Moderator ianho, is now actively denying my posts from being posted. He is deleting every post that had his actions exposing his childish acts of belittling Terapox during his attempts at reviving his iPhone. This is the post I'm trying to post, which he constantly deletes to stop people from knowing his wrongdoings.



Great example we have as a moderator here.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Aug 22 2008, 06:53 PM

Multiple threads which were created by me in my attempts to expose him, were then reactivated to give the impression that I am spamming. All similar threads that have been "reactivated" have been closed.

EDIT: Closed threads are re-activated back again, to again give the impression that I am spamming. Please be advised.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Aug 22 2008, 05:28 PM

Saw all the closed thread earlier but now its magically open. Wierd

The power of a corrupt moderator.

yikes!!! tak pasal pasal i got roped into this and also exposing my typo crystal clear (be a little bit more sympathetic especially from the very senior members. stuff like that are NOT meant to be joked or flamed); left out the NOT



anyway despite having a small and tiny disagreement at around 2-ish in the morning (which i reckon is totally cool by the way) with stringfellow, i'm with him on this one (whilst making myself susceptible to attacks from the moderators too unfortunately). well that's the risk which i'm willing to take.

This post has been edited by nokia2003: Aug 22 2008, 05:43 PM

And I'm having to re-close the threads I've opened to expose him, that he had deleted repeatedly, and now reactivating them. And people wonder why I lost faith in the mods here?

reminder



is his iPhone a legitimate iPhone to be used here? i think moderator should close those thread if they are trying to hack iPhone. Else if it's a valid unit of iPhone, send it back to vendor/manufacturer for warranty !

It is not about hacking. At first it is about him blowing off because I state that a feature was available since earlier firmware, and then he roped in the plight of the NOOBS, without him even spending much of his time here and see what we the regulars have to face every time a NOOB poses a question that had been asked millions of times before. This led to the creation of the "READ THIS BEFORE POSTING" thread by our good friend....errr...friend.

He asked me to keep quiet , while he blatantly abuses and chided Terapox when Terapox was asking for help onr eviving his iPhone. And he had the audacity to ask me to keep quiet, while he loudmouths Terapox? Outrageous!

Ladies and gentlemen of LYN, I present you the mod of LYN.

u r really funny, that is like saying u hack into bank negara because their security is bad. Their security is bad doesn't mean you can hack it. You pay doesn't means u can hack. It's yours doesn't mean you can hack it. If hacking is allowed, then it shouldn't void your warranty if you hack it.

Please stick to the issue at hand.

This is not a hack, it is an unlock. Users here are resorting to his because of the ineffiecientcy and refusal of our three local carriers to set up a deal with Apple to bring the iPhone here. Phone unlockings have been done and practised everywhere, especially to deter exuberant charges charged by greedy carriers.

if Terapox is asking help on how to rescue him by hacking iPhone, it shouldn't even be there in the first place.

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Added on August 22, 2008, 5:56 pmya stick to the topic, you are still discussing on how to hack/unlock illegally, u r trying to be robin hood ? ya robin hood is a hero. That is ages ago.

This post has been edited by vincent_audio: Aug 22 2008, 05:56 PM

Bro, I repeat this is not about hacking. This is about unlocking.

What options do you have if you want to use an iPhone here?

As for your issue with Terapox, look around you in this forum. Are you new?

if what he is doing is legal, send it back to the vendor/manufacturer and they should get it fix under warranty.

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Added on August 22, 2008, 6:00 pmya i'm new, i bet u r not new, how about u telling me is it legal to unlock the phone ? if so, then why not just sent it back to the vendor / manufacturer ?

This post has been edited by vincent_audio: Aug 22 2008, 06:00 PM

That is the thing, all iPhones brought out of the country of origin is out of warranty. He has no choice but to seek help from actual users here.

That is besides the point. The point I'm making is that a moderator with such behaviour is a disgrace to this forum. Attempts of submerging posts exposing his wrongdoing, and all because someone has a differing opnion than his. If he has stayed here longer than he usually do, he would have known what the regulars here have to do every single time a post for help is posted in a new thread, where the answers are already available in this forum. We didnt mind answering questions, and helping people, but PEOPLE have got to help themselves first!

