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TSBZR101
post Aug 12 2008, 01:12 PM, updated 18y ago

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hi,any one know how much the legal fees for house at RM210k??

thanks....
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post Aug 12 2008, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(BZR101 @ Aug 12 2008, 01:12 PM)
hi,any one know how much the legal fees for house at RM210k??

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this is for new purchase or refinancing?


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post Aug 12 2008, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(rico_hard82 @ Aug 12 2008, 02:40 PM)
this is for new purchase or refinancing?
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2nd house,free hold,new purchase...2 storey house

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post Aug 12 2008, 03:34 PM

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legal fees is around 1920. on top of that there is a 5% govt tax, then stamp duty, which costs a bomb. stamp duty is 3200, but you might be eligible for the 50% discount being offered by lhdn, meaning you pay 1600 only.

on top of that, there are other charges, like stamping of the s&p, which is rm10 per copy, registration at the land office title search etc.

it is good to have an idea of what the fees is, and how its calculated, so you dont get cheated. so many cases of lawyers cheating out there.
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post Aug 12 2008, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(BZR101 @ Aug 12 2008, 03:21 PM)
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S&P = 21k
NON ZMC = RM 10772.65
ZMC = RM 3016



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johnsonm
post Aug 12 2008, 04:24 PM

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my calculations above are for the sale and purchase agreement only.

what are your calculations for rizal? i don't get it.
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post Aug 12 2008, 05:17 PM

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for the non zero moving cost
you need to pay
for the
valuer
loan agreement
mot
stamp duty

this is the amount that you need to prepare if you take the non ZMC

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post Aug 12 2008, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(johnsonm @ Aug 12 2008, 03:34 PM)
legal fees is around 1920. on top of that there is a 5% govt tax, then stamp duty, which costs a bomb. stamp duty is 3200, but you might be eligible for the 50% discount being offered by lhdn, meaning you pay 1600 only.

on top of that, there are other charges, like stamping of the s&p, which is rm10 per copy, registration at the land office title search etc.

it is good to have an idea of what the fees is, and how its calculated, so you dont get cheated. so many cases of lawyers cheating out there.
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so cheap??why my lawyer quote me RM 2800,and he say the fees already less about 40%..???

ya,the stamp duty less 50%,i pay RM 1600.

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post Aug 12 2008, 07:03 PM

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is 2800 including the stamp duty or legal fees alone?
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post Aug 12 2008, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(BZR101 @ Aug 12 2008, 05:51 PM)
so cheap??why my lawyer quote me RM 2800,and he say the fees already less about 40%..???

ya,the stamp duty less 50%,i pay RM 1600.
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Even firm has different pricing.
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post Aug 12 2008, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(rico_hard82 @ Aug 12 2008, 04:08 PM)
S&P = 21k
NON ZMC = RM 10772.65
ZMC = RM 3016
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QUOTE(rico_hard82 @ Aug 12 2008, 05:17 PM)
for the non zero moving cost
you need to pay
for the
valuer
loan agreement
mot
stamp duty

this is the amount that you need to prepare if you take the non ZMC
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Are you sure?
Valuation report normally only cost a few hundred.
S&P and loan agreement basically cost around the same price. Thus If conservatively calculate everything, it only adds up to RM7k - 8k max.
Why would S&P cost RM21k?! Which cut throat lawyer?


Added on August 12, 2008, 7:29 pm
QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Aug 12 2008, 07:26 PM)
Even firm has different pricing.
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Different pricing comes from the "Misc. charges" they charged. Else the common fees are quite standardize according to property (S&P) and loan (FI's mortgage loan) value.


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post Aug 12 2008, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Aug 12 2008, 07:27 PM)
Are you sure?
Valuation report normally only cost a few hundred.
S&P and loan agreement basically cost around the same price. Thus If conservatively calculate everything, it only adds up to RM7k - 8k max.
Why would S&P cost RM21k?! Which cut throat lawyer?


Added on August 12, 2008, 7:29 pmDifferent pricing comes from the "Misc. charges" they charged. Else the common fees are quite standardize according to property (S&P) and loan (FI's mortgage loan) value.
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the S&P rm21k is the 10% deposit
not the lawyer fee,

that is the amount u need to prepare to buying a house
it consider wasteful l8r need to take personal loan or credit card


Added on August 12, 2008, 10:25 pm
QUOTE(b00n @ Aug 12 2008, 07:27 PM)
Are you sure?
Valuation report normally only cost a few hundred.
S&P and loan agreement basically cost around the same price. Thus If conservatively calculate everything, it only adds up to RM7k - 8k max.
Why would S&P cost RM21k?! Which cut throat lawyer?


