Sport as in wrestling. Lols.

Im not a DotA leaver and i dint get wacked in CC for any reason ... Dont simply make assumption k?? Thank You...

I just want to debate about these DotA mental Porblem freaks....


As quoted in your message Mr.Quick....

1. "Youve said Its a rule for player not to leave game and it is practised by majority of the players." Yeah.. ok ... Its rule ... Then?? Why so serious??? I mean Its just a GAME for GOD SAKE!!!! and another thing... You are playing @ CYBER CAFE..... not @ WCG centre ..... After a match is end .. What did you Gain ??? Satisfaction???

In cyber... whenever people leave game, i would just forget it ... Why all the fuss.... and seriously ... Why wack them up??? Mr.Quick ... youve said till like DotA is the most important thing in your live... i belive you would wack someone up for leaving right???


2."you dont see ppl scolding/fighting in other game such as fifa/counsterstrike/rpg games" ... oh so you trying to say DotA made us became uncivilized freak??

3."if i see people whacking others in DOTA with a valid reason,valid reason here means people that fail to live by the rules of dota....ill close 1 eye and and say...DAI SEI" .... you are definately Sick to even say that .....

In Cyber .... whenever im owning .... i sure see leaver on the other side... it realy pissed me off ..... the most i do is in all chat says either f*** that noob or something .... i would never go to an extend of finding that guy and scold him or wack him up.....


Think about this ... In CC ... Serious DotA players .. or those with at least months of dota experience would most probably doesnt leave game .... Those leaver are most likely to be kids or those who play it without any experience in DotA ..... like any other games in the cyber computer .. there is no restriction to what they cannot play or do as they like... because the paid money for it ....


so... bottom line is ...DotA is just a game like the rest of the CS/COD/RPG games ... live WITH IT....


For you Mr.Quick ... you might say Dai sei to the fellow who kena wack .... but for me .... i would say Dai Sei to the fellow who whacks people ....

This post has been edited by holypredator: Sep 3 2008, 09:51 AM

well said, agreed...

its just a game, why must play til whack ppl...??

tunjuk Taiko or tunjuk samseng... totally uneducated brainless fool...

we are not born here for you to be whacked...

If people follows you...than the government would have a valid reason for banning all Cybercafes from ever opening again

Think b4 u post

Fighting is the next big thing after Maphack.

Last time they fight cause maphack. Now is attitude problem. What's next?

excuse me bro,which part of my sentenced said....i assume ure a leaver?kindly highlight it out for me thanks.
no1: not everyone uses brute force....not everyone whack people
like i said i dont encouraged people to whack,but if it does happen for a valid reason....i would just close 1 eye
sometimes people got to learn things the hard way, it may be seen as "sometimes people have to do a lil bad to bring good thing for the others" if 1 unlucky person does get whack by a random people out there....it may serve as a reminder to those others that has similiar habit of leaving for fun,cocky in game etc etc
well,i personally just ignore when people just leave game...
others might whack...i dont know and i dont care
back to the same old point again,you wonder understand what i mean if ure not a true dota player and you dont live by the rules....no offence,but this point no longer debatable
and please,read my sentence pROPERLY b4 making your own assumptions....no hard feelings,but do read properly
to avoid any form of miscommunication THANK YOU

i also said in my previous post,you dont see people fight in other games like fifa/cs/cod4/etc etc
BUT only in dota,but WHY?and you nv figure out about the point on the other 9 players are PAYING AS WELL in the cc to play a fun dota game....imagine every game theres a leaver,when will a player every complete a game?
u can answer me?just forget it?and FRUSTRATE the other 9 just for the benefit of 1?what kind of sense is that?
you dont get my point,im making my statement from a MJORITY Point of view.
its like you enter a hospital bahagia...you found out that 1000 people are retard inside, and u are the only 1 that is not,now who is the retard one?my point here is...people are living by rules of dota....whether its ugly or not.people should respect it...BUT only true dota players will know how to live by the rules,a for fun seeking person would only treat it as a normal game,where they treat it like a fast food restaurant..come and go

you can treat cs/fifa/cod4 like a fast food retaurant..but not DOTA,why? why people are willing to whack ONLY in dota in particular...dont get me wrong,ive nv involved myself in any fights b4 in my entire life
you see people scold others NOOB,ALL THE BAD LANGUagES when people leave.WHY? must as well dont scold also?
all this key questions slowly generates the answer to what ure finding for but it doesnt lead u to a direct answer...i hope u can find the answer somewhere within

i dont know where u live or where u come from, that uve seen many fights,but not in my area
it does happen,but not often....maybe thats why you stand up so hard for your point
that i wouldnt know

as for your point,yea...you have a valid point that..true dota players wouldnt leave game
only new and inexperienced players would probably do so
thats why i say "only with a valid reason"
not everyone deserves whacking...
thus i would say,if newcomers were to get whacking,the assaulter are the guilty ones..that im with u

and so it comes to the conclusion...dont get me wrong okay,i dont fight nor whack people
but we live in a community that has different people with diff attitudes,characteristics....since its impossible to make everyone happy..thats why they say " dun accidently dak jui those people who can hurt you"
if its possible to make everyone think alike like you do.then this world will surely achieve world peace
theres something just ugly out there and its out of our,your control...
if you wanna talk about whacking,this dota-scenario will come last in the list,look at the world out there and ull know why
im just trying to have a good debate with u in this,no hard feelings ya

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 02:01 PM

Man, I got to look out around CC for some interesting fights

There is so much fail in this post that I'm gonna dig myself into it...

