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post Aug 13 2008, 12:17 PM, updated 18y ago

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Apple CEO Steve Jobs has confirmed that the iPhone 3G has a kill switch that can remotely remove software from the devices.

Jobs told The Wall Street Journal that Apple needs the capability in case it inadvertently allows a malicious program -- such as an application that steals user's personal data -- to be distributed to iPhones through its App Store.

"Hopefully we never have to pull that lever, but we would be irresponsible not to have a lever like that to pull," Jobs said.

Switch Not Used

Jobs' statement reveals Apple hasn't used the kill switch yet, but the company did remove an application from the App Store last week.

Apple removed the $999 "I Am Rich" application, which had the sole purpose of showing people the owner has money. The program creates a red icon that sits on the iPhone deck with a the words "I Am Rich" underneath. After the user activates the application, it glows on the handset like a ruby.

Apple initially approved the application, which bumps up against the pricing limit for applications sold on its App Store. The company was not immediately available for comment on why it decided to pull the plug.

Disappearing Acts

But the real controversy started when Jonathan Zdziarski, author of the books iPhone Open Application Development and iPhone Forensics Manual, discovered a URL buried in Apple's firmware. That URL links to a file dubbed "unauthorizedApps" where malicious or simply bad apps might go once they disappear from the App Store.

According to Zdziarski, I Am Rich isn't the only app to disappear. BoxOffice (renamed to Now Playing) and NullRiver's NetShare were also removed. But removing the applications from the App Store and removing them from a consumer's iPhone are two different issues.

"The kill switch is a very controlling gesture. I am not sure why Apple didn't disclose it up front as simply a security measure," said Avi Greengart, an analyst at Current Analysis. "Consumers will accept an awful lot if you let them know what they are accepting."

What Else is Apple Hiding?

In the past, Jobs has said he wants to be careful not to allow applications to bring down the network. Greengart doesn't see that as a major threat, especially since Apple is approving the applications.

However, Greengart said he's less concerned with the "heavy-handed and Big Brotherish" kill switch than the fact that Apple didn't disclose it in the first place. As far as he knows, no other mobile phone has a kill-switch capability.

"To my way of thinking, the issue is that you don't really know what your phone might be doing or not be doing," Greengart said. "I am not 100 percent sure what the capability is or is not. That is the problem. What is the capability? When might they use it? When wouldn't they use it? Is there anything else Apple is not disclosing?"


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post Aug 13 2008, 12:20 PM

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I think only those who are planning to launch apps with malicious intent, or those who have pirated apps inside their iPhones would worry about this. IF you are legit, there is nothing to worry about, the law is on your side.
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post Aug 13 2008, 01:45 PM

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meaning those to those that cracked apps will be deleted ? how often does the kill switch thing occur?
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post Aug 13 2008, 01:46 PM

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Even if anyone knows, I'd rather that info not being made public. Let the pirates squirm in their shoes.
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post Aug 13 2008, 01:50 PM

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buy original hehehe...

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post Aug 13 2008, 01:56 PM

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ahaks, funny.. they wont be able to do that via telco provider
unless u connected with itunes with active internet connection..

but again, its only apply to i3g, the 1st gen dont have this tongue.gif

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lol the problem is more ppl prefer pirated stuff with the saying why pay for it when u can get it free ?
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post Aug 13 2008, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Aug 13 2008, 01:56 PM)
they wont be able to do that via telco provider
unless u connected with itunes with active internet connection..
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i think it's achievable even without connecting to iTunes on computer. even we can now install application through AppStore on the iPhone itself, so it's also possible to kill apps remotely.
unless we r not connecting our iPhone to the internet via data plan or wifi. mmm...i see that to be defeating the purpose of iPhone as the internet in our pocket.

QUOTE(gengstapo @ Aug 13 2008, 01:56 PM)
but again, its only apply to i3g, the 1st gen dont have this tongue.gif
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looks like it will be applicable for all iPhone installed with 2.0 and above as it has something to do with configuration file inside CoreLocation.
but what i'm afraid though is how much it will affect the jailbreak apps.

https://iphone-services.apple.com/clbl/unauthorizedApps

bout pirated apps, mmm just get original apps. i have no worry on that, just worrying on cydia apps...
...but make sure u don't buy the USD999 "I Am Rich" app.

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this app is very suitable for the million ringgit seller icon_rolleyes.gif

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The Kill Switch is built within firmware 2.0. So it affect all gen iphones that's having firmware 2.0.

From iphonehacks:

Apple seems to have implemented this mechanism in iPhone firmware 2.0 to give them some control on iPhone Apps that have already been installed on the iPhone. We are guessing that Apple will use this mechanism only when they want to deactivate a malicious iPhone app.

Heard that iphone calls home(apple) once in a while too.