Added on August 12, 2008, 7:29 pmDifferent pricing comes from the "Misc. charges" they charged. Else the common fees are quite standardize according to property (S&P) and loan (FI's mortgage loan) value.
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the S&P rm21k is the 10% deposit
not the lawyer fee,

that is the amount u need to prepare to buying a house
it consider wasteful l8r need to take personal loan or credit card



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post Aug 12 2008, 11:43 PM

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rico_hard 82,

u r not answering the topic and u r confusing ppl.
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QUOTE(rico_hard82 @ Aug 12 2008, 10:23 PM)
the S&P rm21k is the 10% deposit
not the lawyer fee,

that is the amount u need to prepare to buying a house
it consider wasteful l8r need to take personal loan or credit card
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Now you're seriously confusing.....
Deposit is between the buyer and the seller. Whereas after the bank evaluates the property, they can decide on how much amount of loan is entitled for the said property. So it's basically up to the buyer to loan 100% if the bank allows, or 90% 80% etc....
If there's no loan (buyer buy by cash), than the only fee to be paid is the S&P lawyer fee, stamp duty, change of deeds and title etc...

So what's the 10% deposit are we talking about again?! rclxub.gif

Anyone else with better explanation?!
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post Aug 12 2008, 11:48 PM

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let's stick to the S&P question, for a 210K property, all in for the fees (after discount of 30%) n stamp duty n other charges, should be around 6K or less.
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post Aug 13 2008, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Aug 12 2008, 11:48 PM)
let's stick to the S&P question, for a 210K property, all in for the fees (after discount of 30%) n stamp duty n other charges, should be around 6K or less.
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ya,now total i pay is RM2800(legal fees + misc charges) + stamp duty RM 3200 = 6000.

but stamp duty less 50% now,only RM 1600,total = 4400.

is the fees ok?standard?? smile.gif
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post Aug 13 2008, 10:31 AM

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yup its cost around 6k
i forget to plus the Memorandum of Transfer in it,
here the full calculation

Zero moving cost

s&p (210k)
1st 150k x 1% = 1500
2nd 60k x 0.7% =420
legal fee = 1920

5% tax = 96
disbursment = 1000(+-) (misc. charge, myb higher or lower)

total = 3016.00

mot (210k) (based on the purchase price)
1st 100k x 1%= 1000
2nd 110k x2% = 2200

total = 3200 (50% discount if this is your 1st house you brought) (property more than 250k, NO Discount!!)


if non moving cost need to extra this

loan (189k) ( assume the bank give 90% loan)
1st 150k x 1% = 1500
2nd 39k x 0.7% = 273
legal fee = 1773

5% tax = 88.65
disbursment = 1000(-+)(misc. charge, myb higher or lower)
Total = 1861.65

execution of loan doc (189k) (based on loan)
189k x 0.5% = 945

Value (based on the purchase price)
1st 100k x 0.25% = 250
2nd 110k x 0.20% = 220
total = 470


if you take the zero moving cost
S&P agreement + mot =

if you take the Non zero moving cost
S&P agreement + mot + Loan facility agreement + execution loan doc + valuation =


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post Aug 13 2008, 12:59 PM

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rico, you are just confusing everyone. i think even you don't understand some of the things you are typing.

BZR101, the fees is still a bit high. should be able to go down a bit more.
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post Aug 13 2008, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(johnsonm @ Aug 13 2008, 12:59 PM)
rico, you are just confusing everyone. i think even you don't understand some of the things you are typing.

BZR101, the fees is still a bit high. should be able to go down a bit more.
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ha ha ha
this is how the lawyer will confuse you biggrin.gif
the misc charges is up to the laywer, here is where they can raise the price or discount to you

= (legal fee + misc charges/disbursment) + (stamp duty)
= (1920+ 880) + (1600)

RM 4400 is consider ok

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post Aug 13 2008, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(rico_hard82 @ Aug 13 2008, 01:44 PM)
ha ha ha 
this is how the lawyer will confuse you  biggrin.gif
the misc charges is up to the laywer, here is where they can raise the price or discount to you

= (legal fee + misc charges/disbursment) + (stamp duty)
= (1920+ 880) + (1600)

RM 4400 is consider ok
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thanks so much to u all,u guys really helpful rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

just call the lawyer,he told me cause my house got title already,so need some charges for transfer title..anyway,i have to pay it today... biggrin.gif

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post Aug 13 2008, 04:59 PM

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BZR101, freehold, and with title, means you have to pay rm300 for registration fee, rm30 for title search, rm10 for adjudication fees, rm40 for stamping the s&p. that totals up to rm380. add the legal fees 1920 and stamp duty 1600, and the 5% tax which is 96, total is 3996.

that means you are being charged rm400 for printing, telephone calls, courier, travelling postage etc. a bit too high if you ask me. further, no discount given.

let me guess, this lawyer was recommended by some bank officer? your discount will probably go into the officer's pocket biggrin.gif
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Tumpang thread, need to purchase a 2nd hand condo cost 165k.

