Y.C.

wow man, all i can say.....really nice review, as for input cap, yes, with my mundurf the difference is wat i consider day and night , goto meet you up for a listening section, try to compare mine with mundurf and yours with vishay and get my stuff as well, but this weekend ill be busy with work again, goto finish up bluescope project...mayb sunday.

wah jazzy, where are you goinglah....without you this thread will drop to 2nd page...hahahha gona try my best to let it stay in the 1st.

im getting abit better now after some sweating ;P gona go burn some hours in my t-amp later...hahaaha

ongbs,,,why i wana go jp see how it goes, if im going any time soon ill let you know.

yes vicent we are really serious about our t-amp, abit too seriuos for some...hahahaha

Xtorm,

Thanks for the compliment. I suppose my review (in 4 parts) is a little too long; it was written for the purpose of sharing with all as many a times, most of us tend to pre-judge a product without really hearing it and in this case the great-sounding T-amp. With it, I hope any misconception of it could be put to rest.

Hey, I thought you need those Vishays fast to tweak your T-amp and post comments on improvements to its sonics so we could follow suit, no?

I also suppose I am the guilty chap who took the T-amp a bit too seriously, ya? Hahaha ……

hahaha...

im too very serious, mundurf cap? hahaha but i got those to spare so why not right? and t-amp is so cheap, any slightly better parts will cost more then it , i think Y.C. review is good enough for all of us, better then a exposure amp that cost rm4k?? so now, should i sale it at 3k to make ppl believe this litte thing is really that good!! haaha, thing arent always cheap = no good in this case right Y.C.

as for the cap, yea im eager in getting it actually..but keep getting sick this 2 weeks, and being really serious today, i wonder if tomorrow ill get all well and go to work..

mayb we meet up on wednesday then...probably after work? as im actually not allow to leave office as i please during normal days, tht day was kinda speacial, cos my boss is not in , well anyday tht my boss isnt in i can have tea break, but not leaving the office area

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Added on September 8, 2008, 8:47 pmapa mau?

This post has been edited by xtorm: Sep 8 2008, 08:47 PM

its not that cheap are always not good, its more like expensive arent always THAT good

you kasi "rasuah" a bit then I let you know

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Added on September 8, 2008, 10:17 pmGood sentence!
Sometime even knew it is good but $$$ really make us think many "twice"

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 8 2008, 10:19 PM

Well said, Ijan.

Xtorm,

Before Exposure Co Ltd demand for a sound-off between my T-amp against their 2010S integrated amp, I’d better qualify myself properly. What I’ve written in Part 4 of my review was "…this is really unbelievable as the resolving ability of my T-amp has now surpassed that of Exposure 2010S integrated amp, a Stereophile Class A component currently being retailed at RM4,300."

Exposure 2010S integrated amp’s power output is 75W into 8Ω / 150W into 4Ω whereas our T-amps are only capable of outputting 7W into 8Ω / 10W into 4Ω (or at best 15W into 4Ω). Exposure amps are very suited for rock music and will drive many average sensitivity loudspeakers to head-banging levels whereas the same could not be said of our T-amps unless loudspeakers used are high sensitivity ones, say 92dB/1W and above.

I’m not into rock music and rarely played my system loud. I had used an Exposure amp before to play all other genres of music at moderate level and here’s where I opined that the T-amp (at least my very own version with a step attenuator) beats the Exposure amp at the resolving ability department. A lot of other commercial amps tend to sound coarse (or noisy) when complex music like Mahler’s Symphonies or multiple voices are played and that’s reason why certain audiophiles only go for closed-mic single vocalist or simple solo acoustic pieces. Remember some who only listened to CaiQin and other 'slow-slow' type of music? Owners of T-amps need not restrict their music to such unless of course they themselves so choose to.




This post has been edited by Y.C.: Sep 9 2008, 12:00 AM

hahah

eh this time you didnt think and get 4...LOL

does it mean there's alot of prat ?

Oh yes, if you read my 4 parts review, you'll notice that I mentioned in Post 1011, "...timing and rhythmic swings are thought to be great". I have also written "Its well-timed rhythmic swing and slightly forward sounding midrange certainly makes listening to music through it addictive enough for me in not wanting to stop listening to more......." in Post 1017.

I'd say the T-amp does PRaT extremely well and music will make more sense to us.

haha we posted at the same time, so didnt saw your coming at all till now
well yes, still pretty much in different league in terms of power, but heck, ppl pay lots of money for small wattage amp

yes even with complicated music, it sounded simple, and when we 1st chat i though you would love the rhythm of this amp but im not sure if im qualified to say so, haha caused i never heard a naim before, im not sure how good is consider a good rhythm amp

eh what is prat actaully....

oh yes i love PRaT

Pace Rhythm and Timing

hope this thing can kill the naim temptation for awhile

This post has been edited by blah1134: Sep 9 2008, 10:54 AM

PRaT is short for Pace, Rhythm and Timing.

No doubt Naim gears are always associated with PRaT, some people actually shun them as they also tend to sound harsh too, myself included.

Even for slow songs, when PRaT is done right, we'll be able to follow the piece of music better than with those equipment which fail terribly in this area. Here you are, an article by Martin Colloms on Pace, Rhythm and Dynamics: PRaD which will explain PRaT a little clearer.



This post has been edited by Y.C.: Sep 9 2008, 11:01 AM

Hi there fellow T-Amp-ers!

Looks like I didn't miss much here
No.. I am NOT back yet. Just that I have an internet access where I am at this point of time
Can't stay away from the thread for too long huh..

So far, nothing 'new' on our T-Amp scene eh..?

Gabanyayaya, is he buying one since he's joining the club? He has been quiet these past 2-3 days...

The last thing I did before going away to my second board is to install a 10,000uF capacitor across the power supply input. Probably need to 'burn in' that cap too before any sonic improvements/or otherwise is heard!

I have checked the voltage/current drop when playing (really)LOUD.. none detected by my DMM..

Still on power supply, during switch ON the voltage peaks to 19VDC for few milliseconds! Don't know if this would be harmful to my little marvel in the long run. Also during this time, the DC volts across the speaker terminals maxed out about 2.4V, just for a very brief moment. This explains the speaker 'pop'/thump sounds..This worries me more..

Speakers wise, I momentarily disconnect them before switching ON. Have not come up with anything with the power supply surge...

Anything on your side guys? Y.C./ongbs/xtorm? Sorry if I missed out anyone else but it's only the FOUR of us?

what about going capless for the input ?

risky one

This post has been edited by blah1134: Sep 9 2008, 01:37 PM

It's a big NO NO!
The input of this T-Amp is DC biased, hence the presence of the input caps!
However, there are other Class D designs that do away with such a limitation..
On the bright side, you can use the opportunity to 'finetune' the sonic character of this T-Amp, similar to tube or opamp rollings..
This is what makes it interesting in the quests to get the right kind of tune in your system..

Wow bro...how you captured that "a few ms" 19V surge?

PEAK HOLD feature of the DMM

I believe it is due to power supply, try without the T-amp, is it still the same?

Dunno yet.. will do that when I get back!

Terribly quiet eh this thread

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Sep 9 2008, 10:45 PM

What to do?
You are away and enjoying your "special moment"

Some more xtorm "burnt" by his t-amp, haven't recover yet I believe