At any rate, let this thread serves as a reminder how a corrupt people with power can disrupt and sway the undercurrent of this forum, to a result that may prove to be disastrous. Do not be afraid to stand up for your rights, and know your rights when you know that you are in the right.

stringfellow sumtime people juz dont get it rite, n i wanna noe how come if u upgrade/unlock it is illegal?

Interesting to see a moderator who has a brain of a 5 year old. Childish that is.

This post has been edited by davidgary73: Aug 22 2008, 06:09 PM

The Terms and Condition, whenever you download and wanted to use a firmware update, states this, zehtahs. Whenever you modify the firmware to suit the unlocking procedure, that is already against the TOS.

Apple however,as well as our three major carriers, are forcing our hands here, by not doing anything in getting the iPhones legally into the country.

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Added on August 22, 2008, 6:10 pmI fought for my life there bro. 20-30 minutes of battling his deletion of my posts and threads, and then re-closing again the threads I have made that he had deleted. Power sometimes goes to people's heads.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Aug 22 2008, 06:10 PM

"To be responsible is not to see the world the way you would like it to be, but as it is"

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

What's all this about illegal hacking and unlocking now? I thought the thread was the unveiling of abuse of authority at the highest level in LYN.

*Continues to observe....

I just archive some old post in "other forum". And I get a huge complaint from member. Out of no idea which post was removed & no reply what-so-ever from the related party. I just resign being a mod from that forum to peace their mind.

But do bare in mind, moderating forum takes great responsibility. When I mod, I tried my best not to delete any thread or post.

Those are notable quotes, moonstone13.

I already have hinted about the corruption in the moderating system here in LYN. This is just but the tip of the iceberg, already festering at the roots. And it is us, common forum members who are at the whims of this injustice.

So you are now agreeing with me that unlocking is illegal. So it shouldn't be discuss at all.

sorry, i still don't get it, who forced u to get it into the country ? anyone using a pistol to force u ? it's all u and yourself and you want to show off that get you into this.

This post has been edited by vincent_audio: Aug 22 2008, 06:13 PM

Kudos to your courage and initiative to actually point this out.

I mean, how many people would actually go through all the sweat and toil of wrestling with a Mod (the deleting, clicking, posting, getting deleted again...cycle) with one's account on the line.

This is a positive thing (in my opinion anyway).

If LYN ever so sensitive about legality. Why there's an active Hackintosh thread? Aren't that illegal as well?

to further the explaination... read HERE

@vincent

Do you own an iphone?

This post has been edited by davidgary73: Aug 22 2008, 06:23 PM

If you claim it so, then your post here is directed to all the guys here who owns an iPhone. Tell them that in their faces and see what kind of response you get.

What showoff lah, brader? If I wanted to show off, I would just get the iPhone for myself and let others simply lick their lips drooling for it. I offered help through the Tumpang, helping them get the iPhones as well, but guess what? The mods here like to stick a fallen tree up my path. They dont want me to help others get their iPhones? Think before you post please.

sorry pal i dont get u ur yalking about Apple r TS

for the sake of clearing unlocking issue doubts..

bro juz ignore n carrie on wt ur work gd job ur doin here.

again for mr vincent to have another thought in mind before taking out his gun.... ever.

I think this is an attempt at thread derailment. The issue at hand here is still unanswered. I have reported and PMed the Powers That Be here, but seeing how it is one of their kind that are causing all this mayhem, I doubt there is much resolution that will take place. People usually take care of their own kind first.

Lets have a by election for Apple Byte! I vote stringfellow

Nway, main desk,feedback<--post it here too lo

do vincent need more clarification of unlocking issues? i still have tonnes of information thanks to uncle google... wait... vincent, U NEVER USE GOOGLE BEFORE KA??

oke lets go get some smuggled ferarries in.. use our own money to buy, other ppl wont suffer.. right? if that's what u mean..

now lets back to the real issue rather than non related issue thanks to vincent..

it's a poor attempt unfortunately as that bloke clearly has a mentality of a child. furthermore, to question/challenge something like that in an iphone forum, clearly reflects his underdeveloped feeble brain.

How come i am not suprised by all these?

Corrupted or selfish moderator exist in almost every forum, but getting caught red handed is really lame and stupid..

About the smartass who trying to argue if unlocking iphone is illegal, go ahead and try make this a case by reporting to the authority, and lets see who is willing to entertaint your agenda..

