i dont mind u quoting me..for my mistake,just do it
but i justify what type of leavers..or what type of act should be punished
but u keep on mentioning leavers leavers leavers.
leavers can be classified into so many types..i stated which typed in my previous post...read it
zzzzzz

ill rest my case on this,if u continue to question me w/o reading my post carefull
ill give up

on 2nd thought i dont think this will end,im sure ure firmly holding your stand on nobody should get whacking
i differ a lil,i stress that i wouldnt mind certain retards in dota get whacked..thou i dont encourage it to happen
but ill respect and acknowledge your stand...game over
i damn lazy to post every 10minutes..u win lar..ive made any stand i possibly can make
the rest is for u to read and decide...

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 4 2008, 01:49 AM

i made my conclusion d.
call me supporter of violence or anything
i stick on my decision that i wouldnt mind,but i dont encourage
certain retards in dota community to get whack
but host and radkiller doesnt agree, they stress on no whack means no whack regardless of anything
thats fine,ill respect that....need not argue nor debate no more
the discussion here will lead to no where.
not like the discussion here will stop the community to stop fighting
as for the new-comers in this thread..chilaks,discuss steadily

how nice if everyone practices your "No No Leaver"
but thats like impossible

is the whole sentenced for me?or only the down part?i terasa funny cause if its directed to me,i dont see me changing any of my statement..im just further ellaborting on my part every time i post
ill assume that only the further down part is directed to me
no offence,by the way you make your sentenced.....of course u are a gamer,but probably not as commited....
IF I AM LOSING BADLY..i dont leave the game,i continued and play till the game ends,so you wanna respect me?
i dont need respect from you or anyone...cause im determine to end the game even if i lose or put it this way,
i follow the rules of the game whereby players are expected to stay and finish the game.
If i lose i lose,if i win i win..winning hard or lose hard is only part of the game,cant take losing hard?dont play.
ure like talking, for eg: a football team getting thrased by MU 9-0 and its only at the 50th minute...and the scoreline is likely to reach double figures
so u suggest the football match should end on the spot,because its pointless to continue?come to think of it,why dont they do so?precisely..rules,that people follow....

hmm,of course there is no written rules or anything
but its the trust,the believe,the practise that the dota community has created for dota.
im not creating this,but its a fact
its just like people hating leaver,scolding noob when people leave...etc etc
all these its not written,but its practised..
im not quite sure how to explain this to you
ermm...okay try this for example
im sure you do know what is backdoor, in dota
theres no such written rules like " you cant backdoor " but its understood among dota community that backdoor is somewhat againts the rules,not adviced to do so..or is being hated.
same goes for leavers..people hates them. put whacking asid, everyone hates leaver
and when everyone hates leaver...it somewhat becomes or creates a rule of anti leaver practise
does my explanation makes sense?
well,not to be bias in my post...in my area most people despise leavers...im not sure about yours
maybe different areas has diff believe



of course,we do know...ermm i supposed ure saying people get whack for this scenario as well?
no hell way~~ ive nv seen such thing happened b4



they changed nick everytime,especially if they know they did something wrong..but sometimes we can tell if that person had his nick changed



nice,proper and clear explanation.....but this you got to ask those that whacks people

i said violence with a valid reason on MY VERY 1st POST,but at that moment..i did not justify what valid reason
but i did so in the further on post i made..and in the last conclusion i made before u start coming in bombing everyone..i notice that after all my debate the conclusion is...i dont support and encourage violence but i dont mind it, with my very own valid reason



well,thats if u put it that way..but dont you think its not nice to look at it from a negative point of view?
i can put it in another way to right?
can they even discontinue playing?you explain asthough they can
ure right they might be demoralised...but you gain from losing,you may not win..but you gain experience,learn from mistakes n such instead of only wanting a game ure losing to end end end
and by learning you come back stronger, chong wei lost alright...but i can also say,chong wei may well have learn something throughout the game,he learned more about lin dan...his movements..and perhaps the next time they meet...it would be a different outcome,no?
indirectly it tells me ure the type of player that types "faster end game" when u play dota, but i dont,i guess thats what differs us...i prefer to take a lost in a positive way,instead of lost in negative way.



FYI,ive completed every single dota game in my life...even if im on the side that is losing badly
believe it or not,i nv leaved a single game before....not even once when i was a noob during my 1st timer
i guess this is another reason,why my debate has stand up this way
and that also a reason why ive improved in dota

i notice 1 thing
everyone has their own points,everyone is different and comes from different place
so its kinda bias,to say or think that if One knows everything
so no matter how much we debate here.....its hard to relate,compare analyze or to reach a conclusion
nobody is totally right,nor nobody is totally wrong...
come to think of it..this topic doesnt really lead us to no where

this thread is getting very stupid already
1by1 come in and post crappy things

do need the host of this thread to close it or require admin power?
predator where are you

i lazy to reply u d,cause i dunno which part of my post says ALL LEAVERS IS BAD
but somehow you managed to read that i mentioned all leavers are bad...i also dunno how
oh well,from past few post you have your pts..and i have mine,ill respect your decision
and when i mentioned crappy things...
i meant those ppl that come in and post 1to2 lines of irrelavent things and dissapear
but then u also terasa... i nth to say d
u win~~~

u should rephrase your setence to...because i disagree with u that certain type leavers branded by me are not bad
dont say all...can lead to misunderstanding
i really lazy to reply jor....u win lar,considered myself out of the debate

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 10 2008, 04:12 PM

likewise.