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post Aug 27 2008, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(bbmars @ Aug 25 2008, 09:19 PM)
I think, I might be wrong, but some opinions about employing Malaysian PR.  some compaines - no need NS for male employee, no need to excuse them unlike Singaporeans.  advantages as can be seen.  but again not all like that.  PR can have better bargaining terms like locals, at least, 13month bonus is must in SG law on top of bonus if any should company do well. 

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Is 13th month pay really a must in SG law? I thought it is optional although I heard most companies in SG practicing it. But then at least my company does not pay 13th month... cry.gif
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post Aug 31 2008, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(bbmars @ Aug 28 2008, 10:32 PM)
For PR and locals, yes, in fact, its compulsary.  However, if you are on contract, I am not sure what is in the deal. So can't comment.  Locals do get that 13 month at the end of the year or as some chinese companies practice, near CNY.  However, some companies will try to be do something " bit of here and there" before giving you the full 13month.  My friend's company, only gives 1/2 month at year end and 1/2 at CNY.  But still pay 13 month.  those on contract,I believe its really in your contract, so can't ask for more. 

I work in Gov sector, although not consider civil servant, company tends to follow Gov direction. year end 13month is defaulted, then end March, depends on yourself, perofrmance bonus.  Private sector I don't know as I had already left ~14 yrs since joining this current company.  When I was out in industry, highest, was 2 months bonus, even during recession 13 month still apply.
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I am a permanent staff with PR status. In fact I checked with other colleagues who are either SG local or PR, they are same as me and get no 13th month pay. Compulsary... so bbmars do you mean that my employer is violating the labor law in SG? unsure.gif
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post Sep 1 2008, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Annie @ Sep 1 2008, 09:06 AM)
13th months is not compulsory.
http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal/en...e_Payments.html
Annual Wage Supplement

Annual Wage Supplement (AWS) is commonly known as the 13th month payment. It is a single annual payment to employees that supplements the total amount of annual wage earned by them.

Payment of AWS depends on the contractual agreement between the employer and the employee i.e. whether it is provided for in the employment contract or collective agreement.

If it is not stipulated in the employment contract, AWS payment is subject to negotiation and mutual agreement between the employer and employee, or the trade union representing the employee.

An employer is not allowed to pay an AWS of more than three months' salary if:

    * He/she agreed (either by way of an employment contract or collective agreement) to pay an AWS of up to three months' wages before the commencement of the Employment (Amendment) Act 1988 on 16 August 1988.

      However, the employer can negotiate with the employee, or the trade union representing the employee, to vary the quantum.

An employer is not allowed to pay an AWS of more than one month's wage if he/she:

    * Has not paid any AWS prior to 16 August 1988.

If business results are exceptionally poor for any year, an employer may negotiate with the employees, or the trade union representing the employees, to adjust the AWS downwards.


Added on September 1, 2008, 9:08 am
i am not an recruiter
but i know someone working in Xilinx. And their referral bonus is good.
so..just trying to earn some extra income.
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Wow, this is great info for me as I'm looking forward a job switch. Thanks Annie. smile.gif

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post Sep 2 2008, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(bbmars @ Sep 1 2008, 11:39 PM)
Depending on which one you go, usually on the last day, clearance sales.... but I can't say all the time, went afew of tem, that's what they usually do.  If you can find things that are available in Sim Lim too, chances are they are much cheaper than SL.  That's why I go there shop when near to Fair period.

As for 13 month thing, SG Gov is trying to get companies to go onto variable component in their pay package.  All Gov sectors are doing it.  Besides the 13 month, if SG economy do well, Gov give out extra bonus on top of 13 month.  Part of the extra comes from these variable component.  in case of recession, Gov wil lcut the variable component, keeping the fixed salary alone. bonus of course, don't have, but 13 month is fixed.
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Please forgive my laziness from doing research, can someone tell me if there is a specific definition on variable component? My employer does pay variable component but the way it works sounds "weird" to me. Let say company promises one that the salary when joining is 2K and will be raise to 2.3K upon end of probation. However, eventually the promised increment will be stated as variable component. In this case, the employment letter does not mention specifically if the $300 will be coming from basic salary or variable component. Now my doubt is that, when company is not perform well or encounter recession, is it legal for employer to pay you only 2K rather than the promised 2.3K? Hope someone can enlighten me a bit tongue.gif
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post Sep 3 2008, 07:11 AM