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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Aug 13 2008, 01:56 PM)
ahaks, funny.. they wont be able to do that via telco provider
unless u connected with itunes with active internet connection..

but again, its only apply to i3g, the 1st gen dont have this tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kelvin_tan @ Aug 13 2008, 01:57 PM)
lol the problem is more ppl prefer pirated stuff with the saying why pay for it when u can get it free ?
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Why are people laughing and gloating when they say these things? Are they PROUD that they are leeching off someone elses's hard work for free? Can I get USD4.99 or USD9.99 from your pockets now if you're so proud of doing this, because that's basically what you just did to these people. shakehead.gif


Added on August 13, 2008, 2:26 pm
QUOTE(davidgary73 @ Aug 13 2008, 02:19 PM)
The Kill Switch is built within firmware 2.0. So it affect all gen iphones that's having firmware 2.0.

From iphonehacks:

Apple seems to have implemented this mechanism in iPhone firmware 2.0 to give them some control on iPhone Apps that have already been installed on the iPhone. We are guessing that Apple will use this mechanism only when they want to deactivate a malicious iPhone app.

Heard that iphone calls home(apple) once in a while too.
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I secretly hope that is not all it does. They need to teach these pirates a lesson.

If you look at the background of the apps developers in the AppStore, they are not some megacorporate entities, they are simple human beings like you and me. Some worked off their bedrooms and basements, for crying out loud. Give these people their dues for their hard work.

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d4mn.this discourage me to move to 2.0.1 sad.gif
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post Aug 13 2008, 02:42 PM

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Because you pirate much?
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post Aug 13 2008, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(TeK_KeN @ Aug 13 2008, 02:36 PM)
d4mn.this discourage me to move to 2.0.1 sad.gif
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chill laa, no matter what they do, im confident there will always away to avoid this
im sure those pwner would lead us to the correct path tongue.gif

regarding the pirated stuff, i dont have comment. its up to ppl intention to use or leave em'..
its their own phone, they shall know how to use em wisely..

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post Aug 13 2008, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Aug 13 2008, 02:44 PM)
im sure those pwner would lead us to the correct path tongue.gif
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this is LoL.but me also put my trust in them.
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I thought as much. There's nothing to fear if you know you didnt do anything wrong. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TeK_KeN @ Aug 13 2008, 02:47 PM)
this is LoL.but me also put my trust in them.
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if u wouldnt trust em', then just stick to the 1.1.x.. would be much happy coz no need afraid of this killer switch by apple
since i trust em'.. im running 2.0 & now 2.0.1 already..

hahaa
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I just hope these kinds of people are in the minority. Tainting the good name of Apple only. Once hacks and cracks becomes abundant, then you'll see every Apple product behaving like its shoddier counterpart: A PC....all buggy and unstable. Defeats a purpose of getting an Apple product. whistling.gif
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Sadly, piracy will always be around and this is the only first step for apple to make sure everything stay intact within apples domain/regulations.

I guess more security measures will be implemented on the coming firmware.


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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 13 2008, 02:55 PM)
I just hope these kinds of people are in the minority. Tainting the good name of Apple only. Once hacks and cracks becomes abundant, then you'll see every Apple product behaving like its shoddier counterpart: A PC....all buggy and unstable. Defeats a purpose of getting an Apple product. whistling.gif
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dya think im the only 1 in LYN here using pwnage/ winpwn method?
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The main allure of an Apple product is its relatively rock-hard stability, which need little to no frequent maintainance from the end user. Introducing hacks and cracks into this produces instability, and defeats the purpose of using an Apple in the first place.

If that is the case, why not move to Samsung Omnia or the disgusting Touch? Or are these folks waiting for the multitouch patent or all the iPhone advantages to be widespread and ditch iPhone altogether?
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post Aug 13 2008, 03:02 PM

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more pirate then more firmware will be produce.this will go on untill they shoot the pirate.
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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Aug 13 2008, 03:01 PM)
dya think im the only 1 in LYN here using pwnage/ winpwn method?
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Im not talking about the pwnage/winpwn. Im talking about people pirating the apps from Appstore. You've already own the most desirable piece of mobile platform known to man, yet you skimp on a measly USD4.99 for a hacked app?

Hell, even during the good old 1.1.4 days, there were even people asking for a hack/crack for 3rd party apps!! Hack/cracks for iPhoneVideoRecorder , SwirlyMSS or even Showtime, and these arent even Apple's Apps in Appstore, these are from the very same people who brought you the very tool you use to unlock/jailbreak your iPhone so you can use it! Do some people have no shame that they are willing to screw the very people who made their iPhone-using experience happen, just because they are too cheap to support the very same people who gave them that privilege FOR FREE?


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QUOTE(TeK_KeN @ Aug 13 2008, 03:02 PM)
more pirate then more firmware will be produce.this will go on untill they shoot the pirate.
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I agree on this, I all for the advancement of the firmware, but to those cheapasses who pirate even the most measly of Apps in Appstore, that gets my blood boiling. I remember my roots, I came from an activate/jailbreak/unlock background myself, hell I wrote the revirginizing thread in this forum! But please give these App developers a break by supporting them, they charge appropriately for their Apps, and you get proper support through the Apple AppStore channel. Some of them came from the same people who provided you free repositories for your previously 1.1.x apps! Why are you screwing them now just because they are on AppStore and asking for appropriate payment for their hardwork, but praised them to high heaven during the 1.1.x days when they provide things for free? Are you THAT cheap?

