Ive seen quite a few posts about Fighting in Cyber-Cafe because of DotA...

Some cases about People Lunci/Scolding the oppenent during a DotA game that result a fight while some is about leaving a dotA game which made the opponent come and wack you up...



To me ... These people are extream SOHAI ... I know the people who lunci/scold you in game is wrong .. but why not just settle by scolding them back in game too?? why need to use brute force?? or better still ... just let it be...

But the worst case i think would be Idiots wacking people who leave game... I mean WTF!!! What if the leaver have emergency/important that forces them to leave game .... Even if the leaver leave just for the sake of leaving, he doesnt deserve getting wack too.. its not like they play in the cyber-cafe for free.. they PAID TO PLAY for GOD sake .. Why cant they leave as they like??? who are they to control you.... ARE THEY mentaly INSANE ??? These people should go to REHAB and they should be barred from playing dotA....



What you guys think about it... Please feel free to state your toughts......

Dotards are dotards. if you see one, just stick a knife into them so that they can't reproduce and have more dotards

They really deserve it if they really do that!

are you one of the leavers too?

1 word "Noob"

agree +1

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if they dont want this kind this happen .....just play with him friend ...dont play in cyber cafe ...(play with other unknown person) ....maybe him credit is finished or what then need to quit the game

1 word....just get loss la using brute force ...game nia also need like that

partly agree,partly disagree
agreed on anti-brute force,that is out of the mind.
disagree on people leaving freely,why:
if uve play dota long enough,i believe u know that we game by a set of rules
"the so called DOTA rules"which is set up by the MAJORITY of the dota community..where when u play,you dont leave as you like,you complete the game then u leave
unless you have a valid reason to leave..(at least inform all the opposition/allies thats the least u can do)
emergency leave?what are the odds?,well..im not saying theres no possibility..but the odds are low
mostly are leavers for real.
you dont leave a game and spoil the game for the remaining 9 players,thats selfish basket
must as well dont play

play enfo la or tower defense .....

never came across whacking because of leaving..but came across whacking becoz of lansi-ing

ppl nowadays..

Sore losers lah...
sometimes when i am winning the game, opponent leaves the game, and some of my teammates scold noob la, sohai la, this and that...
and i dont know what they will benefits from doing so...

the best part is, just play and forget it...meanwhile, the more you play, the more experience you will get..SO JUST PLAY !!!

Lol if lan c and kena whack serves them right
Dont act like a superhero in game but cant take the consequences in real life =)

Makes the RM 2.00 per hour worth it

Well, not all can swallow those provokes and harsh words easily,its just like sports, Its all about being sporting. for me it depends : -

Scenario 1:
If a guy sitting opposite me doing lcly things when owning + ugly face with fat a** + Scream loud with F*** words and annoying me when his hero got killed, this kind of ppl deserve to be beaten hard.


Scenario 2:
Kids playing Dota, screaming loudly when died or owning or in the middle of heat battle. Okay, some lecture will do, since they are younger.

Dotards.What you expect?

Most of them are just childish like hell.

Lose also want to whack people.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Sep 2 2008, 04:55 PM

DoTA nowadays is starting to become a kind of sport.

Thou shall respect the game.

Thou shall not be a noob.

Thou shall learn from mistakes.

When you are winning you can lanci, but you must have a limit. Control yourself.

When you lose and leave a game, you are not respecting the game. You should never to play it again

Actually people get angry when someone leave a game or spoil a game is because they felt not respected. People doing such annoying action SHOULD BE TAUGHT A LESSON.

This is a world of survival. The strong may bully weak ones. So live with it.......

Actualy ... i know that when people leave game ... its actualy annoying ...

but they paid the money to play ... they have the rights to play anygame they want , leave any game they want and do what ever they want ... what makes you the one who set the rules for him??? he doesnt owe you anything ...

Unless the warcraft3 Button in the CC there wrote [ For Serious player access only] then i got nothing to say ...


Just think about it ... If you hit someone who left a game ... the next day newspaper headline "Sohai Hits boy for quitting a game" ..... i ask you ... What the whole world would think??? the whole world would definately think that you are having a mental break down right???

Besides ... I wonder in court.. how the judge will penalize him ... when someone use brute force because hes being insulted ... maybe everyone would just think that he has a bad temper... but if someone uses brute force because the other guy leave game ... OMG!!!i realy got no EYE see... i wonder if he would use the word "the so called DotA rules" in court =.="""

This post has been edited by holypredator: Sep 2 2008, 07:51 PM

U must be 1 of the leavers who kena whack!!!
i 100% sure!!!!!!!!!!!
Dun say no cause its true!

like i said and also silencestorm88
dota has become so popular that there are rules for it...these rules are made, brought and practised by MAJORITY of the dota players around us,when ure in a game, you finished it..thats the rules of it..simple as that
its hard for me to explain if u dont get what i mean,a TRUE dota player will only understand this
it has nth to do with the money thing....you dont see ppl scolding/fighting in other game such as fifa/counsterstrike/rpg games...except for dota in particular,get the picture?
to be honest,if i see people whacking others in DOTA with a valid reason,valid reason here means people that fail to live by the rules of dota....ill close 1 eye and and say...DAI SEI

winning team LCLY until they say sth very very bad abt to ur parents = deserve whack

losers who quit becoz they cant play their fav hero, keep on getting killed, then leave = deserve whack

dun think only the leaver paying money and spendin time can do whatever they want, they are 9 OTHER PPL WHO ARE DOIN THE SAME THING TOO. (but if there is emergency then, too bad, leave and hope dun get whack)

winning team bullying in a game of 5v4, still LCLY, = deserve whack too, the remaining 4 didn leave game, still continue let u bully, and continue insult them noob or sth is just plain stupid..

