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DIY T-Amp user/diyer come here :), TA2024 complete build board diy

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post Aug 16 2008, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(mysghooi @ Aug 16 2008, 06:14 PM)
hi jazzy939 the EX5 battery got Red and black which one to connect to +12v and which one to connect to ground?
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Red to 12V+ and black to GND, make sure your battery is fully charged tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:21 PM

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See attached picture for reference.

The RED wire on the right is the positive, ie "+"
The BLACK wire on the LEFT is negative or GROUND, "-"

These will be clearly marked on the T-Amp board. Don't mess up, otherwise the board/chip will be permanently damage!

QUOTE(mysghooi @ Aug 16 2008, 06:14 PM)
hi jazzy939 the EX5 battery got Red and black which one to connect to +12v and which one to connect to ground?
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(ongbs @ Aug 16 2008, 06:17 PM)
..make sure your battery is fully charged tongue.gif
But when the battery is fully charged, the voltage can sometimes be as high as 14 volts....wouldn't that be bad? Perhaps a simple 12 v voltage regulator would be useful?
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:24 PM

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I'm a lil lost here. How old is your son if you're only 36? shocking.gif


QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Aug 16 2008, 05:55 PM)
...The blue 'gigantic' EPCOS cap was recommended by my son as he says, that cap received rave reviews about it's sonic performance, ...
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:25 PM

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the chip is good up till 16v

mostly ppl are setting it up at 13.8v

btw jazzy, battery is better? i tot i read smps is the best, nvrmind try it out and let us know!!

this board is fun, im tesing out half filter theory at the output now
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:28 PM

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Bro March,

My son is my second set of ears as he is much more critical listener than I am..
also my eardrums at this age has definitely deteriorated..wink.gif Too much exposure to good 'noise' laugh.gif

It would be interesting to know if these mods would also improve your TA2022.. time to plug in your soldering iron, eh? laugh.gif

QUOTE(March05 @ Aug 16 2008, 06:17 PM)
Wah, now anak can ajar the ayah, bagus nya! notworthy.gif

Do you guyz think any of your cap mods will work on my TA2022 board....feeling so left out lah.
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:32 PM

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Y.C.,
Don't believe what you read 'there'.. it's to confuse the enemies laugh.gif
BTW, He just completed his Diploma in Mechanical Engineering. Guess he chose to be just like his dad wink.gif

QUOTE(Y.C. @ Aug 16 2008, 06:24 PM)
I'm a lil lost here. How old is your son if you're only 36?  shocking.gif
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:36 PM

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xtorm,
Initially I was plannng to take the SMPS path, but after reading Red Wine's philosophy's on why they're using SLA in their design, it make more sense to me! tongue.gif
I also believe in minimalization, therefore LESS is MORE brows.gif

However I have NOT finalized the power supply part yet. I have to complete the burn in session first.
Then the audition would be more meaningful.

I have 2 SMPS on standby.. wink.gif

QUOTE(xtorm @ Aug 16 2008, 06:25 PM)
the chip is good up till 16v

mostly ppl are setting it up at 13.8v

btw jazzy, battery is better? i tot i read smps is the best, nvrmind try it out and let us know!!

this board is fun, im tesing out half filter theory at the output now
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:41 PM

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but using the battery i think you have to design somehow the recharging mechanism so it will be ease every time need to recharge the battery......and more convenient just like wed wine audio does.....and much more boutique looked alike.... smile.gif

a clean power for you amp....vroooooommmmm ph34r.gif


12V how long can last ??????

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post Aug 16 2008, 06:50 PM

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yes, you definitely need a charger, either built-in with the assembly or separate external one. Like Red Wine's unit, a rocker switch will put the amp either in 'battery power mode' or 'battery charging mode'. RED LED: Battery charging; GREEN LED Battery fully charged.
It is not that 'hard' to include such a circuit.. only added 'cost'. tongue.gif

I chose my spare DIN55 battery as I already have the charger for it wink.gif

Red Wine's unit one should last between 4-6 hours of continuous usage.
Then again it all depends on the discharge current against the battery capacity. The bigger, the longer! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Aug 16 2008, 06:41 PM)
but using the battery i think you have to design somehow the recharging mechanism so it will be ease every time need to recharge the battery......and more convenient just like wed wine audio does.....and much more boutique looked alike.... smile.gif

a clean power for you amp....vroooooommmmm ph34r.gif
12V how long can last ??????
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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Aug 16 2008, 06:41 PM)
but using the battery i think you have to design somehow the recharging mechanism so it will be ease every time need to recharge the battery.....
Isn't it a simple thing to have two batteries, and swap them over when the one in use starts to run down? To me, adding a charger into the system runs the risk of adding noise into the power supply.....back to square one.
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Bro March,
Back to KISS ya! thumbup.gif

The charger will NOT be energized when the battery is used during normal operation.. well that is what the Red Wine's unit was designed.
In fact the charger is an external unit, to be plugged in when you're done listening until the next session. It takes roughly an hour to fully charge that SLA...

