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 Moderator Ianho abusing power!, Try to cover up by deleting my posts.

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kobe8byrant
post Aug 22 2008, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Aug 22 2008, 08:41 PM)
So... Essentially you're unhappy he posted and decided to go post something about it in the wrong forum, it then got closed so you figured you'd open a new thread everytime the one before it got closed?

1) It's called a joke.
2) If you have an issue bring it up with the mod in question, here or directly with an admin. Posting a thread in the wrong forum will get it closed, whether or not it was a "cover up(rofl, cover up, what is this, csi?)" is irrelevant. Spamming new threads in the wrong forum because your last one got closed is the wrong way to do it, and quite frankly it pisses us off. Try to be a lil smarter about things next time.
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No, I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. I mean, as much as I hate his guts, I'm leaning towards stringfellow's side here. I mean, I don't see it as a joke. I see it as an opportunity for the moderator to take advantage of a noob's misfortune by trying to deny people from helping him and then getting a good bargain from the noob.

Again, why didn't the moderator assist stringfellow by asking him to post his complains through the right channel rather than just repeatedly closing the created threads.
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post Aug 22 2008, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 22 2008, 09:30 PM)
for god sake, moderator are friends....

I've been a moderator before. Everyone is like friends. So don't blame him for helping his friend.
I bet you're going to help your friend when your friend is being bombard right?
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What has being friends got to do with this? And I think part of one's duty of being a moderator is to be impartial and fair no matter "friend or no friend." I mean, this is the sort of injustice Liverpool fans have been complaining about considering that a Manchester United fan is being moderator (most active one in Football Lounge) in that subforum [not saying who's right or wrong there].

And up to now, I still don't know what you are onto about but "being a moderator and siding with a friend" is already abusing your power. Put it this way, if you were a prefect in school, it's okay to keep your girlfriend's phone but catch everyone else? If you get caught, you kena lah.

And I'd help my friend but I'm not a moderator tongue.gif Besides, stringfellow and I aren't friends and as I've mentioned, I hate his guts.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Aug 22 2008, 09:38 PM)

Moderating team will always win, so don't even try to create a thread to complain because u will never win.
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Fact: They win because they have more sense than most, most of the time. tongue.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(davidgary73 @ Aug 22 2008, 09:42 PM)
This defeats the purpose of even trying to get this right. Utter rubbish i must say..Oh to hell with them..ponitless to even think there will be good moderators. Looks like they will never be..
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1) MayAnne
2) MalaysianPotato
3) Antonio
4) sleepwalker
5) alien2003

I think the above have been very good for LYN. And look at the complains some forumers have had on moderators, some are funny, some are barmy but equally illogical.

Though again (off topic), I'll suggest, each top 4 club in the BPL need a moderator looking after their own team's thread.

Duke Red, Fyrekat -> Liverpool
kimhoong, starghazzer, Nostalgia -> Arsenal
JDreamer -> Chelsea

those are candidates I'll list out and I having nothing for/against any of them so I ain't bias.
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QUOTE(rayzrblade @ Aug 22 2008, 09:50 PM)
i remembered once i was told by a STAFF..

HE : For gods sake, i m not being PAID for doing these [mods work]!!!

For example :
Does it mean..when u do voluntary work at old folks home..and bcos of ur negligence some old lady fell and died...and can u go SHOUTING :

For gods sake, i m not being paid for doing these..
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That could be taken out of context. I've head that many times but most of the time, the question preceding the answer is always " Are you guys paid? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Aug 22 2008, 10:12 PM)
I'll moderate those threads. I'm the ultimate candidate in unbiasedness because i don't give a rat's ass about football and i think all the teams suck. I'll flag everyone for warning equally because it doesn't matter who gets the warnings, as long as somebody gets one.

Anyways,

If this thread is about a misread joke, and it's consequences, hell, it's like pissing in an ocean of piss. Making fun of people is awesome fun. It's like not he lost a crumpet eating, tea drinking, monocle wearing contest and tried to cover shit up. It's about a joke that got out of hand and the damage control afterwards, which is acceptable if it's there to keep things down. That's generally it isn't it?

Being politically correct is all fine and dandy, but if were to equate this to a list of real world offences, this would be up there with jaywalking. It's just like how i say Shitbag, b****, motherf***er, fagboat, retard, assblaster and so on in RWI and never get suspended. Intent counts for alot and if my intent isn't to flame or personally attack a person , the worst i get is an edited post. Everyone's happy innit?
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Intent doesn't count in LYN, at least that was what I was told. Saying "what the f***" is the same as "f*** you, you f***." Me and my friends were on the end of both offenses.

Haven't you seen enough of this posted?

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post Aug 22 2008, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Aug 22 2008, 10:20 PM)
Yeah, so it's a joke and you get angry fine. But that doesn't give you the right to break forum rules as and when you think you're justified. It's still a joke, this is still the internet where people are expected to have skin thicker than that of a 6 year old school girl. If the guy who was on the recieving end of the joke was unhappy, he could have pm'd ianho and ianho would most likely have apologized both privately in pm and in the thread. But to my knowledge he didn't.
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And I do believe there's a rule where a moderator isn't allowed to take advantage by advertising his business as well? And I sense that MOST people have not taken it as a joke. Face it, were it some insignificant fry who did the same or had a comment of a similar nature (joke) that was taken the wrong way, he'd be guilty of flamebaiting.

EG: Fernando Torres is a Spanish girl would warrant a three day leave while it'd be clear that it's a joke. But no, we aren't moderators, hence we can get a suspension.