This post has been edited by lynch: Sep 3 2008, 01:13 AM

the best point so far in this thread

Sport as in wrestling. Lols.

Im not a DotA leaver and i dint get wacked in CC for any reason ... Dont simply make assumption k?? Thank You...

I just want to debate about these DotA mental Porblem freaks....


As quoted in your message Mr.Quick....

1. "Youve said Its a rule for player not to leave game and it is practised by majority of the players." Yeah.. ok ... Its rule ... Then?? Why so serious??? I mean Its just a GAME for GOD SAKE!!!! and another thing... You are playing @ CYBER CAFE..... not @ WCG centre ..... After a match is end .. What did you Gain ??? Satisfaction???

In cyber... whenever people leave game, i would just forget it ... Why all the fuss.... and seriously ... Why wack them up??? Mr.Quick ... youve said till like DotA is the most important thing in your live... i belive you would wack someone up for leaving right???


2."you dont see ppl scolding/fighting in other game such as fifa/counsterstrike/rpg games" ... oh so you trying to say DotA made us became uncivilized freak??

3."if i see people whacking others in DOTA with a valid reason,valid reason here means people that fail to live by the rules of dota....ill close 1 eye and and say...DAI SEI" .... you are definately Sick to even say that .....

In Cyber .... whenever im owning .... i sure see leaver on the other side... it realy pissed me off ..... the most i do is in all chat says either f*** that noob or something .... i would never go to an extend of finding that guy and scold him or wack him up.....


Think about this ... In CC ... Serious DotA players .. or those with at least months of dota experience would most probably doesnt leave game .... Those leaver are most likely to be kids or those who play it without any experience in DotA ..... like any other games in the cyber computer .. there is no restriction to what they cannot play or do as they like... because the paid money for it ....


so... bottom line is ...DotA is just a game like the rest of the CS/COD/RPG games ... live WITH IT....


For you Mr.Quick ... you might say Dai sei to the fellow who kena wack .... but for me .... i would say Dai Sei to the fellow who whacks people ....

This post has been edited by holypredator: Sep 3 2008, 09:51 AM

well said, agreed...

its just a game, why must play til whack ppl...??

tunjuk Taiko or tunjuk samseng... totally uneducated brainless fool...

we are not born here for you to be whacked...

If people follows you...than the government would have a valid reason for banning all Cybercafes from ever opening again

Think b4 u post

Fighting is the next big thing after Maphack.

Last time they fight cause maphack. Now is attitude problem. What's next?

excuse me bro,which part of my sentenced said....i assume ure a leaver?kindly highlight it out for me thanks.
no1: not everyone uses brute force....not everyone whack people
like i said i dont encouraged people to whack,but if it does happen for a valid reason....i would just close 1 eye
sometimes people got to learn things the hard way, it may be seen as "sometimes people have to do a lil bad to bring good thing for the others" if 1 unlucky person does get whack by a random people out there....it may serve as a reminder to those others that has similiar habit of leaving for fun,cocky in game etc etc
well,i personally just ignore when people just leave game...
others might whack...i dont know and i dont care
back to the same old point again,you wonder understand what i mean if ure not a true dota player and you dont live by the rules....no offence,but this point no longer debatable
and please,read my sentence pROPERLY b4 making your own assumptions....no hard feelings,but do read properly
to avoid any form of miscommunication THANK YOU

i also said in my previous post,you dont see people fight in other games like fifa/cs/cod4/etc etc
BUT only in dota,but WHY?and you nv figure out about the point on the other 9 players are PAYING AS WELL in the cc to play a fun dota game....imagine every game theres a leaver,when will a player every complete a game?
u can answer me?just forget it?and FRUSTRATE the other 9 just for the benefit of 1?what kind of sense is that?
you dont get my point,im making my statement from a MJORITY Point of view.
its like you enter a hospital bahagia...you found out that 1000 people are retard inside, and u are the only 1 that is not,now who is the retard one?my point here is...people are living by rules of dota....whether its ugly or not.people should respect it...BUT only true dota players will know how to live by the rules,a for fun seeking person would only treat it as a normal game,where they treat it like a fast food restaurant..come and go

you can treat cs/fifa/cod4 like a fast food retaurant..but not DOTA,why? why people are willing to whack ONLY in dota in particular...dont get me wrong,ive nv involved myself in any fights b4 in my entire life
you see people scold others NOOB,ALL THE BAD LANGUagES when people leave.WHY? must as well dont scold also?
all this key questions slowly generates the answer to what ure finding for but it doesnt lead u to a direct answer...i hope u can find the answer somewhere within

i dont know where u live or where u come from, that uve seen many fights,but not in my area
it does happen,but not often....maybe thats why you stand up so hard for your point
that i wouldnt know

as for your point,yea...you have a valid point that..true dota players wouldnt leave game
only new and inexperienced players would probably do so
thats why i say "only with a valid reason"
not everyone deserves whacking...
thus i would say,if newcomers were to get whacking,the assaulter are the guilty ones..that im with u

and so it comes to the conclusion...dont get me wrong okay,i dont fight nor whack people
but we live in a community that has different people with diff attitudes,characteristics....since its impossible to make everyone happy..thats why they say " dun accidently dak jui those people who can hurt you"
if its possible to make everyone think alike like you do.then this world will surely achieve world peace
theres something just ugly out there and its out of our,your control...
if you wanna talk about whacking,this dota-scenario will come last in the list,look at the world out there and ull know why
im just trying to have a good debate with u in this,no hard feelings ya

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 02:01 PM

Man, I got to look out around CC for some interesting fights

There is so much fail in this post that I'm gonna dig myself into it...

