So I was just thinking....

I realise that now there's quite a lot of HIGH DEFINATION movies and series to download from the internet. each file ranges from 4Gb to 22gb.
So I was thinking that if I put this file into a external juke box drive and connect it to my High Def LCD to play.

How will the quality like? I know when I watch on My 22" LCD monitor, it look way much nicer... but if I use this juke box to stream it into my TV, will the quality in term of picture and sound be better then DVD's?

DVD's also can control normal audio to DTS...



Comments pls...

Thanks

If download, I chose Matroka file format.

.mkv instead of .avi

Sometimes got no choice to choose though ._.

DVD is not that bad actually.

if you download those more then 10gb one, am sure the quality will be better then DVD lo
just that no subtitles only....

high definition content is definitely clearer than DVD.

Yup... the one i downloaded are Matroka file format

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Added on August 18, 2008, 6:40 pmYup true...

But what I was thinking is if you stream it through the 2.5' multimedia player or juke box to the LCD... will the quality degrade?

This post has been edited by kenling86: Aug 18 2008, 06:40 PM

hmmm can we discuss this openly?
i mean it is download copyright material (high def rip movie)..and indirectly its mean pirated movie...

Not sure....

That's why hopefully I get the answers before they shut this thread down ...

yes, support piracy

This post has been edited by xpresside: Aug 18 2008, 07:26 PM

i dun think we can discuss thiss.. in be4 close liao

lolz not to say about movie lah... movie of course need to support ori... but we can talk about others like animes which also have HD version one... the HD version of anime is those mkv as stated... very high quality... and animes are not pirated, they produce it for you to download..

I Think It's Not Restricted To Discuss Lo...

Ts Just Asking Which Quality Is Better..

Comparing HD Movie & DVD..

what on earth are you talking about?
Animes are not pirated? they produced it for you to download???

DIY Animes ?

i think it depends on the dvd whether it is a copy from the cine or ori dvd from overseas.. in overseas the dvd release is faster....
some pirated dvd also have this HD class....

so you think yourself... some people have the satisfaction from buying the ori want regardless of the price... its your money and its our economy together....

Download those RMVB ripped from HD DVD or Blu-Ray Disc, it's damn good !

720P @ 4.3GB is the best lah ~
same capacity with DVD, but far far better quality !!!

I do agree with you all ... hahah who say we are discussing pirated?

I'm comparing original DVD and with the HD Movie that I purchase and download from the Net...

Hahaha

FYI... I do support original... just that it's too expensive in Malaysia... I bought the Original Transformers Special Ed DVD. Expensive... but worth to Collect...

ya, seriously, Anime on HD (be it 720p or 1080i) which is on matroka file format is holy sh*t!

Watching on my 40" Bravia is worth it.

I connect it directly to my computer btw.

those in .avi has wierd color outage? *something like loses colour*?

afaik...720p mostly @ +\- 7gb...seems this is not hardware discussion..its more to quality output comparison discussion.. its multimedia thingy..kinda in my field of study..

aiyo...if u live in malaysia..go get dvd lar...BT too slow..^^

Well... somehow I kinda have a fast connection ... haha but mostly I get the High Def from my friends who study in local unis...they have tons shows waiting for you to just go select...

Definitely is HD Contents la.No bitrate bottlenecking ma

should be it's matroska for mkv

Audiophiles..? O.o
should be in multimedia imo..

So meaning if I buy the multimedia player that uses 2.5" HDD and put this hi def movie inside and stream it into my HI Def TV the visual and audio quality will be much better then DVD?

It won't be stream down by the multimedia player?

10GB...how to download...mati-lah...

I watched some HD TV series though, definitely better than ASTRO.

then u try A720 ~ also not bad quality ...
around 2GB per movie nia ~

amateurs.....

DVD is not bad but high def is significantly better. however, if ur using a small TV its not worth the truble..

So anyone have a good multimedia player to recommend?