In the other hand, if hacking a bank is the same, how come i can walk around freely with my "hacked" iphone?

The joke is on you dude..

I dont want a post around here. I dont want to be like THEM.

Look, we either have paid for the item via tariff, taxes, or in the case of buy-outright iPhones from NZ, the GSTs. These are already taxed items. Items are by law taxable IF you are making a business out of it, and if you do avoid tax because you are importing these items illegally by smuggling them in, then you are breaking the law. SO to those making a business out of this SELLING iPhones here in the forum, you are , by law, required to pay taxes.

I am not making a business out of my Tumpangs, I am helping folks around here getting their iPhones.

But please, the more we deviate from the issue at hand here, the happier "a certain quarter" here feels. Burying this issue under heavy derailment is not out of the question. That is how things are done in Malaysia anyway, misdirection, misinformation and submergence of evidence.

ohhhh...no wonder u didn't appeared so much..

i thought u were busy or something...instead..hmm

Just to be fair, I'd like to add that most of the mods are doing a fine job.

Let's not be hasty to condemn the whole lot over a few bad apples. Try to just point the gun (as Vincent likes it) at the Stalins, Hitlers and Mao's.

To add, those who've has similar experiences should speak up as well. This will serve as a collective reminder (the very least) to the Powers-that-be.

Yup. It is like someone is virtually tying my hands behind my back, blindfolded me and stuff a wet rag down my throat. Guantanamo Bay treatment-style, brother. It's like I said, the mods here cannot be acquited to be on the wrong side, they are always right, even when they are wrong.

Huh?

Its the purpose of a forum that anybody want to seek help or information post it here right? Its not warez or watever.

I certainly dont mean all of them. My blanket statement are mean exclusively to those bad apples.

Do you even know that we are all used as their object of humour and comedy in their "invisible" moderator's lounge? They tested their powers on you and watch you giggling while you squeal. That is the sad reality, and our fate as labrats.
Not unlike the government we have now in reality.

Unlocking isn't illegal. If it is they wouldn't allow those people to sell their phone unlock service in the trade resource center.

im not directing it to u.. if you're buying them outright from vodafone, paying taxes and all that, legally unlocked, those are legal.. but not those that were smuggled in previously.. i am too gonna have my iphone unlocked by the telco.. we're doing it legaaly, abiding by all their ToC so of course its legal..

This post has been edited by jakesean: Aug 22 2008, 06:45 PM

wat i meant was, from every post which had been deleted lah

Is there some kind of Super-Moderator or Co-admin that kind clear things up by checking the logs and records of the deleted posts claimed by String?

So we wrap things up fast and simple before this thread becomes a warzone of flames..

Cool. I'm happy that we are on the same page.

My only hope is that Se7en sees all these wrongdoings and act upon it fairly.

bro stringfellow......hmmm..maybe the mod make hard jokes...maybe he doest mean that.....i`m not on his side or ur side....but just worried the impact of this case to the forum itself...

just my concern

peace

ok, let stop this chaos now and for all...im neutral here...

to all mod:
please be fair with all the forumer here, please act fairly to those mod who is abusing their powers. so that, we all here have can visit here again. we all want to stay in a clean environment.

to all forumer here:
please give mod some time to work their way out. since all those evident have been exposed here, i dont think they will ignore this case.

@enemysaxon

The act of deleting my posts says it all. Just look at the new threads that I have tried to post, and he deleted, and then let it re-emerges again, to look like I'm spamming.

That act of cowardice alone says a lot about his character. I am a man of my word, I mean it when I do it. I take responsibility of my actions, and even though that mess in that first page in this section of the forum, is on his beleaguered conscience alone, I try and make it right by closing it and cleaning it. I dont leave it messy like that. It is not in my nature to leave things unattended.

I dont flee from the scene of the crime, I try and see if I can rectify the problems, with whatever limited abilities I have. As for "him", where is he now? If he feels repentant of his wrongdoings, he would at least set it right by cleaning up the threads he had intentionally reopened down there on the first page of this post. Hell, I'll clean it up if I have the power to do so.

dont angry bro, we are not saying that you are wrong... we all here should be like string...

give him time until midnight to clear thing out. if not then we come discuss this matter again ok?

go to have some dinner to cool down for 2nd half ok?