Number one : What on earth is a valid reason for you to close one eye when people get whacked?? Seriously...if that one person was beaten just because he sucks at DotA...are u gonna beat him? If he leaves because there is a f-tard in the team that tells him to leave...are the others justified to whack him? Do you know how much negativity is involved in this? Do you realize that games has a negative image in front of parents? Are you aware of what WILL happen should this get leaked out into the public? Forget about DotA...every single game in this country will be banned thanks to the idiot who uses his fist to solve the problem.

Number two : Do I see people fight over other games? Answer is yes...there was a dude that was beaten up because of a simple CS argument that can be ended without fists...but the immature fools had to do it. And the person that got whacked was killed. Long ago story, look it up.

Number three :You say frustrate 9 other players because of one leaver? Have u ever think about that one player? If he is a noob, how is he going to play if he is getting blasted by his own teammates because he is a noob. Attitude problems among the teammates WILL cause him to leave and is that his fault? Its not. So should we whack him because the teammates are douchebags?

Number four : Why are there no violence among other games? Thats because those that play other games realise that IT IS JUST A DAMN GAME. You won't be a millionaire playing DotA at a CC so why pick a fight. The other gamers are mature enough to know that and I can't help but wonder why are Dotards such an unusual bunch

Number 5 : True DotA players? So by ur definition is that noobs are not allowed to play DotA at CCs???? What kind of idiocy is that??!?!? If u love the game, you are supposed to promote it instead of taunting noobs because they are new to the game? Only new and inexperience players will do so? Are you helping them improve themselves in any way? Swearing at them just gives them a negativity to the game. So why should they bother playing anymore since they will be berated throughout the duration of the game?

-End argument-

Number One:valid reasons?i dont know,cause i dont whack..perhaps you should ask those that often whack instead of me?
people being to cocky in games? some people PURPOSELY changed nicks and doing the joinNleave game constantly?there are few other possiblities...but heck i know,cause i dont get myself involved in all these

No2: i have not seen any thou in my area,did it happened in malaysia?thats such a pity
but then again, what can you do about it?what can i do about it? release your anger here?if you can solve such problem..maybe you can go work for the anti-crime industry

No3:this is for you to find out,i dont have to type 101 reasons and list of who deserve to get whack and dont..do i?
and maybe you can go advice those assaulters in reality..that would help really much
i said it once and i said it again..i dont whack people

No4: yeap i do agree its a damn game,you have your point....my point is when u leave,u dont affect others much..the game goes on cause it doesnt involve a game that required 10 players to complete it..get it?
in dota once u leave,THATS IT..end of story,game spoilt..a new game

No5:i just notice..every point relates to one and another,you could find your answer for this point if u read carefully

FYI: the quote you made wasnt my complete essay,i submit moddfied post every 30 seconds..just to answer host..his essay is long

Somehow seems like become a battle???

Oh well, in any event, beating up people is bad...
Even if a thief got into your house and you somehow manage to capture him, you cannot beat him, or you might get sue...

As for beating up people because of game, it's NOT LIMITED TO DOTA. This is a fact that you can't deny.
It's just that currently DOTA is kind of famous in most CC in Malaysia.
However, even before DOTA exists, the same things happen on CS, Starcraft, Half-life etc...

As for gaming moral, it's purely personal matters.
DO NOT PUT YOUR OWN MORAL ON OTHERS...
Yes, leaver makes the game hard to play...
But it also very much depends on the teammates...
If the teammates are strong, they can win the game...
I have managed to win a game with 2 leavers on my side, which means 3 vs 5.

When there is leaver:
Disadvantages:
You have one less hero at your side...
You will be harder to kill the enemy when gang...

However,
Advantages:
You got one less noob player for enemy to get free gold and exp...
You got one less noob player to farm the forest...


Of course in an almost equal match, one leaver means a lot more disadvantages than advantages.
But if it's an almost equal match, there isn't much reason for anyone to leave a game...

Waw... radkiller .... well said...

and thanks to shadow_0... ive just realize something .... but before that i just wanted to say ....

@Quick' - That post saying "dont simply assume that im ....." , that one wasnt refering to you actualy ...
and also ....

"sometimes people have to do a lil bad to bring good thing for the others" if 1 unlucky person does get whack by a random people out there....it may serve as a reminder to those others that has similiar habit of leaving for fun,cocky in game etc etc

Waw ... you definately one of the wacker or supporter of violence...




And yeah .. like what shadow_0 said ...

Usualy people leave game is because they are dying that they died so much they are a Feeder....

And teammate kept flaming him ..... I ask you ... Why should he stress, staying back and let teammate FLAME??? Its just a game... he could just simply leave ...

Anotherthing, when he leave, his teammate would get the benefit of Less 1 feeder and More money for them ...

Ok now .. lets seperate this into 2 cases...

1- He got wack by his teammate
2- He got wack by the opponent


For 1, i felt that wacking that leaver is RIDICULOUS .... i mean ... If he leaves... its a benefit to them ..so why wack him??? you cant wack him because hes a noob feeder.....

For 2, This is more stupid.... The reason that the opponent wack the leaver is because ... they must have never OWN before ...

It is imposible for someone to leave if he is winning... If he left when he is owning ... reason is definately he got emergencies.... and if kena wack by that ... 100% no word to say.....


SO.... conclusion is ... there is NO reason to wack a leaver....

Or better yet, there is no reason to wack anyone At all... Even people insult u in game ... after the game just forget it la ... Whats started in game Ends in game...

So Mr.Quick'....do you still think people have to do a lil bad to bring good thing for the others????

This post has been edited by holypredator: Sep 3 2008, 08:14 PM

It's because other game communities have ethics plus good game design where lack of one or 2 players wont make one side too imbalance.

DotA doesnt because it heavily replies on group work where it rarely work when you are working with 4 complete strangers.With a retarded community like you,the damn map is spoiled by people like you.

