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 Working Life in Singapore V2, FAQs, experience sharing, meet-ups

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post Dec 30 2008, 01:31 PM

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Im going to be a fresh grad and plan to go singapore work. is it hard to find job?whats the pay for a first class business student with some sales experience?
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post Dec 31 2008, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Dec 30 2008, 09:48 PM)
Now it a bit harder than 5 months ago. What do you want to work as?

Below is my company's salary structure for fresh grats:-
Business Executive - $2.2K - $2.3K
Accounts Executive - $2.5K
Admin Executive - $2.2K
IT Executive - $2.7K
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well..first class in degree of business admin wont give too much advantage eh? well..any line will do as long as im learning. since its my first official job, im more urge to learn up..but since im not too wealthy, i cant take low salary..as you see in this thread many says if earn less than 2k better dont go. hehe.if i were to apply your company, i would take up biz exec i guess.IT so high!aih..
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post Jan 9 2009, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Dec 31 2008, 09:12 PM)
Singapore's public sector has different pay scales for first class degrees. Generally 10-15% more than normal degrees.

For the private sector, a first class is not a guarantee of a higher salary. It depends on which university that first class came from. Let's just say a normal pass from Melbourne U or NUS is much better regarded than a first class from UiTM or a polytechnic uni. The rest of your resume and your interview performance plays a big part of the employer's starting salary decision.

And there's also the fact that Business Admin is not a profession like law, medicine, architecture or accountancy. Therefore a bachelor's degree in a non-professional subject will not carry the same weight, especially if you're aiming for a specialised field.
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Well, Malaysian cant work in Singapore's public sector i assume?

Private sector, sad to say that my university is not that well-known and all. My degree should b accredited though. Hope can get a little better offer or at least, better securing me the job i applying for. It'll take one year's time to complete my studies, hopefully the economy is not that bad by then. Singapore is still having recession and situation is worsening.

Something out of topic. Many people thinks that Business Admin is not professional as the field is very broad. As a BA student I can say that it is a vital function and the importance is not less than the professional. You can set up a legal firm with many experienced lawyers who can win cases, but it will still fail without good management and efficiently functioning operations such as HR, finance, account, marketing etc. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 10 2009, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jan 9 2009, 11:33 PM)
I disagree. The word I used is profession, not professional.

A profession is a collection of practitioners of a certain and specific skill. A profession contains a detailed and deep body of knowledge typically unavailable to people outside the profession. On top of that, it has a formal structure consisting of organisation, hierarchy, training, code of conduct & body of ethics. In almost all cases, the boundaries of a profession is defined by restricted membership.

By definition, a professional is someone who professes a profession. But these days, people tend to regard a professional as someone who simply takes his job and responsibilities seriously.

So no, BA is not a profession, although there are associations for office administrators.

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You can set up a legal firm with many experienced lawyers who can win cases, but it will still fail without good management and efficiently functioning operations such as HR, finance, account, marketing etc.  icon_rolleyes.gif


Each of the functions you mentioned ie. lawyers, HR, finance, accounting, marketing... each have a role that utilises a specific skill and creates tangible value for the company. A BA graduate takes classes in all these subjects but none of them in any real depth. As such, they become a jack of all trades, master of none. All BA graduates will end up working in a specific function eg. HR, finance, accounting, marketing, sales, IT etc etc and undergo on-the-job training and take professional qualifications if they intend to formally enter that profession. No company will hire a BA (Business Administration) graduate to specifically "administer their business".

Hence again, BA is not a profession.
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jack of all trades, master of none is only applied to students who are, just like you mentioned, couldnt decide their career yet (sad to say, the majority of them). But for example, there are people who specialize in marketing their product, able to do study on how to generate profit through detailed market research, effectively cutting cost, skills to manage an efficient team and all. IT, lawyers and doctors couldnt do those. to me they fit most the description of profession,which you already mention at the bolded part. no restricted membership, though. thats why one of my experienced lecturer once said business course's importance is always being overlooked. well, its just something out of topic as i mentioned earlier. we can discuss this in other thread smile.gif somehow, since singapore is firing foreigners to give ways to their own people, i think they will start with the professionals rite?engineer or IT professionals? sad.gif

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