Sure, that'll give them time to cook up more "fun and games" to put me through while we wait for the resolution. Hell, he put me through the "post and delete" mini-game just now just for his own guilty pleasure.

i will joint this mini game later...

hope that all those judges will come here to serve justice right...

yeah..yeah..agree with u....have some dinner to cool down...relax ur mind...don`t get emotion take ur power...chill bro

moving topic to correct category

***delete***

This post has been edited by kai5183: Aug 22 2008, 07:34 PM

All eyes are currently on this thread. I'd hope that there will be a constructive outcome thereafter.

Folks

Your thread has been noted but as usual, you just cannot expect an admin to be here 24/7 to deal with complaints.

Rest assured the admins will deal with this accordingly.

Thank God this has moved to the proper place to be..

Lets hope things get resolved as it should be..

Since this thread has been moved outside of the iPhone subforum, I hope it wouldn't be inappropriate for me to re-post something that I've already posted there. I believe this whole personal feud between ianho & string started off with a post ianho made, which is included in my post hidden in the spoiler below:




Stringfellow, you aren't being a very good example either. His childish acts? Yes, indeed they were childish. But your acts are equally as childish. There's been many more instances where you picked on newbies. The respect you've gained by doing noble things such as the tumpang thread has lead you to act like a condescending alpha-male in the iPhone section. You are one of the major flamers in there, and the others are starting to follow suit as well.

I do hope that here I am, JUST ANOTHER USER, putting you in your place by making you realize what you've been doing, would make you stop your chiding.

This post has been edited by lailaikatong: Aug 22 2008, 07:52 PM

I've been trying not to tussle words with you because of our past liasons, but there are certain things you need to know.

I'm sorry but we are not PAID like those Apple Geniuses. We are doing this for free, and frankly, it has come to a level where it is testing most of our sanity. Choose not to answer them? More will come and post the exact same questions, only with different wording.

If im paid to answer these questions and more, you can spit questions in my face and I'll still put on a smile. The reality is with the iPhone section, is that they expect answers to their questions as if WE are paid to do this. Choosing to ignore it only invite more of these questions.

You may be able to ignore and let it be, perhaps because I dont see you in the iPhone section and that may be your mode of ignoring these NOOBS and their incessant questionings. But those of us who are making the iPhone section of this forum as our second home, these bombardment of questions are like eyesores. If you leave them unanswered, someone else who have no clue whatsoever about the issue with have their go at it and point the clueless NOOBS the wrong way ,and complicating things further. In the end, the same NOOB will come in with more whinings and more problems with their iPhones, suffocating the forum further. Ignore them more, you say? Until at which stage would you come and answer the hapless buggers before they brick their iPhones to kingdom come? You will have to, at one stage answer these NOOBS, and as much as WE like to ignore these NOOBS and let them have at it, WE hate it further to see them squander their iPhones to a point of no return.

So, before you point your finger at me, have a look at the forum, and stay and have a feel at how things go in this forum. You have a higher tolerance towards ignoring them, but I dont. I dont like people spreading misinformation, I dont like people going about things like a headless chicken, and I dont certainly dont like people who are irresponsible with their purchases. These NOOBS certainly fits that category.

The Apple Byte section are more organized and well-informed because you dont have to deal with these clueless NOOBS. Even if you do, the FREQUENCY of these questions coming at you on Apple Byte, are not as frequent as what WE have to handle here in the iPhone section. It is like there is 10 iPhone NOOBS born every minute, and we have to handle their bibs, napkins and diapers when they burp, spit, vomit and defecate their way around the iPhone section.

Again, your tolerance level to ignoring those people are not the same as others. Do not think that you can say "I can do it, why cant you", God made us different, and made us with that different tolerance level as well. Some of us can just let things slide, "Lantak ko ko lah, ko nak jahanamkan iPhone ko , doesnt botter me" attitude comes naturally to them, while others cannot even stnd people making a mistake when it comes to delicate things like unlocking their iPhones, because little things like this may result in a devastated iPhone.

We are NOT PAID like the Apple Geniuses to treat these NOOBS with gleaming white teeth smile, we are only human. And as fellow humans, these NOOBS should understand why the impatience level in the iPhone section is high, and at the very least, as a common courtesy to their fellow man here, go about their way finding out the answers here first before posting questions that had been answered.