Seriously,the more i read this thread,the more i think DotA is only for noobs who cant handle RTS and have no ethics.Childish people.So what if a person is a newbie,do you all need to flame them and then beat them to shit?

There is no reason to beat up anyone,regardless on any situation.This shows how retarded is DotA community.How childish are you all.

Why so serious? It's just a damn game.Win or lose,you are still the same.Wont become instant millionaire or anything.

No wonder the government is going to ban games in CC."Thanks" to you all.

Dotards should just cut their balls off and stay at home so that they dont reproduce.

i LOL-ed hard at this..."TRUE DOTA PLAYER"

i dowan to repeat myself jor.
but looks like i have to....for the last time im gona say
i myself dont get involved in all this whacking thingy
perhaps u can ask those people that are into it,why they whack people..instead of asking me




ouch,straightforward and harsh...but then again no use u tell this to me
whether u like it or not...lets just say, some people out there who u refer them as retard prefers to use brute force when people fail to live by the rules when playing dota...thats the ugly or dark side of certain dota community and its not under my control. ull be the 1st to stop all this madness,your words here will inspire ppl to stop whacking,well i hope so...
im just explaining base on what i think,why are those particular "people" doing so
despite how much we debate here...only those that are involves can answer u "Why"

In short,it just show how immature,unethical and retarded DotA community in Malaysia.

I dont see anything good about DotA.

i dont know what other term to call these players...loyal?long term?serious?commited?real gamer?
your call
anyway it doesnt really matter right



well,yeap perhaps "certain" part of the community is like what you said,i couldnt argree more with that
but! not all

let me do some summarize, yeah bay beh the legendary is back !

what you said, if people get whacked you will not involved but in your mind you will said the person deserved to be whacked as they are not following some forbiden rules lulz

what they've said, people shouldn't deserved to be whacked regardless of what happened in the game

got it ?

so this is the question of deserve or not deserve to be whacked, IMO it shouldn't, why ? because all of us here is once a noob that we have forgotten =), come on, people leaving a game is normal, if you luck is good you get no leaver and you enjoy the game, if your luck is bad you get a leaver you can cursed about it but move on, to be honest if i found out my team is full of noobs and there's is no point to continue the game, i will leave the game too, cheers =P

maybe because you got no friends to play with, cheers =P

i guessed i didnt answer that part,yea im still considered wicked by supporting those violence
but i also said ill support if theres a real good valid reason
eg:being a countdown leaver or once the game starts he instantly leaves AND he does that again n again n again using different nicks
oh ive meet such people b4,and it aint funny
well of course i wont whack that particular person,but if others does
ill close 1 eye

unless ure saying its a sin to support such thing in the mind..then its my bad
not like ill go.."oh hell yeah..die die die"
not till that extend lar.
this u can call me retard or whatsoever for thinking this way

actually i found out that you slightly changed your statement, after you realize something =P

This post has been edited by nickisthemost: Sep 3 2008, 10:11 PM

did i?i dont re-call changing any statement
maybe u can quote which sentenced i changed...at the bottom it will tell if i did changed =D

oh you mean the "dai sei" statement?
yea thats and honest statement from me
but its a very common word if u asked me

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 10:16 PM

I have friends to play but it's just that overall community put me off from playing.

Besides,RPG gameplay just isnt my type,in general.

sorry to interupt...
let just say instead of dota...u now playing the game of life

your parent quit on you, your sibling quit on you,
your freinds, bf/gf, tutor...just say the world quit on you
wat you gonna do?...beat them up also?...

if no, y not?...cos they quit the game...
similarly in dota ppl just quit cos either they noob or watever reason
imo...jus rant it n let it go...

btw if ppl do follow rules there wont be so many crime happening either
so just have fun lo

So can i conclude this???

Theres no Reason for anyone to wack anybody because of dota... no matter if its leaver,insulter and others...


Oh yea .. eh Mr.quick' ... you dint read my post on why wacking leaver is stupid ah ???

My previous post ... i explained CLEARLY 100% on leaver doesnt deserve to be abused...


If anyone could tell me why Leaver should be abused [reallife-scolding,hitting.. etc]
i will gladly debate with you ^^

you mean this?
sorry,your whole essay is kinda messy...so i dont even know which is your key points

if its not
ive already madee my last stand in my last post...now ive read your whole post,did u read mine?

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 11:02 PM

No... thats not my main point on leaver ... my main point is with the font size enlarged.....


Yes .. i did read your post... you are like writing a report or something ... its long .. very long [definately longer than mine]


I know ur not the guy who wacks people up ... and i know your trying to say leaving dota is bad ... and also you are trying to say that altough you dont wack people ... you still support support them leaver getting wack[dont deny it.... cause 3 post from you showing your supporting .. but later on after getting quote by several poster... your statement is changing towards it]
and from what i see... you are realy taking this game serious dude... by mentioning about the Rules[dunno yes anot set by u] of it..

Actualy ... i just want to know ... why cant people realize DotA as JUST A GAME ... they are taking it way too seriously ....

some genious i saw here even call it sport ....i think it was silencestorm88

sport is defined "An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively."

Physical exertion. not mental exertion...... you dont sit in your butt clicking the mouse as SPORT.....

If you think DotA as a sport.....

so i guess when your Doctor advise you to be involve in more sport.... i think the 1st thing came in your mind was "Ok, Ill play dota 6hrs aday, 2hrs CS, 2hrs COD... i will definately become like Micheal Phelps..."

And when your Friend or PE teacher ask "what sports you play??"

