QUOTE(Reanne @ Aug 27 2008, 06:37 PM)
Wah, hamster smoothie war. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion with anything, but the RC is genetically prone to diabetes and feeding any fruits or veggie high in sugar should be avoided. This includes carrots, apples, corn, mango, watermelon, etc.
Our stock of winter whites are also not 100% considered pure and many petshops/mills etc tend to mix RC and WWs together, so some wws may have campbell blood, which makes them more susceptible to diseases RCs are prone to, likewise vice versa. Puddings wws are a suspected product of mixed genes so they may be more susceptible to certain diseases or genetically prone to either species of RC or WW. I did have a pair of puddings and they were OBESE even though I didn't really feed them much sweet stuff other than their staple.
Hamsters from Malaysia aren't the same as from Singapore. Here the quality of the hamsters are not as good as from Singapore. We don't even see solid blacks or silver greys for syrians. Mostly cinnamons, some black eyed creams, goldens, red eyed creams, sables. Our Malaysian stock is profusely inbred and kept in poor conditions, so perhaps comparing keeping hamsters in Singapore to keeping in Malaysia may not be the best.
Like for example the dosage/amount of feeding fruits/veggies etc.
A reputable breeder who is also the chief judge for hamster shows in California which specializes in RCs did state that we should avoid feeding any fruits or veggie with is high in sugar to RCs. We're not saying it
will succumb to diabetes, but this is stated to diminish the likelihood of the hamster getting diabetes.
Hamsters from US are different. They are heavy bodied, larger, basically bigger in terms of bone structure and body size. There they preserve their breeding lines and genetics well, here our stock is, as said before, inbred until they are almost half the size of US stock. So stating that it's ok for them to be bigger(horizontally), because hamsters in US are naturally bigger?
As a last note, I strongly advise caution with the use of 'Balanced' because nothing is really 100% balanced in terms nutrition. I'm curious to know, was a vet or nutritionist consulted during the creation of the product or was it all based on experience?

really!!!!!???????
meaning everyone is selling the inbred Hamster,Gerbil,Fat-Tail Gerbil,Mouse & Mice in malaysia?
no wonder la my Pearl WW male that i bought from this LYN member are smaller than my WW sapphire, but the male that i bought is only 1 week younger than my female WW. meaning its inbred too?
bahahaha, lucky i fed my female with BALANCED diet, at seems to be more bigger (but no obese) than the male that i just bought
QUOTE(sangels @ Aug 27 2008, 08:45 PM)
Hmm...

I do agreed with you that our stock of hamsters are mostly with poor quality but still a lot of people go round and buy. Even for some of the home breeder, they even sell hamster that have genetic disorder like flipping and claim that their hamster is healthy.

Then means whether feed or not doesn't matter since the disorder is contained in their gene. So if someone who feed and till the end the hamster is well and living healthy but on the other hand, someone who do not feed fresh and yet the hamster get diabetes or diseases? How can we know 100% where is the problem coming from? We can't judge 100% for their food intake (maybe only 80%?) cos the hamster also will get some snack or something, will that be the cause instead?
All these while the Mod here are encourage hamster owner to feed fresh veges and fruits to hamsters (at least this is what I learn here when I was a newbie), so we are trying out best to feed all these but we have limitation to give in variety as we hardly keep it long in out fridge, so someone who are good enough to think of a new way to help us out with the problem, blend and keep it frozen so that easy for people who have only 1 or few hamsters. After we feed, we did see our hamsters are growing well and healthy, no disorder noted so far. That's why we still continue on. If you say like carrot can not feed to non pure WW and RC (I thought we can feed in small amount with the info provided all these while), then maybe should advice the certain flavor which make the feeder uncomfortable is advice not to feed, but not SMOOTHIE can't feed cos indirectly saying is, FRESH food can not be fed to hamsters? So what are we suppose to feed them? Plain staple food? Then all the hamsters will be like my size.

I do believe different people will have own preference of hamster size, not everybody like chubby hamster and say chubby hamster are obese, just because they never see one in their whole life but thin thin hamster around. So I think whoever think that fresh veges and fruit (in solid form or in smoothie form) is harmful or not good for your hamsters, then you can choose to stop feeding, but no need to be keep discourage other people who wanna feed it. (Just for example: I'm allergy to seafood, I can't go round and force and discourage other people that seafood is not good for health as they are unknown for allergy with prawns until proven). Same theory to all. I hope this will be stop right here as this is definitely upset someone who make this without earning profit but out of the pure heart to help and love for the animals.

FYI: If home pet food maker need to consult vets or vet nutritionist, then we will need to pay very high price for the same thing we have here. As I know of other home pet food maker also do not have vet nutritionist consultation even for the snack and treats selling in the market. Maybe I can provide service as for human's nutrition. Hahaha...

agreed!
if we cannot fed them with FRESH, then just feed them with staple? then we MALAYSIAN, keep on breeding the small size hamster larh

ahahah what a joke