What may have been seen as picking on NOOBS here by you are simply the result of countless questions been posted before that NOOB was put into his place, because of the stress level in the iPhone section because of their incessant questions and expectant of mouthfeeding. Try and look into it from a different angle, from the point of those who had to suffer these oncoming barrage of questions before you make your convenient assumptions.

I have not considered or even think myself as what you've put, an "alpha-male". If that is your conclusion of things, then I should have the undying support of the 15 in my Tumpang list as well as others isnt it? Look back into my post history and you'll see that even I have disagreements with those in my Tumpang list, and those who previously had agreed on me on previous occasion.

It is the easiest thing to solve all this NOOB chiding nonsense, PEOPLE NEED TO START TAKING RESPONSIBILITIES OF THEIR IPHONES! As long as we have people not doing this, the issue will never end.

wow...respect to katong!!!

Gosh, you guys come on... Singaporeans are enjoying their iPhone 3G party and we Malaysians are arguing over a user's iPhone problem?

i'm sorry to say that vincent is gang with ianho because all are dSLR user I'm also gang of ianho. But I just want to point out why vincent is helping ianho.

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Added on August 22, 2008, 8:12 pmin photography thread, ianho is nice guy.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Aug 22 2008, 08:12 PM

The objective of this thread is easy :-

"Why delete my post"? "Why continue deleting my attempts at posting for close to 30 minutes?"

The side-issue here is the NOOB treatment in the iPhone section and how to resolve this satisfactorily. And me being court-martialed for my conduct, apparently because I am elected "alpha-male" without my knowing. If I knew better, I would have acted like Tyler Durden in "Fight Club" or "The Joker" in "The Dark Knight" and entice havoc upon LYN.

It is easy to say that Stringfellow's wrong, but I did my part in stemming the onslaught of irresponsible newbies and asking them to take a more proactive efforts in knowing their device more. What have you done, Lailaikatong?

some times , misunderstanding will cause a lot of issue

it was kinda obvious (even if you do not point it out) from the beginning but unfortunately it has backfired.

To those wondering what is the big deal with these questions we had to face and answer:-

These are the type of questions we have to face, day in day out, in iPhone section of this forum.

Tell me when your patience run out when you're face with these and other similarly berating questions every ...single....day, in iPhone forum.

If ignored, they will later come in packs and post even more questions, and when not answered by the right person, these NOOBS may be supplied with answers that may jeopardize the livelihood of their iPhones.

some one called me ?

look man just keep it as how it is, i mean why keep on writting when the admin's are not even around ? plus this thread is getting longer and i dont even feel like reading as i only read your 1st post and this post, as for others i just scroll and go to the next page without even reading any of the post. i mean its too long. who would want to read ? this isnt a book your writting. i mean dont even think of beating J.K Rowling. lol

hope your problem will be solved as soon as possible by the admin. all the best

This post has been edited by Calvin871989: Aug 22 2008, 08:25 PM

This thread is longer BECAUSE it originates from the iPhone section, NOT from this section. This thread got moved here from there. Dont simply assume, please.

actually Photography thread got a lot of this kind of issue. But it was not reported like this.
But now it is quiet down now. Actually in photography thread, a lot moderator and staff misuse and
abuse their power (but they dunno about it ---> because they think they are right). But after
some fighting and scolding, now its getting better. Misuse of power is less.

The problem is:

Moderator and staff is doing something over the limit. Moderate every single post if he hates you.
Now, that is abuse of power. But the staff and Mod does not know it. They thought they are doing
a great job since they think you're shit.

So my advice to staff/mod. Dun over moderate a forum. You're abusing your power!!!!!!!!!!

peeps, just to clarify some terms in the posts ya all posted.

A "noob" is a begging, lying, spamming, cheating and extremely annoying person.

A "newbie" is a person that is new to the site who is very innocent compared to a noob.

from gamers' view points, calling people noob is unwise and rude. let along NOOB.

peace, i dont side anyone here.

To moderator:

if you don't agree and you hate some forum member, pls refrain yourself from deleting their post. Because you already form an opinion on them. What ever they post is shit.