So.. you gonna answer... "I play DotA, CS and also COD ... you can see me training hard at Cyber Cafe .... And some people even call me a professional DotA player"

This post has been edited by holypredator: Sep 3 2008, 11:45 PM

okay obviously u nv read my post well enough,im not saying u did not..but not clear enough
i nv said everyone deserves whacking..i only said "certain type of leavers" like i mentioned in my previous post
the act of constantly leaving for fun....did u read this?i assume u did not since u nv mentioned anything about it.
Is this sufficient to your understanding?u sound asthough ure putting words in my mouth asthough im saying everyone deserved whacking...read carefully,if you want to debate



likewise. if ure serious, ill also be serious..commitement in debate,you cant blame me for that
by opening this thread itself..you already mean serious discussion,dont you?otherwise u wouldnt even bother opening this thread
further ellaborting about the rules,you yourself is living by the rules.....i assume ure not a leaver with the way u stand up for yourself
WHY when people leave onlypeople start cursing bad words like cb,f***,noob etc etc? why dont they just ignore it,like you also said,ull be piss..its because people despise leavers and thats a fact
when i mentioned "so called rules" i dont mean real written rules BUT RULES PRACTISED by majority of dota players,and thats a fact.
its like a hidden rules that most of the long term dota community "pandai pandai tahu" its like in them already
people practised to stay in a game till the end...thats a fact.so u get the rules which i have been stressing?
if you dont know about all this,then i start to have doubts about u



this im not able to answer you,ure like asking me,why isnt everyone in this world smart,why are there stupid ppl
probably the best suited answer to your question is that
everyone is different,everyone has different attitudes,characteristics...values
thats what make us all unique

sport?i believe that wasnt mentioned by me...you need not ellaborate that much as that party aka silencestorm probably has no interest in debating

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Added on September 4, 2008, 12:29 amsince the 1st post i made..i mentioned valid reason
yes i nv deny i did mentioned that leavers should get whack,which post of mine stated that i denied?i dont mind u quoting me..for my mistake,just do it
but i justify what type of leavers..or what type of act should be punished
but u keep on mentioning leavers leavers leavers.
leavers can be classified into so many types..i stated which typed in my previous post...read it
zzzzzz

ill rest my case on this,if u continue to question me w/o reading my post carefull
ill give up

on 2nd thought i dont think this will end,im sure ure firmly holding your stand on nobody should get whacking
i differ a lil,i stress that i wouldnt mind certain retards in dota get whacked..thou i dont encourage it to happen
but ill respect and acknowledge your stand...game over
i damn lazy to post every 10minutes..u win lar..ive made any stand i possibly can make
the rest is for u to read and decide...

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 4 2008, 01:49 AM

As i said ... your term only "certain type of leavers" deserve wacking ... meaning you still support violence .. am i right??? u cant say that you hijack certain type of airplane only and says that your not a terrorist......

Anyway .... Certain type?? Can you explain more in detail which type??? as i mentioned in my earlier post ... No Leaver should get wacked ... no matter what leaver .... My earlier post with enlarge font size already stated What kind of leaver there is .. and also shown neither of any leaver deserve to get wacked....

If... your trying to say those who leave for FUN like CD leaver ... or havent played also leave .... Then It just plain doesnt make sence.......
1) The discussion is Assume leaver that doesnt involve CD leaver [these kind of leaver] ... as commen sence would tell you ... the discussion is about in a Cyber-Cafe ... not battlenet ..... I realy never come across people doing that at a cyber cafe.... in battlenet maybe .... But in cyber cafe... who want to waste money doing that?? theres realy no point in doing that.....
For this case ... if your trying to say he CD leaver /in game leave game...the most commen possibility is
1) The host start game without the usual countdown
2) Maybe he got friend want to join.. but host dont listen and just start game....

I think thats about what we trying to debate right?? because youve never mentioned about the others like insulting and stuff..... its morning 8 am .. and i gtg for work ... HEHE ... come back @ night only chat again...

no matter the reason or watever kind of leaver there are, no one should be beaten.

continue this violence and u gonna see this headline "Malaysia Government bans Warcraft3" - and we are gonna be a hell of a laughing stock.

oh yes, btw - dota is a custom map in warcraft3, im sure some dotard is unaware of this.

This post has been edited by Ihsengale: Sep 4 2008, 08:32 AM

You just don't get it do you.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF LEAVER YOU ARE. NO ONE DESERVES TO BE WHACKED BECAUSE OF IT.

No ifs, hows, or buts

Whacking is wrong...regardless of whether or not he leaves with/without a valid reason

i am here to back quick

i somehow agree with him that some people really deserve to be wack.
some1 say in a post that if 1 thief comes into your house you shouldent wack him?
wat if he come in wif weapon and may harm ur family. i will say wack him till death.

same goes and some motor n car that likes to boom thier engine with annoying noise.
i wont pity them if they were caught in accident

i understand that there is no need to wack a person juz cos he leaves a game.
but if the person lanci liao then asking for fight.
when i see him get wack i will surely wont pity him too.(doesnt mean i support violence , i will juz say dai sei.)

i agree with quick that u see less fighting in other games but for dota cos after leaver,u got more often of disadvantages then advantages.

some 1 also say dota is more like a sports now.(partly agree)
u even see footballers fighting with each other during match.
but if u wanna play dota . then pls have a game moral.
for watever reason try finish the game .
either by wining it or losing it.

it doesnt matter is u are a noob or newbie that feed.
by leaving a game when u get kill doesnt make you improve as a better player
u learn from getting kill. oni u learn how not be get kill and then oni u can improve

what measn by true dota player.
i think what it means there is game spirit.
when u watch football.
if a team get wack 5-0 b4 half time.
can they say they give up playing 2nd half and walk away?


its bad to be have a game leaver , but if that really happen ,
then juz tell urself that this player will forever be a noob player wont wont improve ever
pity on him.

but it is not nesseary for you to wack him.
if u wack him cos he leave dota then u are nothing better then him.
but i believe there is exception. .etc he insult ur family.(this a cannot tolerate)
then this guy deserve to be wack
by the means of giving him a lesson.
some people really learn the hard way.

its juz my comment so dun flame me like u ppl flame quick

This post has been edited by simonyw_87: Sep 4 2008, 11:13 AM

people who has no respect for this game shud be shot dead in the public.

not only in dota ..ppl are whacking each other ..in other online games also such as RO ..ragnarok online...

i got heard from my fren that inside the game they lancing ppl and in the real world they come out fight ..wth!!

inside the game already fight so hard to prove who is strong in real life also wan to fight ..aiyoyo ..

go join wrestling la ...fight until death la ..