BTW, how much would an SLA costs?

QUOTE(March05 @ Aug 16 2008, 06:50 PM)
Isn't it a simple thing to have two batteries, and swap them over when the one in use starts to run down? To me, adding a charger into the system runs the risk of adding noise into the power supply.....back to square one.
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post Aug 16 2008, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(March05 @ Aug 16 2008, 07:50 PM)
Isn't it a simple thing to have two batteries, and swap them over when the one in use starts to run down? To me, adding a charger into the system runs the risk of adding noise into the power supply.....back to square one.
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separate also can but you need to build another casing...you can't just connect it using a wire between a battery and the amp...that's just look so awful and you have made a fashion crime.....LOL....

i think the charger circuit is just simple as it can be....and if noise is an issue here just wraps it with foil....btw i heard make sure wire between power and signal is isolated firmly so they will be no interferences IMHO...

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This is one of a simple SLA charging circuit.. brows.gif




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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Aug 16 2008, 08:01 PM)
This is one of a simple SLA charging circuit..  brows.gif
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can you make one in 15 minutes?

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Definitely not! tongue.gif
If I have all the parts.. 17 minutes, maybe! brows.gif

This one may... biggrin.gif



QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Aug 16 2008, 07:02 PM)
can you make one in 15 minutes?
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Aug 16 2008, 06:56 PM)

The charger will NOT be energized when the battery is used during normal operation.. well that is what the Red Wine's unit was designed.
There is something about that logic of having an integrated charger that troubles me....if the battery runs down while you are in the midst of a nice jazz session, then you'll have to stop for an hour to recharge it, by which time the magic is broken..... whereas a spare battery is only a simple few seconds swap, and you continue merrily.

SLAs are ubiquitous items nowadays....the 7 amphours ones are going for around RM40 (local made?) - RM90 (good Japanese branded) in JP. DIN55 for your car....the maintenance free type, maybe RM400...(argggg--toothache). laugh.gif

gabanyayaya, I'm sure you can make a beautiful casing which can be opened easily, right? Even an undressed SLA can be hidden somewhere with just a gold plated (if you really want fashionable ones) cable leading to it.
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post Aug 16 2008, 07:23 PM

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Bro March,
I acknowledged your concerns.. that is why I opted NOT to take that path. wink.gif
4-6 hours is kinda long listening time to me.. Do you spend that long listening ya? tongue.gif
Then a second backup battery is a good option! While the second battery is good for another 4-6 hours, within the hour the 1st battery will be fully charged.. ready to replace the second one... sounds good eh? wink.gif

Rm40? RM80 for 2..thats not bad..

I had my DIN55 for 1/2 that said price.. now NOT doing anything, might as well use it for this purpose! No additioal cost incurred! biggrin.gif
Did I mentioned that I also have a charger for that? laugh.gif




QUOTE(March05 @ Aug 16 2008, 07:14 PM)
There is something about that logic of having an integrated charger that troubles me....if the battery runs down while you are in the midst of a nice jazz session, then you'll have to stop for an hour to recharge it, by which time the magic is broken..... whereas a spare battery is only a simple few seconds swap, and you continue merrily.

SLAs are ubiquitous items nowadays....the 7 amphours ones are going for around RM40 (local made?) - RM90 (good Japanese branded) in JP. DIN55 for your car....the maintenance free type, maybe RM400...(argggg--toothache).  laugh.gif

gabanyayaya, I'm sure you can make a beautiful casing which can be opened easily, right? Even an undressed SLA can be hidden somewhere with just a gold plated (if you really want fashionable ones) cable leading to it.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Aug 16 2008, 08:09 PM)
Definitely not! tongue.gif
If I have all the parts.. 17 minutes, maybe!  brows.gif

This one may...  biggrin.gif
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hehehe...that's jazzy....


QUOTE(March05 @ Aug 16 2008, 08:14 PM)
There is something about that logic of having an integrated charger that troubles me....if the battery runs down while you are in the midst of a nice jazz session, then you'll have to stop for an hour to recharge it, by which time the magic is broken..... whereas a spare battery is only a simple few seconds swap, and you continue merrily.

SLAs are ubiquitous items nowadays....the 7 amphours ones are going for around RM40 (local made?) - RM90 (good Japanese branded) in JP. DIN55 for your car....the maintenance free type, maybe RM400...(argggg--toothache).  laugh.gif

gabanyayaya, I'm sure you can make a beautiful casing which can be opened easily, right? Even an undressed SLA can be hidden somewhere with just a gold plated (if you really want fashionable ones) cable leading to it.
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yes....can also but we have a philosophy here....KIS and my philosophy is Keep it Cheap - KIP.... smile.gif cheap cheap cheap...

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post Aug 16 2008, 07:24 PM

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with 7A/hr battery I believe under normal listening condition this amp can last >15 hours. smile.gif

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