But that's far from true. Because of wat u think of them, it become shit. Actually their opinion is valid.

no one is going to jail if u unlocked ur phone. My point is if you think wat you are doing is 'correct', then just send the unit back to factory to be fix.

He is moderator and he get to delete your thread while you are not. Fair?

Everyone else unit got no problem, but Terapox has. Fair?

Why you are not born in US, HK or Singapore where you can get an iPhone and send it back to warranty. Fair?

you are trying to be 'good' and got backfired. Fair?

the world is never fair. Grow up, this is the world you are living.

Ok u can continue to taunt here

So you're saying it is okay for him to abuse his mod powers since he can, and I should just accept it?

So... Essentially you're unhappy he posted and decided to go post something about it in the wrong forum, it then got closed so you figured you'd open a new thread everytime the one before it got closed?

1) It's called a joke.
2) If you have an issue bring it up with the mod in question, here or directly with an admin. Posting a thread in the wrong forum will get it closed, whether or not it was a "cover up(rofl, cover up, what is this, csi?)" is irrelevant. Spamming new threads in the wrong forum because your last one got closed is the wrong way to do it, and quite frankly it pisses us off. Try to be a lil smarter about things next time.

You're posting one of the most ridiculous comment I've ever read.
I don't think you're a nice person at all. You've just show to people
your bad attitude and low morality to everyone in LYN. You should
be ashame of yourself for the crap that you've just spewed out.

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Added on August 22, 2008, 8:45 pmYou've just proof my point. You actually hate stringfellow. Pls don't. This will cloud your judgement.
Moderator should be impartial.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Aug 22 2008, 08:45 PM

Moderator should not even see who actually posting the comment!!! They should just see the comments and nothing else. If it's wrong, then close it or delete it. Nothing personal. Just facts!!!

@Malaysianpotato

The re-emergence of the new threads are because he had deleted the first thread, and I am force to form a new one. After a while, these deleted thread reappears again, giving the impression that as if I am spamming. Look into my post history, I dont spam.

The issue at hand here is why he deletes my posts, and why he is thwarting every attempt I made to post, INCLUDING those new threads. If he had allowed the thread to be posted, there would not have been multiple threads to begin with. I dont know how the forum works, but he deleted my first thread, and it disappears. I made another thread, and he deleted it, and that too disappears. After several attempts, he got weary of it, and all the deleted threads reappeared.

His attempts to stop my post from reappearing in two threads in iPhone section is also evident of this.

My point here is, he cannot take criticism that points him as being anything but perfect. Once he has been exposed to be wrong, his first action is to delete any existence of that evidence (in this case, a post and a thread) to keep his forum outlook clean. It is THAT important to him.

Me? I've already been branded a bad guy to you, so it makes no difference. All I want is resolution to his actions.

Hmmm...you're a sad sad man.

My point exactly. Some of the moderators here are incapable of being partial. When they enter a thread or forum to moderate, they are already biased to certain issues. Or biased to act against certain members that do not agree with them.

moderator is not blind. every post accompanied by poster name. so if moderator hate a person, ask another
moderator to moderate that post. If all moderator hate that person, that's really too bad. But as vincent
say, world is not fair. But since we're here to complain:

We demand justice!!!!!!!!

if we are being moderated by the moderator, who actually moderate the moderators? Are there a group up there?

Just got back home an World War 3 started..
Frankly..(not taking any sides)

People are allowed to be mad even though its a joke..
Ok..maybe iPhone doesn't matter much to YOU but it does to US..

Can you imagine something you own and love like a laptop,car or any other thing break down and become unusable and 'some guy' comes and say stuff like wanting to buy it at a STUPID price?
While you stress yourself searching google,etc for help someone just like make a stupid joke about it??
And main thing is the 'guy' never even bothered to apologize or feeling any remorse at all..

No. Moderator is like BN. Who moderate BN? No one. That's why they can do what ever they want.
But people still can vote them out. But in forum, nothing can be done...

if it's re emerged back then it's not deleted. ur thread has been invisible for moderating purpose i assume.

Vincent is a guy who always think he is right. So don't bother with him.

Hey string, guess what? you're not the first one

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/687773

LYN moderating team. Awsome.

moderating purpose is done if there's a biased.

The higher power in the forum should change from time to time...

LYN is not the world..

BUT...

It works like the world..

if u get what i mean..hehe