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QUOTE(bbmars @ Sep 3 2008, 12:12 AM)
No, I had worked with local companies and MNC too, both pay me 13 month.    One of the company, boss from HK, Malaysian machinists also get 13 month... in fact, minority were locals.  Sorry, I had not really refer to the guidelines for donkey years.... those days, it was a recommended guidelines only... but lots have changed including no. of leaves, no longer guidelines, but as a law now.  Some I don't really know what else is new and changed.  However, just now over news, Gov is seeking public feedback on employment issue, on what I don't know.  Tomorrow news paper I see can find anything about what they looking forward to change if any.


Added on September 3, 2008, 12:24 am

I just tried, hope I don't mess up.  This variable component is something which SG Gov introduced beccause it claimed, heart ache to cut pay. So make some part of salary variable. when times are bad, only cut back on this variable portion (may varies ), not the fixed salary part.  Like Fuel surcharge.  Fuel price down, no need to charge, helps company to stay alive longer to ride out teh bad times by not giving out the variable portion instead of retrenching people, which is more drastic.  People loose their jobs, not even a single cent as income.  This was obvious in the last recession in SG... so SG Gov is urging companies to practice this to avoid retrenching workers.  In fact, all Gov related agencies follow this rule,  This has been practice for years even before I join the Gov service, something which had been implemented long ago during LKY's time, not sure GLC does that.

I work in Gov sector, my pay slip has it all stated clearly, what is variable and is not.  Bonus issued also inclusive of these variable component as a whole. So the variable part may be taken away because of that.  I think its part of the  guidelines, but now made law, practice in Gov sector and some unionised companies, bigger ones too, like SIA, etc...  I guess that's the reason why its not reflected in your appointment letter because it being variable component.
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I see... I think for next job I have to ask and request employer to state it clearly on employment letter. Let say a job with $3K salary is actually consists of $2K basic salary + $1K variable component, that really sounds unsafe to me blush.gif . In many application forms (i.e. job app), $2K vs $3K basic salary makes a big difference tongue.gif
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post Sep 5 2008, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(bbmars @ Sep 3 2008, 06:01 PM)
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I do see merits in the variable portion, just that I am afraid some companies may take advantage of the situation and take advantage of its workers.  So be sure what is written clearly if on contract. 
this morning, I chated with a foodcourt chinese national selling fishball noodle, she told me she is entitled to 13month bonus too.
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Agree with you. I guess just have to be smart lo.
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post Sep 7 2008, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(shanelai @ Sep 7 2008, 12:02 PM)
Guys, do you ppl download those tvb series or any other movie using bit comet or xunlei?? Will be it get caught if we download using those client software?
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Tried it before? ==> no
Will get caught? ==> depends on luck
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post Sep 12 2008, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(siren @ Sep 11 2008, 08:42 PM)
Ya, datz rite. Halal punya babi means if those plates and spoons have touch the babi after being eaten by chinese, the malay still can eat them after washed them (no nid to sembayang) OR if the malay stall is operating next to a char siew fan stall, the malay won't mind if the smell of the babi goes to the malay stall...bcos it is halal punya babi..

This is wat u call unique and racial equality.. where u can always see malay and chinese stall operating together in a food court peacefully.
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After order dumplings which inside got pork, very often I will feel dilemma if I should order teh tarik from Malay store... sweat.gif
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post Nov 5 2008, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(J(o)y @ Nov 5 2008, 08:23 PM)
Dude, i knew that. That's what i reiriterated in my bracket lar.