And you have not answered my question:

Why wasn't a reason for the closing of thread given. Why wasn't stringfellow asked to have his concerns voiced elsewhere which would have solved all this trouble. You say that this is the Internet and people are supposed to .....

Why not have a little common sense on the part of ianho and tell stringfellow to open the threads elsewhere? And if so, I suppose people on the Internet are supposed to know heck all, why with the needless warnings for petty offenses. Come on, if everyone's supposed to have thicker skin, there shouldn't be warnings dished out for flaming and flamebaiting as we should be man enough to take it in.

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Aug 22 2008, 10:27 PM)
Of course giving an angry face and point it at someone and screaming motherf***er! will get your ass kicked. But opening your arms and saying "long time no see motherf***errrr" is different. That's the part that's up to individual interpretation.
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As I said, I have seen people suspended for "FARRRRRRKKKKKK, Rooney scored." Explain? Even FARK is deem a profanity because it sounds like the magical F word.

*I'm just pointing it out, please do understand, moderators.
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QUOTE(azxel @ Aug 22 2008, 10:32 PM)
Not sure what's really going on here but...

I personally think that if you have nothing nice or good to post (especially in more serious topics) then I would expect one not to post anything at all and simply move onto to something else to read or post up something related to the topic.
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And that rightly applies to the moderator in question for this case. He had nothing nice to say, he said it. Same goes to se7en in the other complain thread.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Aug 22 2008, 10:34 PM)
Just because you think in such a manner, it does not mean that everybody thinks in such a manner.
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The moderator should have thought properly before making his supposed 'joke'.
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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Aug 22 2008, 10:35 PM)
I don't know if that actually constitutes flamebaiting? I've had alot of similar posts in the health forum which were posted as jokes and taken as jokes. Again, if the one on the recieving end of the joke didn't approve, he could very easily ask for an apology or report ianho via the report button. Anyone of you could have, and if you felt it necessary, should have.
Just fyi, most of us who have experience with American forums will agree that it was a joke. Maybe a little badly timed, but a joke nonetheless.

The problem arises when an individual magically thinks he's above the forum's rules and decides to post whatever he wants wherever he wants. Had he brought the issue up here first instead of in the iphone forum(is it called that? w/e you know what I mean), his threads wouldn't have been removed. Whether or not ianho removed his threads is irrelevant aswell as any mod with the capacity to remove threads in that forum would have done so as they were posted in the wrong forum.

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And this applies to everyone: In the same way you members expect us to respond to your problems and issues with the forum(whether it be with the staff, mods, w/e), we expect you to go through the right channels when seeking resolutions to problems.
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1) Saying that you have experience with American forums means nuts when you are in a Malaysian forum. In American forums, we have much more leniency as far as language constraints go, so go figure with LYN.

Yes, whether he has removed the thread or not is irrelevant but:

1) Why make the ill timed joke in the first place? As some one else has mentioned, nothing nice to say? Don't say it. Besides, to the victim, that's flamebaiting. The definition of flamebaiting:


An email, usually to a message board, written with intent to offend\anger\enrage other persons, so that they will send a flaming email in reply.

That has offended and caused rage. Why hasn't action been taken?

Though off topic, I may add that if someone were to go in an opposition thread and take the piss, he/she would be handed a warning whether it's a joke or not. I'm just stating an example that carries the similar offense.

2) Why not inform stringfellow that he should not have opened his thread there rather than closing SEVERAL similar threads.

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Aug 22 2008, 10:37 PM)
Well, again, context. I can't say f***kkk in photography (goldfries keeps editing my posts). But i can say it in RWI, kopitiam. It's down to how things are run and how bad things are on the ground.

I used to mod HW with an iron fist, while i let HW QnA run free, because the latter didn't have as many flame issues, had no post count and generally less nasty folks lurked there. If you don't like the moderating policy you'll have to talk to the mod. Frankly speaking i used to see enough reports from the football subsection even when RBR modded it actively to warrant it having an iron fist policy. But if you feel that things have improved, go talk to yer mod.
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Editing isn't the same as getting a suspension. And talking about context, obviously that is irrelevant when the moderator/admin in question has already explained why the warning/suspension was given. He/she said that it is irrelevant of intent or spelling, a sustained use of profanity will be followed by a warning/suspension.
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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Aug 22 2008, 11:01 PM)
His thread wasn't deleted? It was closed, his posts in the other threads may have been deleted, but that'd be because he was off topic.
His threads were closed because they were in the wrong forum(well, whether or not that is the reason is irrelevant anyway, the threads were in the wrong forum and would have been closed by any other mod passing by).

If the reason is unaccepted, well what can I say... If you go to the Firedepartment to file a murder report, they're not going to entertain you are they?

There's no apology necessary to the TS of this thread, the only one who should recieve an apology would be the one on the recieving end of the joke, assuming he didn't see it as a joke and wants an apology.
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If I were to go to the fire department and file a murder report, I'd be asked to go to the police.

And why delete them and put them up for the world to view in the end?

It's a public forum meant for the public to view. If I were to utter a profanity or utter a comment towards you, it doesn't matter if you or anyone feel offended as I'd get a warning regardless if it was an offense. Take racist remarks for example. It's not a conversation between the moderator and the one offended. It's a discussion between everyone involved. I thought the chewxy incident was a good precedent. It was a comment chewxy made to a particular person but everyone else got pissed, he resigned. End of.

Add: If it was a remark meant between the two parties, there's always PM.

ADD 2 : at the one who was talking bout profanities, http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=19415581

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