Number one : What on earth is a valid reason for you to close one eye when people get whacked?? Seriously...if that one person was beaten just because he sucks at DotA...are u gonna beat him? If he leaves because there is a f-tard in the team that tells him to leave...are the others justified to whack him? Do you know how much negativity is involved in this? Do you realize that games has a negative image in front of parents? Are you aware of what WILL happen should this get leaked out into the public? Forget about DotA...every single game in this country will be banned thanks to the idiot who uses his fist to solve the problem.

Number two : Do I see people fight over other games? Answer is yes...there was a dude that was beaten up because of a simple CS argument that can be ended without fists...but the immature fools had to do it. And the person that got whacked was killed. Long ago story, look it up.

Number three :You say frustrate 9 other players because of one leaver? Have u ever think about that one player? If he is a noob, how is he going to play if he is getting blasted by his own teammates because he is a noob. Attitude problems among the teammates WILL cause him to leave and is that his fault? Its not. So should we whack him because the teammates are douchebags?

Number four : Why are there no violence among other games? Thats because those that play other games realise that IT IS JUST A DAMN GAME. You won't be a millionaire playing DotA at a CC so why pick a fight. The other gamers are mature enough to know that and I can't help but wonder why are Dotards such an unusual bunch

Number 5 : True DotA players? So by ur definition is that noobs are not allowed to play DotA at CCs???? What kind of idiocy is that??!?!? If u love the game, you are supposed to promote it instead of taunting noobs because they are new to the game? Only new and inexperience players will do so? Are you helping them improve themselves in any way? Swearing at them just gives them a negativity to the game. So why should they bother playing anymore since they will be berated throughout the duration of the game?

-End argument-

Number One:valid reasons?i dont know,cause i dont whack..perhaps you should ask those that often whack instead of me?
people being to cocky in games? some people PURPOSELY changed nicks and doing the joinNleave game constantly?there are few other possiblities...but heck i know,cause i dont get myself involved in all these

No2: i have not seen any thou in my area,did it happened in malaysia?thats such a pity
but then again, what can you do about it?what can i do about it? release your anger here?if you can solve such problem..maybe you can go work for the anti-crime industry

No3:this is for you to find out,i dont have to type 101 reasons and list of who deserve to get whack and dont..do i?
and maybe you can go advice those assaulters in reality..that would help really much
i said it once and i said it again..i dont whack people

No4: yeap i do agree its a damn game,you have your point....my point is when u leave,u dont affect others much..the game goes on cause it doesnt involve a game that required 10 players to complete it..get it?
in dota once u leave,THATS IT..end of story,game spoilt..a new game

No5:i just notice..every point relates to one and another,you could find your answer for this point if u read carefully

FYI: the quote you made wasnt my complete essay,i submit moddfied post every 30 seconds..just to answer host..his essay is long

Somehow seems like become a battle???

Oh well, in any event, beating up people is bad...
Even if a thief got into your house and you somehow manage to capture him, you cannot beat him, or you might get sue...

As for beating up people because of game, it's NOT LIMITED TO DOTA. This is a fact that you can't deny.
It's just that currently DOTA is kind of famous in most CC in Malaysia.
However, even before DOTA exists, the same things happen on CS, Starcraft, Half-life etc...

As for gaming moral, it's purely personal matters.
DO NOT PUT YOUR OWN MORAL ON OTHERS...
Yes, leaver makes the game hard to play...
But it also very much depends on the teammates...
If the teammates are strong, they can win the game...
I have managed to win a game with 2 leavers on my side, which means 3 vs 5.

When there is leaver:
Disadvantages:
You have one less hero at your side...
You will be harder to kill the enemy when gang...

However,
Advantages:
You got one less noob player for enemy to get free gold and exp...
You got one less noob player to farm the forest...


Of course in an almost equal match, one leaver means a lot more disadvantages than advantages.
But if it's an almost equal match, there isn't much reason for anyone to leave a game...

Waw... radkiller .... well said...

and thanks to shadow_0... ive just realize something .... but before that i just wanted to say ....

@Quick' - That post saying "dont simply assume that im ....." , that one wasnt refering to you actualy ...
and also ....