Cause i saw in the market some come with HDMI output... but those only utilize 3.5" HDD....

Any recommendations?? Preferbably using 2.5" HDD one and portable... but 3.5" also can ... as long as the output quality when I put this Hi Def vid file inside is good...

multimedia player ? if got $$$ buy TVIX ~~~

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

/out of nowhere a voice from a distant pass...

Phew.... looks like quite big like that ... ahhah

You know where to get it ? and how much?

It is slow but it worth the wait. Satisfaction galenti.

after look at 720p quality movie, this is my reaction whenever i see vcd now : "why video so bad 1?"

definitely I will choose HD movie over DVD now.

I've seen 1080p rips being posted on UseNET

The filesize was insane. ~50GB or something. Too lazy to even bother.

i think normal DVD quality does not even reach 780p(may b just around half of it res)

what cable your multimedia player using? if it is not hdmi ...seem even with HD it will be wasted ....

coz i think i read from somewhere , others cable ( other than hdmi/dvi)
cannot go up to 780p ?

cheapest player seem to be PS3 ? lol .... not sure
but well , it come with HDD and blu ray ROM .... and can play game too ,
hohoho

oh , those 1080p with insane filesize is normally movie i think depend on the length and sound quality? ( for blu ray wad , too many extra space for blu ray, so y not utilize them ? lol)

normal anime will not go up to that , i think 300-500 ...
unless anime movie like appleseed ( will cost around 10Gb too) ? but well , u will feel worthwhile for it to enjoy the audio and graphic ^^"

wat is should be it's matroska for mkv?

Normal DVD movies are encoded in NTSC (720x480) compared to HD file that came in 1280x720 for 720p class.

Personally for my eyes rating, i would say 1080p file score 100/100, 720p file score 90/100 and DVD Ori (VOB) file score would be about 80/100 for the same title.

80/100 for DVD is too generous.. should be 50-60/100 subjectively (for me)

if count pixel information it will be 5-6times lower than 1080p...

of coz, depends on what kind of TV you got.. if you got 854x480 early Gen PDPs then not much diff between DVD and HD 720/1080. since the screen can't display all the information from the source.. if you got 1080p projector blown up the 120inches screen. then DVDs will look kinda of sucky even if sitting 6-7feet away..

Agreed! Mine judgment is based on my 40" Bravia LCD playback. I too might change my scores if I have a bigger LCD or HD Projector

later buy better display, every thing SD looks sucky and also need to upgrade..

well i find that the 5.1 audio on a mkv file is not as clear as dvd 5.1, especially DTS.

i find the mkv is a little muffled. unless im not using something which you guys are.
so some how i still go buy some nice dvd to watch.

using the Hardware decoding from my soundcard. the DD and DTS sounds much better, clearer and louder.

although i m very impressed with mkv able to carry 5.1 info..

the other thing i wanna ask. can the audio codecs output spdif into my soundcard so that i can use my soundcard to decode the sound.

if i use power dvd to play, i set audio output to spdif.

anyone tried spdif output for mkv ?

Agreed. For me DVD is 50/100 only. Even on 32" HDTV LCD(1360 x768), the difference is like day and night. It is not only the resolution, but the encoding format. H264 is a much more advance encoding than the ancient MPEG-2 used in DVD, hence the superior quality.

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Added on February 3, 2009, 4:53 pmi think it has something to do with your source. Not all mkv's are ripped the same. Check out the audio bitstream info. Also some mkv's are only 2 channels MP3....

Also, your software/driver settings could also be a factor.

Lastly. what do you mean you 'output SPDIF' to ur soundcard? If you enabled the DD/DTS decoding of your sound card (also make sure ur sound card capable of DTS, not all sound card are capable to decode DTS i think), it's already been done. You only pass through the DD/DTS signal if you want to decode in an external receiver.