Im asking, whether isit by law PR must be offered 13 months salary? as opposed to the normaly 12 mths salary. I.e. whether PR really have such a privelage?
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I posted this question recently. Base on other forumer's input, 13th month in SG is common but not compulsory.
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post Nov 8 2008, 09:46 PM

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Is it consider too early if we try to get CNY bus ticket now?
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post Nov 14 2008, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(wu ming @ Nov 14 2008, 04:59 PM)
My friend will be coming for this afa08.

Anybody else coming? hmm.gif
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I am interesting on it but might not be able to make it, coz have to attend a wedding dinner in Malaysia sad.gif
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post Nov 16 2008, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(nicvoo @ Nov 15 2008, 05:02 PM)
duno whr u talking about hehe
i ate near aljunide station one
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Near Aljunied station got one dim sum named Wan Dou Sek (Cantonese, I guess it means found nice food).
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post Nov 16 2008, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(Linux_Guy @ Nov 16 2008, 03:55 PM)
Well do count me in for dim sum le !!!

been awhile since i ate dim sum ... biggrin.gif
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I thought you work at Cyber Jaya? tongue.gif
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post Nov 17 2008, 11:06 PM

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I got a feeling that my company will exercise pay cut... or even retrenchment. Is it compulsory for a company to pay (or compensate?) employee for retrenchment?
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post Nov 18 2008, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(Annie @ Nov 18 2008, 07:59 AM)
normally 1 month pay for each year of service, plus the notice (1 or 2 month depend on offer)
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Thanks for the info smile.gif
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post Nov 19 2008, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(clsia1001 @ Nov 18 2008, 11:29 PM)
so now/next year is not good time to jump ship to Singapore ya? :think: :erm:
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I am still looking forward a job switch but SG-SG.
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post Nov 20 2008, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(wu ming @ Nov 20 2008, 12:35 PM)
Yea, washabushi is right. Temporarily hold on to your job first. Maybe start to switch once the economic condition has stabilised.
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Thanks for the advice. No doubt for now the economy is bad, of course have to be extra careful... smile.gif But then..., let say economy takes one to two years to recover, I'm afraid I can't afford to spend that much time on a job which adds no more value, yet working like hell with peanut pay (hmm... I guess I sounds like desperated) blush.gif that will be kinda sad.

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post Dec 3 2008, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Dec 3 2008, 02:37 PM)
My advice is PLS Don't TAKE TRAIN.... as the trains got cockroaches and banana skins....!!!!!
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But not necessarily dirtier than bus right? Those things can happen too if take bus smile.gif I encountered cockroaches before while taking bus though the bus looks pretty new tongue.gif

QUOTE(mONSTers @ Dec 3 2008, 06:28 PM)
hi guys, need some advice on the PR application at the lavander ICA building. Possible go there on Saturday morning? I means really in the early early morning. Will it already be very crowded? Possible still be able the get the Q ticket? No e-appointment. Thx
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Last time I submitted my PR application on Saturday, reached the building area around 7:50am, there was a seriously long queue waiting for me before I can enter the building, and I was the last one who got the Q. So better go as EARLY as possible smile.gif

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post Jan 7 2009, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(hkhk @ Jan 7 2009, 09:56 AM)
Lucky for my company. Slightly affected for this moment.
In fact my company has a mission to absorb those "Talent".
If you have good profile in research. You are welcomed to join. Things will be easier if you have postgrad degree or a well knowned Uni's degree.
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Research for which field?
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post Jan 11 2009, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Uchiha Itachi @ Jan 11 2009, 11:34 PM)
The e-appointment for PR seems to be full for this whole year...  sweat.gif  What can I do to get PR quick?
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Just to share my experience... I made e-appointment too while I was applying PR. Guess what? I still have to wait for 3 hours plus beyond the appointment time (appointment was on 1pm but I settled the business after 4pm). Reason? I was told by the officer that nowadays everyone went through by e-appointment thus it actually won't make the waiting process too much shorter. Can't imagine what will happen to those with appointment says on 3pm or later. I wonder if I am the only one who encountered this... blush.gif In fact I thought this kind of circumstances only happen in Malaysia's government body tongue.gif

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