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 13 2008, 03:06 PM)
I agree on this, I all for the advancement of the firmware, but to those cheapasses who pirate even the most measly of Apps in Appstore, that gets my blood boiling. I remember my roots, I came from an activate/jailbreak/unlock background myself, hell I wrote the revirginizing thread in this forum! But please give these App developers a break by supporting them, they charge appropriately for their Apps, and you get proper support through the Apple AppStore channel. Some of them came from the same people who provided you free repositories for your previously 1.1.x apps! Why are you screwing them now just because they are on AppStore and asking for appropriate payment for their hardwork, but praised them to high heaven during the 1.1.x days when they provide things for free? Are you THAT cheap?
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well this explain a lot.buy ORIGINAL!
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Precisely. These apps dont come out of thin air.
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The "I Am Rich" incident was seriously hilarious enough to keep me rolling for quite some time there. laugh.gif I mean, one of the 8 *ahem* smarties *ahem* who purchased the thing even claimed it to be an accidental purchase. And well, although it would make a great publicity stunt for any corporate, this money isn't even going to a good cause shakehead.gif Some lucky arse just landed himself with USD $8,000 for less than an hour's worth of objective C....

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hahahaha... i oso wan that "i am rich" apps... but i dun hav 2.0fw and i dun have money...

i need donations! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Samanoske Akechi @ Aug 13 2008, 04:09 PM)
Some lucky arse just landed himself with USD $8,000 for less than an hour's worth of objective C....
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don't forget 70/30 deal!
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I deserv it        <-----FAIL
I am good,
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i want I Am Poor.

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U can preach and comment all day string but in the end, it boils down to the person itself. If its their habit of "why pay when u can get free", then there's nothing we can do. If you want to try the app first then its ok since appstore don't have a preview or 'test drive' for the app. If you like it then pay for it, it can be a motivation/incentive for the dev to produce more and better apps in the future.

p/s - I really don't understand why in the first place apple let this 'I am rich' app loose in the appstore. Thats why they put the failsafe switch in fw 2.0 so if there's a malicious app that got thru their so called "app validation process", they can kill it off from the phone, to protect the users. I don't think they can detect who's using cracked apps with the kill switch. The black list only holds the app name that deem to be dangerous/malicious. Thats just my 2 cents.
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Which is what I am talking about. Giving these people their dues. You wont see me defending the likes of the devs that create crapwares like the "I am Rich" app, that one DESERVES to be pirated for all its worth.

My point here is give these people their dues, something they deserve, be it good (in terms of a purchase to continue supporting them to make more great apps), or teaching those devs who are crazily pricing their apps with astronomical prices. It already had worked with Cro-Mag Rally, with their lowered price now.

Piracy here is a double-edged sword, but Malaysians seems to be using the edge that convenient them most. Orang lain pun nak makan jugak bang!
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all... all these back to the basic, product intellectual !
with the "Why Pay More When You Can Get Free".... "firmware" being set in most of the users,
I don't think they will put on someone's shoes ! That is a sad thing indeed....

Same concept goes to this :
Imagine... you have written a great great Apps.... and someone managed to crack/hack it then spreads it out for FREE.
What is your feeling by then ?

So.... please support ORIGINAL !!
If you are not before.... then DO IT NOW !

I don't think it is considered EXPENSIVE for those Apps in AppStore. Why ?
With the exact same games (for example), for iPhone/iPod Touch, it costs less than USD10.00
However... for computer platforms... it definitely costs more than that.
So... do u think it's still expensive ? You make your own judgement on that wisely...




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Well said my friend. Like most of us here said too ... If u can afford 1k plus phone, takkan la u can't afford RM30 app. Don't la go buy 20-30 app cost usd9.90 in one go ... of course la expensive. There's lots of good stuff in appstore and some of them are free.

p/s - Right now i'm hooked in playing chopper. Damn addictive la. Worth the USD7.99 spent (baru RM25.57). Not so crazy about the overly hype SMB.
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QUOTE(frozzbyte @ Aug 14 2008, 02:10 AM)
@friends
Well said my friend. Like most of us here said too ... If u can afford 1k plus phone, takkan la u can't afford RM30 app. Don't la go buy 20-30 app cost usd9.90 in one go ... of course la expensive. There's lots of good stuff in appstore and some of them are free.

p/s - Right now i'm hooked in playing chopper. Damn addictive la. Worth the USD7.99 spent (baru RM25.57). Not so crazy about the overly hype SMB.
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Yepp.... there are many FREE + COOLS Apps or Games too !
Check out via iTunes....

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