This post has been edited by Matrix: Feb 3 2009, 04:53 PM

in Blu-ray codecs comparison, MPEG2 acterly not too bad, subjectively, consensus say H264 is best, then followed by MPEG2, which seem to be better than VC-1/WMV but at expense of higher bit rate.. (take up more space)

so I think MPEG2 still can fight if space is not an issue (like in BD50 dual layer discs)..

enjoy the movie bro, not the PIXEL!!! u all will be missing the point soon!!!

liddat everyone should be contended with astro and VCD movies..

dvd is much better than vcd. if u contented with vcd and astro and so be it...

get a rm10 copy (not the cinema recording or fake subtitles) i 100% believe u will enjoy the movie....

pixel peeping is usually the first week when u buy the LCD/DVD player/BD/DVD

after that, a good copy is enuff....

if your display is revealing enuf, you will always be reminded of inadequate resolution of the movie directly (irritating Jagged diagonal lines) or indirectly (slight softness in upscaled video)..
that's why many people don't really notice astro crap quality (or still watchable clear transfer VCD) with their 100Hz CRT until they move on to HD flat panels..

BT is quite SLOW here

BT as in bit torrent? BT speed is ok here if you got VPN/torrentflux/webui

which one you using? rate them abit.. which one good?

i can never look at DVD the same again

i still watch dvd.....to determine if its worth getting the bd...hehe

you watch R2 dvds? they are much better in terms of resolution than R1..

those in my possessions are r1, r2, r3 and r4

no R0 ?

those music/concert dvds are region 1-6=region 0.

pron = region free

will choose VPN for download, torrentflux to seed. Guess better not discuss too much here or else kena ban lol

never really use webui before besides trial account.
but i am using both VPN and torrentflux now. haha

I truly understand your remark as mkv PQ are miles ahead of DVD (even after being upscaled).

mkv is a container

How to enjoy...when all the picture are blurrry and pixellly!!!!!

I bought original DVDs from Speedy...compared to the mkv, it looks like VCD and Astro already. Don't even wanna look at it anymore.

When i saw mkv for the first time on my 32" LCD...wah-lau...this is how my LCD is suppose to be used, not DVD, not ASTRO!!!

Every frame is like a hi-res capture from a digital camera. You don't even need a FULLHD TV to see the difference. (I bet FULL HD will be even more jaw dropping, no doubt).

er... matrix... u know wat tokin u boh?

hi-rez camera capture? wow! I tot most blockbuster? films are using film cameras?

As an analogy lar...pausing an 1080p mkv movie...and pausing a DVD movie. It's like the still shot are taken with a hi-res digital cam....on DVDs, it looks like the shot taken with handphone camera.

haha! get your meaning now.. quite true.. blurry blurry cheapo Webcam image..how to enjoy the movie hor??

oh having bigger files is better due to no compression

but as some forummer say:
1) download is slow
2) BD is expensive

i really dun believe a upscale dvd will be that bad!!! unless somebody prove me wrong that upscale DVD is like astro!!!

maybe u watch jagged lines of the clothes and hair instead of the whole movie itself...cheers

so it's back to time vs price that makes me take cheapest price and time which is DVD!!

This post has been edited by jeffbong: Feb 4 2009, 05:52 PM

If your "mean" right now only capable of DVD, so be it, it is nothing wrong. But do not saying that PQ of BD or those 720p/1080p files is not much "different" in term of PQ if compared to DVD.

Your system set-up must have screw up big time in order not to able to tell PQ different between DVD/Upscale DVD player and BluRay/720p/1080p files

And not everyone don't have the time and mean to get better quality video files:

wow Jan09 you did 1TB of transaction.. Kheng!

lol, how can be upscale DVD is like astro? DVD itself already better then astro (talking about originol DVD, or at least better copy of pirated >.<)

its just that upscale DVD is still too big difference from blu ray

and again, Blu ray is not that expansive, if buy from amazon, its just a bit more expansive than original DVD sold in speedy ( but if want to compare to pirated, then no way la)

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Added on February 4, 2009, 8:04 pmand 1TB for january >.<''''

1 new HDD every month FTW lol

This post has been edited by samlee860407: Feb 4 2009, 08:04 PM

Download is not really THAT slow if you know what BT client to use and configure and DL 24/7......small investment...