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Added on September 4, 2008, 12:14 pmthen we will see everyday in newpaper that ppl are dead because of leaving game ....


This post has been edited by ederick: Sep 4 2008, 12:14 PM

Lets put this argument to rest people...I've had enough of the trolling...Fights at cybercafes are not caused by DoTA. They are caused by the people playing it that are either mentally unstable or just down right bad mannered and dont know how to behave.

Its not a trait about the game...but the players...It is unfortunate that there are so many idiots playing DoTA. As much as I dont like DoTA from a gameplay perspective...i feel it has gotten a bad rap for the attitude of the players. Oh yeah and also the lack of gaming knowledge of most of these players also adds to it.

So please be civilised. Have fun and dont be too serious...

End of story and i hope this thread too...

coz argueing over this stupid thing is pointless.

it makes no sense and serves no purpose.

LOL ...

Simonyw_87 ....



Yeah... another violence supporter .... But what your example got to do with DotA??? If a thief comes to my house ... of course i wack him ....In law ... the thief would get punished anyways .... You are trying to say Leaving DotA game is againts the law ??

If violence continues ... sooner or later Everyone wont even have chance to play at cyber anymore when government closed it down .... Luckily for us ... those people who got wacked usualy wont go make the matter big by reporting to the police ....The government already enforce a rule to not allow school kids and after midnight cyber operation ... because??? someone actualy died getting wack in cyber ...

No wonder i saw parents these days extreamly discourage thier children to hang out at cyber cafe ....




Yes ... i agree that those people who lanci is trying to provoke the wacker .... but if the wacker cannot take it ... i suggest that he dont live in this world .... Unless he is a Bai Ga jai where parents dam rich that they are boss of the company .... Other than that .. they would definately work under people .... and i tell you .... Theres no such thing as BOSS never scold you before in your working life .....






As mentioned In my previous post ..... There is no reason to fight Over Leavers .... To show you again ... i repaste my statement ...


Ok now .. lets seperate this into 2 cases...

1- He got wack by his teammate
2- He got wack by the opponent


For 1, i felt that wacking that leaver is RIDICULOUS .... i mean ... If he leaves... its a benefit to them ..so why wack him??? you cant wack him because hes a noob feeder.....

For 2, This is more stupid.... The reason that the opponent wack the leaver is because ... they must have never OWN before ...

It is imposible for someone to leave if he is winning... If he left when he is owning ... reason is definately he got emergencies.... and if kena wack by that ... 100% no word to say.....





Dai lou ... you serious anot to use these kind of examples .... as you said ... when We watch football ... so i presume u say Premier League or international football ...
Its a competition.... you wont see leaver at WCG also right ... and the DotA we talking about here is CC dota .. not WCG ...

You go see the field there ... those football kaki who play for fun one .... Do you see people say " oi .. tak boleh pergi" altough they are tired or have reason to leave...

Dam ... how to say you adi ah =.=""
You say wacking people if he insult your family[in game... or even in real life] is a sure must and cannot be tolerated right???

Then why dont you think that ... if you wack him for insulting your family ... your no better than him??? you will be catagorize as the same uncivilized people like him ... Or even worst because you put a hurt on him ...

Moreover ..... The stupiest thing is ... if he scold your mum is a B*tch or scold your dad is a useless peace of shit ..... and you wack him up ... that just means that you admited that your mum is a B*itch or your dad is a useless peace of shit ... Make sence right????


Hope you understand ... peace ...

Yeah, me. I've been keeping and eye on this thread though i haven't made a reply. Pointless to argue. Your attitude right now speaks of how you may react when playing in the cybercafes. In fact, it speaks volumes about potentially how a DoTA player would react if cornered. Or even in an argument like now.

Give that attitude a rest. I don't like it and probably so do the rest. You're just reinforcing the stereotype.

This post has been edited by Aoshi_88: Sep 4 2008, 01:36 PM

Why not just walk away from the computer without quiting the game

cos some1 say no matter wat also cannot wack a ppl even if is a thief that come in ur hse.
but i scare if the thief comes to ur hse,u will see law punish him up above.


ok ,then let say normal game.
when u come play we have expectation rite
in dota we expect the game to be finish.
if u ajak fren play football ,my expectation wil be example play for 1 hour.
but play 10 min my opponent 1 by 1 say wan go bc?
play with ghost a?

did i say wack him if they scold my family?
if yes then my apologies .
what i means here is i cant tolerate ppl that in an arguement
they dun talk bout the matter or lose in arguemrnt then start bring in ppls family.
i say i tulan dint means i go wack ppl.


but i wan stress tat u get leavers no matter in net game or cc game
juz take it easy. cos we really got nothin can do
jus no body likes a game with leavers.

whether leavers deserve to be wack?
no they dont.
ppl that get wack is not cos they are leavers but other reason on top of being leavers.