"sometimes people have to do a lil bad to bring good thing for the others" if 1 unlucky person does get whack by a random people out there....it may serve as a reminder to those others that has similiar habit of leaving for fun,cocky in game etc etc

Waw ... you definately one of the wacker or supporter of violence...




And yeah .. like what shadow_0 said ...

Usualy people leave game is because they are dying that they died so much they are a Feeder....

And teammate kept flaming him ..... I ask you ... Why should he stress, staying back and let teammate FLAME??? Its just a game... he could just simply leave ...

Anotherthing, when he leave, his teammate would get the benefit of Less 1 feeder and More money for them ...

Ok now .. lets seperate this into 2 cases...

1- He got wack by his teammate
2- He got wack by the opponent


For 1, i felt that wacking that leaver is RIDICULOUS .... i mean ... If he leaves... its a benefit to them ..so why wack him??? you cant wack him because hes a noob feeder.....

For 2, This is more stupid.... The reason that the opponent wack the leaver is because ... they must have never OWN before ...

It is imposible for someone to leave if he is winning... If he left when he is owning ... reason is definately he got emergencies.... and if kena wack by that ... 100% no word to say.....


SO.... conclusion is ... there is NO reason to wack a leaver....

Or better yet, there is no reason to wack anyone At all... Even people insult u in game ... after the game just forget it la ... Whats started in game Ends in game...

So Mr.Quick'....do you still think people have to do a lil bad to bring good thing for the others????

This post has been edited by holypredator: Sep 3 2008, 08:14 PM

It's because other game communities have ethics plus good game design where lack of one or 2 players wont make one side too imbalance.

DotA doesnt because it heavily replies on group work where it rarely work when you are working with 4 complete strangers.With a retarded community like you,the damn map is spoiled by people like you.

Seriously,the more i read this thread,the more i think DotA is only for noobs who cant handle RTS and have no ethics.Childish people.So what if a person is a newbie,do you all need to flame them and then beat them to shit?

There is no reason to beat up anyone,regardless on any situation.This shows how retarded is DotA community.How childish are you all.

Why so serious? It's just a damn game.Win or lose,you are still the same.Wont become instant millionaire or anything.

No wonder the government is going to ban games in CC."Thanks" to you all.

Dotards should just cut their balls off and stay at home so that they dont reproduce.

i LOL-ed hard at this..."TRUE DOTA PLAYER"

i dowan to repeat myself jor.
but looks like i have to....for the last time im gona say
i myself dont get involved in all this whacking thingy
perhaps u can ask those people that are into it,why they whack people..instead of asking me




ouch,straightforward and harsh...but then again no use u tell this to me
whether u like it or not...lets just say, some people out there who u refer them as retard prefers to use brute force when people fail to live by the rules when playing dota...thats the ugly or dark side of certain dota community and its not under my control. ull be the 1st to stop all this madness,your words here will inspire ppl to stop whacking,well i hope so...
im just explaining base on what i think,why are those particular "people" doing so
despite how much we debate here...only those that are involves can answer u "Why"

In short,it just show how immature,unethical and retarded DotA community in Malaysia.

I dont see anything good about DotA.

i dont know what other term to call these players...loyal?long term?serious?commited?real gamer?
your call
anyway it doesnt really matter right



well,yeap perhaps "certain" part of the community is like what you said,i couldnt argree more with that
but! not all

let me do some summarize, yeah bay beh the legendary is back !

what you said, if people get whacked you will not involved but in your mind you will said the person deserved to be whacked as they are not following some forbiden rules lulz

what they've said, people shouldn't deserved to be whacked regardless of what happened in the game

got it ?

so this is the question of deserve or not deserve to be whacked, IMO it shouldn't, why ? because all of us here is once a noob that we have forgotten =), come on, people leaving a game is normal, if you luck is good you get no leaver and you enjoy the game, if your luck is bad you get a leaver you can cursed about it but move on, to be honest if i found out my team is full of noobs and there's is no point to continue the game, i will leave the game too, cheers =P

maybe because you got no friends to play with, cheers =P

i guessed i didnt answer that part,yea im still considered wicked by supporting those violence
but i also said ill support if theres a real good valid reason
eg:being a countdown leaver or once the game starts he instantly leaves AND he does that again n again n again using different nicks
oh ive meet such people b4,and it aint funny
well of course i wont whack that particular person,but if others does
ill close 1 eye

unless ure saying its a sin to support such thing in the mind..then its my bad
not like ill go.."oh hell yeah..die die die"
not till that extend lar.
this u can call me retard or whatsoever for thinking this way

actually i found out that you slightly changed your statement, after you realize something =P

This post has been edited by nickisthemost: Sep 3 2008, 10:11 PM

did i?i dont re-call changing any statement
maybe u can quote which sentenced i changed...at the bottom it will tell if i did changed =D

oh you mean the "dai sei" statement?
yea thats and honest statement from me
but its a very common word if u asked me

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 3 2008, 10:16 PM