Upscale DVDs....nyehhh...my HDMI DVD player do upscale and i think so does my PC. No difference at all. It's better than ASTRO of course (provided ur DVD is good quality), but don't make
me laugh that it can even comes marginally close to a good 1080p/720p mkv rip.


If you like jagged line so much, perhaps u should stick to VCD??

Cheapest?? DL is still cheapest...best bang for buck with best price/performance...LOL.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Feb 4 2009, 08:51 PM

I'm not showing off just want to showed even in Malaysia, there is "channel" to get decent entertainments and bypassing what our G want us to swallow, let alone censorship. Of course, there will be more frustration to get decent materials compared to western world.

im so agree with u...

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Added on February 4, 2009, 10:21 pm1) download is slow - who said so
2) BD is expensive - go to GARAGE SALES, macam -macam ada..reasonable price

This post has been edited by zwanvedder: Feb 4 2009, 10:21 PM

Guys,

What do most of you use to play those mkv files?
I've seem a few NMT models from the net, but which one should I get?

Help me out, I have internet connection .. (1)
I have a rx1800 (2)
I have normal 29" TV that can't take no HDMI. (3)

Which player you guys recommend me? the WDTV does not have component out. the rest I have no idea where to start searching.

Lai, give me some options .. Oh yea (1) internet connection .. post me some links so that i can survey while in the office.

29" 4:3 TV is not a good platform to watch mkv movies. Because the aspect ratio of movies are like 2:40, 1:85 etc, you'll see a very small picture cramped by 2 huge black bars....probably no difference watching DVDs and Mkv.

Watching mkv on 29" tv is an overkill. Just watch avi is enuff.

lol , hell no

the difference of a 4gb or higher quality rip file is so much difference from a normal movie file

I think he meant watching on 29in CRT TV.. if the input is just PAL/NTSC component/svideo/composite, you won't get HD resolution anyways..

but it will still be better than those small small file >..<

maybe like very small improvement...
cos already down rez to PAL/NTSC mah..
but if the CRT can accept HD ready 1080i component, then maybe can see much better improvement when playing those HD download files..

When you watch the HDMI movie(Original) about 2-3 feet, you can easily see the pixel. But DVD(Original) can't really see it, anyone know why?

wat is a hdmi movie?

Also want to know lah, what is hdmi movie? New format ker? Ekekek

hdmi movie? me also wanna know.. hehehhe...

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Added on February 7, 2009, 1:56 pmi voted for mkv files.. definitely better than DVD... 720p vs 480p..



This post has been edited by zerorulez: Feb 7 2009, 01:56 PM

hows mkv files compared to dvd9?

btw whats the diff in pq interms of dvd9 and dvd

mkv (with H264 encoding) owns DVD9.

H264 is really amazing. I've downloaded 1 movie only 1GB+(mkv - H264) but the quality is better than the same movie with 4GB+ file encoded with Xvid. Anyone notice the same sympton? I guess Xvid really outdated already.

Disclaimer: The above was done solely for the purpose of analysing videos encoded with different codecs. All movies downloaded are promptly destroyed after 24hours after the analysis has been performed.

aiyoh.... mkv is a container
DVD9 is a dual layer DVD, how the hell can u guys compare?

Generally understood lar.

DVD-9 is MPEG-2, mkv is mostly H264, although it can be others.

i tot mkv mostly is x264

x264 is the encoder. H264 is the codec. But a lot of people just put x264 in their NFO file because they encode it using x264, hence the confusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X264

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H264

This post has been edited by Matrix: Feb 10 2009, 05:23 PM

H264 for me anytime. DVD really cant make the cut. I am as fussy as YB already.