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Added on September 4, 2008, 2:00 pmhave to agree with you.
in both situation also really stupid to wack him

but is those ppl that get wack is cos this 2 reason?
i dun think so la...


in ur case 1,i think he will most properly get wack by team mate is cos he feed liao then dun wan leave.haaahh..jk oni

in ur case 2, mayb he provoke the other side to come wack him.i duno juz guessing.

but ...cos all ppl know there is possibilities of getting wack if u leave in cc.
make it lesser ppl leave in cc games
if i get same amount of leavers in cc and also net.
y not i stay at home play?
we come cc cos we expect cc players to at least have gaming spirit.
so that every1 have 1 good game and have fun.

people that have urgent need n have to leave.= forgivable. pity him if get wack
people that join game n leave game for fun,enjoy spoiling ppls game= i wont wack him, but i wont pity him if he gets wack by ppl.

This post has been edited by simonyw_87: Sep 4 2008, 02:01 PM

as mentioned before, your reasoning here reflects your mentality. the ultimate point is, in a game there's no point in hitting the other player. to the fella who used football as an example, did you forget that in football you get a red card for fighting? so yes, go ahead and fight if all you want to do is ultimately go to jail. the problem here is your attitude that condones violence (the whole "if he gets whacked who cares" thing). even if you dont whack anyone, you condone violence by actively letting it happen.

even if they leave, or tell you your mother is fat, or cucuk you on the highway with his car, or whatever, the point is it takes a bigger man to ignore the moron. by stooping to his level and hitting him just shows your level of maturity. none of what he's doing is a real crime per say, or is actively harming you. but if he fights, by all means defend yourself, and sick the police on him. thats what the law is for, after all.

This post has been edited by strife_personified: Sep 4 2008, 02:11 PM

Oh god ... where do i begin ... Wheater i say or they say "No matter wat also cannot wack a people" means No matter reason .. you cannot wack the DotA player .... DotA PLAYER .... we are talking about DotA in CC here ...

NOT NO MATTER WHAT ALSO CANNOT WACK A PEOPLE FOR ANY OTHER REASON

It would be ridiculous if you dont wack a person that did something serious to your family[raped your sister/killed you family members] .....




Yes .. We do have expectation when we play football ... But what if the fellow tired ... what if he got to go ... what if he thinks that he is not giving enough to the team and is expected to leave .... Would your friends WACK him up??? i dont think so lo ... WHY??? Cuase its just a friendly FOR FUN game only lo

Unless you say Call UP for a serious Match between Teams then its another thing ... But still ... Who says the opponent cannot leave??? If they leave ... is automaticly consider victory for you lo ... dont tell me they leave u go wack them up ah.....

Please dont relate it to International Friendly match like Man Utd VS Malaysia these kind of thing ... Because its another matter...






Uhm ... according to this .... Yeah ..you SERIOUSLY DID SAY THAT ....

And in your latest post ... you say you cant tolerate .... so ... your cant tolerate is to what extend... you cant tolerate and u wack him ... or you cant tolerate and u scold him ..... You cant say you cant tolerate and just walk off .... unless you dont know what tolerate means....


I tough your earlier statement was



uhmm ...

ZZZ...

I guess you misunderstood my statement.

I said, you can capture the thief, but you cannot wack him AFTER YOU CAPTURED HIM.

If you happen to beat him, hit him with anything in order to:
1, Capture him
2, getting back your stuff
3, Defending yourself.

It's legal.


However, after he is being captured (being tied up or something).

If you beat him, you will get sued for injured people.
If you killed him... sorry, you will get sued for murder.

But what you wrote earlier realy means otherwise......

Yes ... of course i would say after he is captured ... you shouldnt wack him ..

1st... he already capture ... still wack him for what =.=
2nd ... you get sued for that ...


But after i saw your this reply ... i dont get how you gonna relate this to the topic we discussing now....

Hm...

Well, just want to emphasize wacking people is bad...

hehe ..... i like it when people change thier mind after an arguement ^^

refers to the 2nd group .
cos is SOME ppl, and not ALL leavers

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Added on September 4, 2008, 2:35 pmya... wack ppl is bad.

but depend on ur intention

a small wack can teach some1 a lesson sometimes.

but never with the intention of getting ppl injured .

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Added on September 4, 2008, 2:37 pmo....then sory then.
misunderstood u.


This post has been edited by simonyw_87: Sep 4 2008, 02:37 PM

EH WAIT .... simonyw_87 and shadow_0 ... is 2 differnet FELLOW

Which means .. Ive been combining both Quotes to became 1 !!!! ... no wonder i got mixed up later than ....

sorry shadow_0 ... wasnt aware of that =.=

lol

That's explains...

after reading posts from page 1 to here... i can see a lot of immature posts...
after seeing mah AS boyz coming into this thread... i guess i'll come in to tell u guys something...

yes... nobody has the right to bodily injure a person no matter who they are... be it leaver or noob... if u do that over a game, ur just behaving like a kid... let alone set a bad example to the younger ones...

i see someone said "certain leavers" deserved to be whacked... again let me state this...
no matter who "certain leavers" is... leavers are still leavers... they still don't deserved to be whacked over a silly game...

think of it this way... a cancer in ur body... no matter how big or how small ur cancer is... cancer is still cancer... it's a threat 2 ur body... so wat u do? u go c a doctor to remove the cancer...

and plz dun use other examples other than dota cases examples to compensate ur points... u guys are like comparing apple to orange...
if u wanna use examples... compare apple to apple...

Mr. simonyw_87 .... your kidding right??? tell me you were joking since from the start of your 1st post here ....
because the more i read .... the more it doesnt make sence .....



So .. you trying to say Wack people is bad ... but at the same time

you agree that some people really dserve to be wack .... so which means you like to be bad right???



And another thing .... a small wack can teach some1 a lesson ... but never with the intention of getting people injured.... ARE YOU SHITTING ME???

1st of all WHAT LESSON??? You wack him up and tell him "YOU BETTER DONT BE NOOB FEEDER next TIME!!"???? so the next time he will becomes a pro ????