I got 2 different quotations from 2 firms, just wonder why are some items are different.

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FIRM A
1.  Preparation of Memorandum of Transfer                                  = 1605
2.  Preparation of Private Caveat/Withdrawal of Private Caveat for  = 350
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3.  Preparation of Borang I                                                          = 50

Disbursements:-

1. Stamp Duty on Sale and Purchase Agreement                            = 40
2. Stamp Duty on Memorandum of Transfer (after 50%)                  = 1150
3. Adjudication fee on Memorandum of Transfer                              = 10
4. Registration Fee on Memorandum of Transfer                              = 250
5. Registration Fee for Entry of Private Caveat                                = 150
6. Registration Fee for Withdrawal of Private Caveat                        = 100
7. Land search                                                                              = 120
8. Bankruptcy searches                                                                = 80
9.  Affirming fee for Statutory Declaration                                      = 30
10. Travelling expenses                                                                = 50
11. Telephone, Fax  & Courier charges                                            = 80
12. Miscellaneous                                                                          = 50
13. 5% Government Tax                                                                = 100.25

TOTAL                                                                                          = 4215.25
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FIRM B
Transfer on property                          = 1,605.00 
Service Tax 5%                        = 80.25 
     
Disbursement     
Title Search                        = 80.00 
Adjudication                        = 10.00 
Stamp Duty on Sale & Purchase Agreement        = 40.00 
Stamp Duty on Deed of Assignment & Copies (before 50%)                = 2,330.00 
Travelling          = 50.00 
Printing, Postages & Telephone                                                      = 50.00 
Miscellanous          = 50.00
Total:          = 4,295.25
Let's ignore the stamping duty as 1 is before 50%, another is after 50%.

1) Can i know why 1 is transfer of property, another 1 is MOT? If both are the same things, why FIRM A got charge those adjustcation fee and registration fee of MOT while FIRM B not?
2) Can i know why FIRM A got charge for private caveat while FIRM B no?

Thanks.
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quick question. is it logic for s&p cost around 9k for 330k house in kuantan?
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Nov 4 2008, 04:52 PM)
Tumpang thread, need to purchase a 2nd hand condo cost 165k.

I got 2 different quotations from 2 firms, just wonder why are some items are different.
Let's ignore the stamping duty as 1 is before 50%, another is after 50%.

1) Can i know why 1 is transfer of property, another 1 is MOT? If both are the same things, why FIRM A got charge those adjustcation fee and registration fee of MOT while FIRM B not?
2) Can i know why FIRM A got charge for private caveat while FIRM B no?

Thanks.
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Ask the 2 lawyers to explain the charges. The RM 250 for MOT is paid to the land office and you can't run away from it. You might want to check that Firm B has given you a complete quote of all expenses and disbursements.

The private caveat is optional and you can decide whether you need it or not. Placing a caveat provides protection by preventing the property from being transfered (eg. prevents the the seller from transferring the house to someone else after collecting your deposit.) You get the lawyers to advice whether the caveat is necessary.


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post Jan 19 2009, 09:51 PM

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this link is quite usefull to calculate s&p and loan legal fee. http://www.money3.com.my/MalaysiaFinancial...Calculator.aspx

for 165k property

Legal Fee 1,605.00
5% Service Tax 80.25
Est. Disbursement Fees 1,000.00 (normally ask lawyer discount here)
Stamp Duty 2,300.00 (50% for 1st time buyer)

total: 3835.25

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post Jan 19 2009, 10:19 PM

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Stamp Duty have to pay 1st then reimburse...
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mind me asking besides legal fees.......one should also pay the insurance.....so fo ur 210k house.....how much do you pay on insuranse per month hmm.gif
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do we have to pay the mot charges immediatly after signing s &p for completed properties? can we delay the mot payment until withdrawal of epf?
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usually mot charges is only 10%o f the SPA fees (usually a feww hundred only)...and you do usually have to pay upfront...

 

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