And ... never with the intention of getting people injured??? You seriously ok anot????

According to what youve said .... the scene would most probably be like this

Wacker : "Leave game is bad bad... Koh Koh must teach you a lesson k?? give u a pat pat in the butt....."


Seriously ... What kind of wack that doesnt injured you ....

only kids will compare deserve to be whack dota leavers with thieves lulz

man,it's just a game...it is damn stupid if u get whack get bcoz of playing a game man..if that happens,the game should be ban to avoid any more trouble..u see,if a game can make people fight,then what is going to happen to this world..they are just unethical and don't have respect for others..common guys,it's just a game..have some moral and educate ur self guys..a game should be game to be played by everyone with their own whatsoever...stupid game !!!

What do you intend to teach him? That violence can solve the problem? That DotA players are intolerant bastards that whack people up because they themselves are too pro to even teach a noob?

Seriously....what the f***?

i made my conclusion d.
call me supporter of violence or anything
i stick on my decision that i wouldnt mind,but i dont encourage
certain retards in dota community to get whack
but host and radkiller doesnt agree, they stress on no whack means no whack regardless of anything
thats fine,ill respect that....need not argue nor debate no more
the discussion here will lead to no where.
not like the discussion here will stop the community to stop fighting
as for the new-comers in this thread..chilaks,discuss steadily

ok...when i say some people deserve to be wack.
i dont means leavers k,dun get me wrong
i say i somehow agree that some people really dai sei and deserve to be wack.


and i belive cc fight is not like 1 person go find the leaver n wack.
mostly is 2 group of people they argue so much is match then 2 ppl fight
who so free go cari gaduh ?

topic start when we say ppl fight in cc. for diff reason. being leavers mayb 1 of the reason.
but later is a debate where izit leavers deserve to be wack??

but...
have u all experience some people that make you feel that you wanna wack him? but u dint ?
juz that if he gets wack by other ppl . i wont pity him n say he is dai sei.

mayb u all are lucky that people around you all are very nice people.

really duno how to say to you all la.

This post has been edited by simonyw_87: Sep 4 2008, 07:33 PM

Yeah,it's just show that how immature Dotards are.

There is no reason to beat someone up for a game.

It's just a damn game.Why so serious?

If that guy has attitude problem,just make sure that he dont play with you next time.Dont have to resort to violence.

Lolz. Looks like this thread is becoming more serious and serious.

If people leave, just accept the fact and carry on the game or suggest to remake.

By whacking people you'll only get yourself embarrass only.
Somemore higher possibility to get police involve.

Fed up with leavers? Change to other games. Don't get too serious till fight.

k guys... seriously u all need to chill...
jus ignore those who supports violence...
it's pointless to preach to them bcos they r just as stubborn as a mule...

let them do what they like... bcos at the end of the day they'll reap what they sow...

I feel free.

There are 2 parties: The Whacker, and The Leaver.

1st NO-NO: Whacker must not whack, whatever reason it is, it's wrong to start a fight. Unable to control your emotion is not a reason, it's an excuse.

Since the Whacker has such an obvious wrongdoing, he doesn't deserve any debate. He is wrong.

Now comes to the 2nd NO-NO: Leaver should not leave. Why?

1) If you sucked and losing the game, deal with it. You don't learn if you leave like that. Grow up and get matured.

2) If you sucked and your team is cursing you, deal with it. Live with the fact that you sucked, else train more, and you don't train yourself how to leave a game just because you sucked. Again, grow up and get matured.

3) You don't care if others pay to play, then you have to accept the fact that others don't care you pay to play too. So who's paying to play is not a reason to argue about.Remember this.

4) I don't agree with some who said that it's just a game, don't be serious. You don't generalize that quote to every game. Unless you're playing against the AI or 'The-Most-Not-Serious-Player-Wins' sort of game, you should be serious. Serious in terms of sportsmanship, not personal. By not having a serious sportsmanship mindset, it's a disrespect to others and a disgrace to yourself. Take an example in a football match, a player can be serious in tackling another player or serious in tackling the ball. It made the difference between getting a successful tackle or getting a red card.

5) If you really have an emergency, which I don't buy it at all because it's the rarest of reason, you've to figured out a way to leave properly, and not just leave like that. Find someone who's standing or not playing around you, kindly ask them to take your place as you've paid for it. I'm sure there is always someone who's willing to play. If he leaves after you, that's another case.

6) And finally, if you are on pre-paid game and your time is almost up, do not, I REPEAT, DO NOT join a multiplayer game. This reflects your ability to think as a matured person and not just some 'ah-who-cares? spoiled kid'. Either you topup your pre-paid to finish a game that you joined, or don't join at all. Do something else. Not realizing about that your time's up means you have time-management issue, it's not a reason, it's an excuse.

Maturity is what separates true-gamers from noob-losers. Not skills, not levels.

how nice if everyone practices your "No No Leaver"
but thats like impossible

Not everyone can practices. That's correct. That's why we have matured gamers and noob gamers.

I playing DOtA for about 5 years now... I always playing at internet and CC also..

at this cc that i always playing with, the players there are pro and always LCYC when winning a game, but they never whacking ppl if got leaver or got some arguement in the game.. its just their mind has already set wat in games will settle in game..

and in this 5 years of playing DOtA(im pretty sure that i m pro myself), just now i noe about this so call rule that i read in this thread, dont get too serious in DOtA man.. it is kind of addictive and can be bad for some people that cant control themself..

if you want to get serious, get serious in study or in work.. not just in this minority game.. u think u can earn money for winning huh?!!
GAMES ARE MADE TO RELIEF STRESS NOT ADDING MORE STRESS IN YOU

OK thread closed

good say ,good say

Finally see some mature post here. Where's that TS? Close thread please.